User talk:84.46.52.2

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Happy editing! Herostratus (talk) 10:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello 84.46.52.2. I look forward to your contributions. You're obviously intelligent and good at this, so I hope you stick around. I have, and I've found it to be a great hobby. So... As I said elsewhere, in no way shape or form to I wish to disparage your talent, dedication, and good faith.

For most all contributions, the edits of a new anon editor ("anon" means you don't have an account and just your IP address shows for your signature) are valued and welcomed as much as the edits of a long-time editor. However, in a few cases, it's not necessarily so.

You have to understand that since anyone can edit, we get all sorts of people, as you might imagine. So I mean, let me give you an instance. When I see 1) a subtle numeric change -- e.g. changing a birthdate by one day -- by 2) an anon editor 3) with his first edit, with 4) no edit summary or explanation and 5) no ref added, I revert it on sight. I do this because experience has taught me that this is most often vandalism. The same edit by an editor of many years standing, I will treat differently. Sorry, but that's how it works.

So my usual recommendation is that people get an account, and maybe not jump into contentious areas right off. There're lots of ways to get a little editing experience under your belt first, and if you like I can guide you to some. My personal experience is that when new anon editors jump into contentious areas right off, it is often enough turns into a complicated situstion that it's not something where I'm willing to not consider all the factors of all the involved editors.

Anyway, all this is why I said that I am leery of accepting your word regarding off-line refs for contentious material in a WP:BLP (I definitely recommend that you read that page, or at least skim it, if you haven't yet.) I just don't have a handle on who you are, yet. Sorry, but it is what it is. Maybe you're Michael Quatro of the Lord Mayor of London or whomever, and if so sorry if I've insulted you. But I'm still sticking to my guns.

Anyway, again, welcome, and happy wiki'ing! If you have any questions about anything, message me if you wish. I am looking forward to working with you as an esteemed colleague. Herostratus (talk) 10:37, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Herostratus: Late reply, because I just saw that a talk page link on Talk:Emma Blackery was blue instead of red. Editing without login is no serious problem with many logged-in users, and of course most folks try to defend (not only) BLPs not limited to Suzi Quatro as good as they can against idiots armed with a mobile device and the latest + greatest social media rumours.
OTOH serious attackers (e.g., untrue or spammy paid editing) will use accounts. Be..anyone might be forced to log-in for a day or so to complete their CC-BY mission, and that's a successor of that guy permanently killed by password randomisation 150 months ago.
And yes, if nobody else does it I'll add the silly "punk Penthouse fodder" again (as IP) based on what appears to be the talk page rough consensus, but there's NORUSH.

–84.46.52.11 (talk) 10:11, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmnh, OK. I mean based on your reference to a 2006 edit and other indicators, I have to assume that you're an experienced editor. If so, it's annoying that you're using alternate accounts, and you're actually not supposed to do that unless you declare it, so... blurf.

I don't know who Emma Blackery is, I don't recall editing that page. Also not clear where Yugoslavia fits in here.

Whatever re Suzi Quatro. I mean I think it's demonstrated that she probably wasn't a "centerfold". If you want to put in other material that is true, ref'd, and worthwhile, that's fine. Herostratus (talk) 13:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In one case where it wasn't obvious (=similar IPs) and potentially misleading I added an info, it's just about one of the pages I care about (meanwhile nominated for GA) in addition to Suzi Quatro: Sadly the Women in History project confirmed class=C killing my class=B suggestion.
@Herostratus: I've no idea why you mentioned Yugoslavia, if it's important please explain. Contributors are entitled to edit without logging in if that's not intended to confuse other users, and at the moment everybody can check that Be..anyone didn't use their account for almost three years on any WikiMedia project. Admittedly checking this will be harder (for folks without CU rights) if they'll revive their account for a media upload session on commons in about 5..9 days.
IOW, how I interpret my there's no ex in ex-wikiholic observation is something I have to figure out for myself, so far I interpreted it as WP:WNCAA is not really humourous.

–84.46.53.245 (talk) 06:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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