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The Signpost: 17 June 2015

bahmani sultanate

hey i have added Bahmani Sultanate on List of Turkic dynasties and countries and find an reference that the sultante is Turkish sultanate , but the founder is either Afghans or Turkic it is okey?Joohnny braavoo1 (talk) 18:08, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

@Joohnny braavoo1: If there is a reference that calls the Sultanate Turkic, then yes, it is fine to add it. I notice that you did not provide a citation for the entry. However, the article on the Sultanate does have a citation for it being Turkic, so you can copy-paste that over to the list entry.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 22:24, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

thanks:)Joohnny braavoo1 (talk) 21:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 June 2015

Shut Up and Dance (Walk the Moon song)

Can you find any reliable sources for other genres if you insist. 115.164.87.92 (talk) 23:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Recent Edits on the Yuan Dynasty page

Hi! You recently undid my edit to the map on the Yuan Dynasty page, asserting that "many parts of the empire were vassals, not just Goryeo". I am currently unaware of any other states that shared a vassal relationship with the Yuan. Would you mind citing some examples supporting what you claim, with sources preferably? Thanks! BlackRanger88 (talk) 05:00, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

@BlackRanger88: Goryeo was a vassal before the formation of the Yuan. The relationship that developed between Khubilai and Goryeo, due to continuing conflicts, was something that many other parts of the empire had done. The Oirats, Onggut, and Uyghurs all formed marriage alliances with Genghis, and I know that there were others. During the Yuan era, at least Vietnam at one point, and probably Burma, were vassals to that dynasty. This is supported by book references in Political divisions of the Mongol Empire, though I cannot access those sources. See also the chronology on page 6 of Marco Polo's The Travels. The point is, throughout the Mongol Empire and the four offshoot appanages, different subject states had differing degrees of autonomy and leniency granted. Part of the definition of an empire is that it is a conglomeration of powers under a central authority.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:00, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate your response, but I do have a few concerns regarding some of the points you made.
"Goryeo was a vassal before the formation of the Yuan." Well actually, the term "vassal state", isn't an accurate description of Goryeo's pre-Mongol status, since its political sovereignty wasn't compromised. See the Imperial Chinese tributary system page to get a better idea.
"The Oirats, Onggut, and Uyghurs all formed marriage alliances with Genghis, and I know that there were others." Goryeo's situation is incomparable to that of the Oirats and the Onggut, since both the Oirats and the Onggut were Mongol tribes that were unified and directly ruled by Genghis Khan. Additionally, the Uyghurs, unlike Goryeo, faced a similar situation of direct rule. Goryeo on the other hand existed as a separate entity, although clearly subordinate to the Mongol empire.
"During the Yuan era, at least Vietnam at one point, and probably Burma, were vassals to that dynasty." If that's the case, why aren't Vietnam and Burma included as part of the empire in the map on the Yuan Dynasty page just as Goryeo is? BlackRanger88 (talk) 20:09, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
I agree that Goryeo was incomparable in how it was subjugated to the Mongols/Yuan, but I am sure there were other kingdoms and polities that also had unique aspects. The consensus for the maps has been that Goryeo shouldn't be shaded differently. As for your last point, I think that's a very good question - Vietnam at least should be included.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:28, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Omen (Antestor album)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Omen (Antestor album) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Retrohead -- Retrohead (talk) 22:01, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey, thanks!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Hey buddy, you can start addressing my notes. I wanted the review to be more interactive, similar to the FA process. I will edit the prose again make new suggestions while you do the current ones.--Retrohead (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Omen (Antestor album)

The article Omen (Antestor album) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Omen (Antestor album) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Retrohead -- Retrohead (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Created article

A Hill to Die Upon has now been created, you have a great day.The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:03, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try to work on it some more the next few days. :)--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 00:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Your most assuredly welcome, I try and help out any cause that I know has notability.The Cross Bearer (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
I am so sorry.The Cross Bearer (talk) 08:35, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, no problem. I plan to work on it today.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 14:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I have to assess my value to this project, for the Misty Edwards debacle, illuminates to me others' don't respect CCM sources, nor the policies, GNG or MUSICBIO. She has received coverage and chartings, where it means nothing, due to her request not to have an article about her on this encyclopedia. You are a kind man, keep up the good work, fellow brother in Christ.The Cross Bearer (talk) 01:32, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
The key is to stay calm and be patient. You have amply demonstrated the coverage of Misty Edwards, and I believe that once some other editors review the sources and compare the proposed new article to the objections in the past deletion discussions, the article will be created.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:43, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I've just requested, her album article Little Bird, be removed via deleted-by-author, since I was the author, and she did not want to be covered. I understand, I lost this article on Misty Edwards for good, and I am now moving onward, with other adventures.The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
SmokeyJoe helped me to better understand, why the album article would not get deleted, even though, I was the only author. Just trying to see where the waters are, with regards to this encyclopedia.The Cross Bearer (talk) 04:58, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

A Hill to Die Upon albums

I don't know how you are going to find enough sources to warrant an album or multiple album pages, however, I wish you the best.The Cross Bearer (talk) 04:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

With the second two, I'll manage :).--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 05:31, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I can't wait to see the results of your hard work, loved reading the Omen article.The Cross Bearer (talk) 05:34, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

George Moss

Does this article, go far enough to substantiate his notability?The Cross Bearer (talk) 08:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

If there are some other sources that cover him besides Cross Rhythms, yes, there is indeed enough.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:18, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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Misty Edwards

  • I just want to thank you, for being a mediator of sorts, in my dispute, even though, it is not the outcome, I was hoping for, in the least.The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Here is my comment: "I will give her what she wants, and quit working on anything pertaining to her or her music, for that matter. She wants her anonymity and privacy, I'll relent to her request, and she is now totally off of my radar screen, for the foreseeable future. God Bless, Misty Edwards, and have a good life!"The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Discography

You may want to address, Misty Edwards discography, when you get the chance.The Cross Bearer (talk) 10:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Now, I am all done with her.The Cross Bearer (talk) 10:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
    • I started these pages, for it would be a massive disservice to God Almighty and Jesus Christ, not to do so, and, a minor disservice to this encyclopedia, not to contain this information, where I researched it for notability purposes. I put God/Christ first and foremost, not Misty Edwards.The Cross Bearer (talk) 10:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Gift

I gave you a gift, in the A Hill to Die Upon did you know, for I used it as one of my co-nominations, allowing you to save your time, with a QPQ.The Cross Bearer (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

A Hill to Die Upon has been nominated for Did You Know

hi

thanks for your last editing on the side list of Turkic dynasties and Countries. Mehmeett21

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Could you say something on this edit war?

Hi, Could you say something on this edit war? user Rajmaan is claiming Oirats are not Mongols and the "Mongol" identity was defined by the Qing. No one supported him, but he keeps posting his claims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Oirats#Edit_warring

Your GA nomination of Omen (Antestor album)

The article Omen (Antestor album) you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Omen (Antestor album) for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Retrohead -- Retrohead (talk) 19:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

George Moss update

I just want to bring to your attention, George Moss, his article is now started.The Cross Bearer (talk) 03:28, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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Misty Edwards

The draft for her article is now up, Misty Edwards, for you to look about her notability.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:47, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

If you want to move the article to mainspace, please, with all do sincerity, go ahead.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:47, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I added in an interview from Worship Leader and Relevant Magazine, while putting in five Behind the Song features from New Release Today. @Walter Görlitz and Geo Swan: have informed me she doesn't get a choice in the matter.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:47, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Too many reviews and references to claim she's not notable and I can't see OTRs acquiescing to its removal. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:28, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Viking metal

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Viking metal you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Jacedc (talk) 18:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Hey!

I, too, am the oldest of four children, in a family of six, and I'm also homeschooled. This is weird haha. Jacedc (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Haha, that's great!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 20:36, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai

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Your GA nomination of Omen (Antestor album)

The article Omen (Antestor album) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Omen (Antestor album) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Retrohead -- Retrohead (talk) 09:01, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Retrohead!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:05, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of A Hill to Die Upon

Hello! Your submission of A Hill to Die Upon at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Note concerning your GA nomination of Viking metal

Hi! I've finished the GA review of Viking metal, I'm just awaiting your input on the last three comments (at the bottom of the page), as well as a few other corrections that I haven't done myself yet. Just thought I'd let you know. User:Jacedc (talk) 19:29, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll get on this!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 July 2015

2015 GA Cup - Round 2

WikiProject Good Articles's 2015 GA Cup - Round 2

Greetings, GA Cup competitors!

Wednesday saw the end of Round 1. The Rambling Man, who was eliminated during the first round in our last competition, earned an impressive 513 points, reviewed twice as many articles (26) as any other competitor. It was a tight race for second for first-time competitors BenLinus1214 and Tomandjerry211, who finished second and third with 243 and 224 points, respectively. Close behind was Wugapodes, who earned 205 points.

The change in our points system had an impact on scoring. It was easier to earn higher points, although the key to success didn't change from last time, which was choosing articles with older nomination dates. For example, most of the articles The Rambling Man reviewed were worth 18 points in the nomination date category, and he benefited from it. BenLinus1214 reviewed the longest article, A Simple Plan (at 26,536 characters, or 4,477 words), the 1994 film starring Bill Paxton, Billy Bob Thornton, and Bridget Fonda and directed by Sam Raimi, and earned all possible 5 points in that category.

After feedback from our participants, the judges slightly changed the rule about review length this time out. Shorter reviews are now allowed, as long as reviewers give nominators an opportunity to address their feedback. Shorter reviews are subject to the judges' discretion; the judges will continue their diligence as we continue the competition.

Despite having fewer contestants at the beginning of Round 1 than last time, 132 articles were reviewed, far more than the 117 articles that were reviewed in Round 1 of the inaugural GA Cup. All of us involved should be very proud of what we've accomplished thus far. The judges are certain that Round 2 will be just as successful.

16 contestants have moved onto Round 2 and have been randomly placed in 4 groups of 4, with the top 2 in each pool progressing to Round 3, as well as the top participant ("9th place") of all remaining competitors. Round 2 has already begun and will end on August 29 at 23:59:59 UTC. Information about Round 2 and the pools can be found here.

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DYK for A Hill to Die Upon

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Checking GA Cup submissions

You didn't check one of my submissions correctly. Please correct the mistake. Thanks, Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 16:39, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 17:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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Re: High importance Christian artists

Alright, so help me out here. Aren't the awards for albums in the Christian fields for both Grammy Award and Latin Grammy Awards given to the artists? I know the Latin Grammy Awards hand out the award for Best Christian Album in both languages to the artist according to the manual, so I assumed the regular Grammy Awards did the same. Unless you meant special awards like the Lifetime Achievement Awards, then I apologize. Erick (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm, actually, I'm not sure what the importance scale is specifying here. I thought that there were artist categories within genres, like in the Dove Awards, but it seems that there aren't, just songs/performances, albums, and recordings. So I don't know what the importance scale is referring to when it says "Grammy win." I think a Grammy win within a Christian category is too broad. I'll bring this up on the WikiProject talkpage.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 22:40, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Alright then, I apologize for any inconvenience. At the vert least, I'm glad to have help with the Latin Grammy Award-winning Christian albums. Take care! Erick (talk) 23:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Viking metal

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Thank you!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

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WikiProject Good Articles's 2015 GA Cup - Round 3

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A cupcake for you!

Hi 3family6! Just spreading the good word. I'm sorry about the mishap that happened on WP Christianity a few months ago. Erick (talk) 02:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the cupcake, Magiciandude. I don't recall which mishap you are referring to, though I will enjoy the treat you left me here.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 17:49, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Kaga Rebellion

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DYK for Kaga ikki

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Your GA nomination of Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai

The article Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Khanate General -- Khanate General (talk) 02:01, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

The Detective Barnstar

The Detective Barnstar
For your efforts in researching matters pertaining to these worship artists from ICC Records, where they were found in the archives at The Wayback Machine.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:07, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:09, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai

Gatoclass (talk) 15:17, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, just FYI, hooks are not moved to the Special Occasion holding area until they are approved. Best, Yoninah (talk) 02:13, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Thanks for the FYI.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 05:18, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Track listing headings

You may be interested in giving your opinion on which track listing format is best to use for Wikipedia here. ilovechristianmusic (Tell Me Something!) 13:33, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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