User talk:3DRivers

Hello, 3DRivers! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking if shown; this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Dirk Beetstra T C 10:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images • create your first article Intuitive guide to Wikipedia • Article Creation Wizard Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons List of policies • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism • List of guidelines Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General • Spam • Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Your image additions

Hi! Thank you for your images, they are beautiful. However, I have reverted a couple of your edits, where I think that the images were totally superfluous to the ones that were already there, and/or they were misplaced. However, as I do like your efforts, may I ask you to have a look at the following pages:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Image Request - this part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry and Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals deals with cases where there is a need for specific images. You might want to put your name into the list at the bottom.
• Category:Chemistry pages needing pictures - contains a lot of pages in need of a picture, and some sub-categories which might be interesting for you:
  • Category:Chemical pages needing a structure drawing - this category contains pages which do not have an image in their {{chembox}}.
  • Category:Drug pages needing a structure drawing - this category contains pages which do not have an image in their {{drugbox}}.

I hope to see you around on these pages, and you might even help others, as it helps our work in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals/Chembox validation (which covers both the chembox ánd the drugbox, by the way). Thanks!! --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I will check my images to see how I can help, may be I have some requested pictures! 3DRivers (talk) 11:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot to make the categories show above, I have repaired that. Thanks already!! --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 11:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Echoing Beetstra's general concerns, I wanted to point out two specific major problems with all the ones I spot-checked...they are often more confusing and do not add much to the article. Not because 3D is bad, but due to some fixable issues with these particular model images. First, that they can be confusing (in a way that interferes with their use) to many lay readers (and even to some scientific ones!--this was brought to my attention by a chem-major college student) because they are not oriented the same way as the other diagrams. It takes the mind extra time to see "how does this 3D structure correspond to the others of this same molecule?", which is bad if you're trying to use these images to add or highlight features/info for "the same molecule". Also, the perspective from which you took the picture hides some major and important 3D features, which really defeats the purpose of a 3D diagram. For example, File:Camphor_molecule_structure.jpg can't see that there even is a bridged-bicyclic! DMacks (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, DMAcks, for your comment, I will check out what I can do about the problem. I will try to get shots of 3D molecule structures taken from another angle, so it will be easier to "read" it. However, unfortunately I can not guarantee that none of the important moments won't be hided because of the laws of perspective. 3DRivers (talk) 10:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

In some cases double-clicking at the image and looking at the original, bigger size image can help the readers.3DRivers (talk) 11:06, 25 June 2010 (UTC)