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New account?

Hi Acroterion, could you please confirm, that c:User:Acrozillaterion has been created by you? Cheers, Achim (talk) 13:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

No, I didn't. I've blanked the impersonation on their userpage. Acroterion (talk) 14:46, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Acrozillaterion fine name! [Wistfully:] Probably cute user! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 14:57, 4 October 2020 (UTC).
Bishzillapodonen? Acroterion (talk) 15:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Very long! [Bishzilla starts to count the letters, gets confused.] Can only count to hrair, regret! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 15:04, 4 October 2020 (UTC).
Good thing Bishzilla isn't German: Riesiges tokyo-vernichtendes Monster. The Swedish has a nice ring to it: Jätte tokyo-krossande monster. Acroterion (talk) 15:11, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

HI!

Do you remember me? Will you do me a favor please? GreenFrogsGoRibbit (talk) 17:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Sure, what do you need? Acroterion (talk) 18:13, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
May I tag you in a rfc so you can close it on the side that you personally think is superior? GreenFrogsGoRibbit (talk) 21:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Epstein? I have an opinion on the subject - that infoboxes are misused to make arguments they shouldn't make, and in my view it's inappropriate to add parentheticals in that manner, so I won't close it. I will comment, though. Acroterion (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Um no, not that. I wasn't gonna ask you about that. So no need to get involved cause I was gonna ask you about something else. GreenFrogsGoRibbit (talk) 00:56, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
That's fine, what else needs a close? Acroterion (talk) 01:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Uh, I forgot. I'll come back to you when I remember. Thank you so much for your quick responses! GreenFrogsGoRibbit (talk) 01:06, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

sorry

sorry, I was in a hurry when I typed "gg" and "hh" as summaries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.46.246 (talk) 23:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

yo why yo delete my page

i didnt do anything to you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilsupremex (talk • contribs) 16:20, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a place for you to post every possible link to your music, or for you to promote yourself. Acroterion (talk) 17:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Please revoke talk page access....again

[1]. Thank you. 2601:188:180:B8E0:D82B:F40A:B8D3:A6BD (talk) 11:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the heads-up. Acroterion (talk) 12:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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My changes on Hunter Biden are Getting Reverted by Someone for No Reason

Some person keeps reverting my edits. I was trying to make details about the email scandal thing sound unbiased, and remove the word "debunked", since it hasn't been, but they keep changing it. Captainjackster (talk) 23:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Stop, or be blocked. Now. Acroterion (talk) 23:41, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

But the information people are adding is faulty. There is an ongoing investigation, it hasn't been debunked. I tried to add that, but people are reverting it.Captainjackster (talk) 23:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

You may revert once. You've reverted twice, a bright-line violation. You may not edit war even if you are convinced you're right. Use the talkpage, and reconsider your approach to editing controversial subjects. Read the talkpage discussions first. Acroterion (talk) 23:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

If you read the newest thread on that talk page, you'll find that Biden supporters are making opinion-based statements that the facts are debunked. Wikipedia says on the Biden campaign page that the matter is being officially investigated, and it even provides a link. But you guysd are telling me I should wait and discuss it first while other people are doing the exact same thing and getting away with it. That seems pretty lame and biased. You're letting a page on your site get slanted to one viewpoint instead of keeping it objective. Captainjackster (talk) 23:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not a participant in those discussions. Make your argument on the talkpage and wait for consensus from other editors, bearing in mind that you've already violated the arbitration restrictions on the article by reverting twice. Acroterion (talk) 00:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
The editor persists in edit warring. soibangla (talk) 00:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
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Question about revision deletion

Hi, I found your name in the list of administrators willing to handle revision deletion requests. I have little familiarity with this process, but I am wondering if this edit would qualify. Thanks. Marquardtika (talk) 14:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, indeed it does, must be an election year. Thanks for the note, and I'm going to look at the IP's activities in general. Acroterion (talk)
Thank you for handling this. Marquardtika (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Revdel request

Hi there! I'd like to request a revision deletion at Jaime Harrison of this edit. I believe it qualifies under criterion 2 at WP:CRD, as it qualifies as Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material and is a violation of BLP. Thanks! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:21, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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Why deleting my page?

Ecobisa isn't spam pls. Because it doesn't has a website doesn't mean it's a spam. Pls bring my article back pls. Mrr ecobisa (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

It's spam. Don't use Wikipedia for advertising. Acroterion (talk) 00:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Unexplained Revert on 2020 U.S House elections

Hi, can you please explain your rollback of updates to the D.C. and American Samoa delegate races? Both races have been called, are sourced, and not controversial. Thanks. Carter (talk) 02:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Probably a misclick on a browser jump. Sorry about that. Acroterion (talk) 04:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I was worried I'd missed a policy consensus or something ... I'll go ahead and put the info back in. Carter (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
With all the folks watching this stuff I'm sure somebody would have told you. I looked at undoing my revert, but thought it best to avoid screwing it up. If there was one thing I'd change on the editing interface, it would move the rollback button away from the others. Acroterion (talk) 17:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC).

Hello Acroterion

you have reverted my edits, did I do something wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.77.115.26 (talk) 01:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Stop redirecting sandboxes - you've been warned about this before, and stop editing the pages of blocked users. And pick a sandbox and stick to it. Acroterion (talk) 01:59, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
but i was just originally placing the ow which is allowed even tho the edit filter dissallows this cus it is on my page, I only started playing with it to test the edit filters when they were preventing things, is there a different place I can test the edit filters to see the messages it gives? and i think the rule is no redirecting from sandbox or else people might edit the page redirected to thinking it is a sandbox but surely there is no problem redirecting from one sandbox to another even if no-one notices they will still edit a sandbox no? and the bot automatically cleans it anyway, but I will just play with X1 for now. 174.77.115.26 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
You don't need to work with more than one sandbox, and once you've figured out redirects you don't need to do that again. And blanking with edit summaries like "lol" is a very poor look. Acroterion (talk) 02:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
k, well I just put the lol cus it the filter says it is unconstructive even tho it isn't since sandboxes are suposed to be played in but I will stop that, and I use many sandboxes cus it is fun to combine them and place templates inside of other templates 174.77.115.26 (talk) 02:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Endless fun with many templates is really not productive, and messing with edit filters to see what they do is even less helpful. Why not do some real editing? You've done that before. Acroterion (talk) 02:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Well it is easier when I have help, and I don't have help right now and this is safer, cant mess anything important up, but I may have help tomorrow and i will try to be productive. 174.77.115.26 (talk) 02:39, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Please be nice

Otherwise nasty people look like partisan hacks. I like Biden but some hate him and wouldn't mind sneaky vandalism.

But I did my duty to bring it up and if nobody wants to fight vandalism, I won't get worked up but rather laugh at how funny or amateur Wikipedia can be. In other words, I withdraw from the conflict. Vanny089 (talk) 03:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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I think you forgot to revdel this. An exact duplicate of what you revdelled

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Sears&oldid=988248839 4thfile4thrank {talk} :? 00:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I got them, I was checking the range. Acroterion (talk) 00:46, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Should this be revdelled?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kyle_Chapman&oldid=988270207 4thfile4thrank {talk} :? 04:14, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for the heads-up. Acroterion (talk)

Manda

Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 63 @Acroterion: Manda Salam --36.71.136.6 (talk) 04:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Continued, repeated vandalism to talk page

I left a final warning for the user that you just reverted on my talk page. He has left this nonsensical message several times. Now he has done it again. I hope you won't mind that I am reporting this directly to you instead of posting it on AIV. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 04:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Complaint

The edits that I made were not disruptive. I have used the talk page to discuss these matters, and am not engaging in any sort of edit war. The content that was removed is offensive, immoral, and vulgar.

Wikipedia is not censored. Acroterion (talk) 21:00, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

User talk page vandals

Hello, Acroterion,

I noticed that User talk:Berean Hunter page has been subject to vandalism from Colorado-based IP accounts for the month of November so I've issued semi-protection for three days. But I saw you undid some of these edits so I thought I'd let you know so you could add the page to your watchlist in case it wasn't already. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 01:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting, I hadn't gotten around to it. Acroterion (talk) 01:48, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Have a very happy adminship anniversary on your special day!

Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Please explain

Please explain BLP1E.

You threatened block but do not explain your threat. Thoroughly understanding something is the way to go.

I see in BLP1E that

Reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event.

On the other hand, I see so many articles that violate this. What you object is not even an article. I do not propose an article on Nik Dais. Vanny089 (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2020 (UTC)


Is Pamela Rogers Turner BLP1E??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanny089 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Other stuff does not justify violation of policies elsewhere. School articles are plagued with this kind of thing and persistent attempts to shame non-notable people will be met with sanctions. Sop now, and stop with personal attacks. Acroterion (talk) 14:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

I am NOT attacking you. Please let me know what is an attack or I might think that civil discussions considered by you to be an attack.

Oh, I see. I will be careful about negative information.

I did not know that school articles are plagued with negative info, like you said. Ok?Vanny089 (talk) 14:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

You're attacking Meters. And yes, every time somebody does something bad at a school, there is a rush to make it a prominent feature of the school's article, in violation of half a dozen policies. There's an edit filter for it. It is very definitely discouraged. We don't use a worldwide encyclopedia to shame people, and school articles are marginal as it is. Acroterion (talk) 14:16, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

I see in that same school, Little Flower Academy, that there was a huge uproar and many news reports when a teacher was discovered to be a lesbian who was pregnant. The teacher was immediately removed from teaching duties. It was covered nationally, not just locally. Would this be co sider a defacto ban on negative information? Meters removed that. Vanny089 (talk) 14:31, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/b-c-teacher-claims-school-sent-her-home-for-being-gay-1.506952

In general, national coverage would make a difference, and the person was presumably not accused of any crime. However, again, I would steer clear of naming people, and since you appear to be having some trouble with BLP in general, I would recommend that you tread carefully on BLP subjects until you have more experience with the policy. Keep in mind articles should focus on their subjects, and not be WP:COATRACKs for tangentially related topics. Acroterion (talk) 14:47, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Pamela Rogers Turner

Do you think this is a BLP1E? Should this article be considered for deletion? Vanny089 (talk) 14:14, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

It's marginal, but she received national coverage, probably on account of gender. It's not an excuse for similar material elsewhere, especially if those other events have received no more than local or regional coverage. Read WP:OTHERSTUFF. Acroterion (talk) 14:19, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Fine. But other stuff gives guidance. Conclusion is that I don't care about the Turner article and have no desire to try to get it deleted.Vanny089 (talk) 14:28, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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I knew you were nearby...

...I heard it on the police scanner. Your photo updates are always a pleasant update on my watchlist. APK whisper in my ear 06:11, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I'd forgotten you'd moved out there from DC - I have an aunt and cousins in/near Winchester. I was thinking of my parents with that picture - it was the 7th anniversary of my father's death. Acroterion (talk) 13:22, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Personal attacks II

I was accused of a personal attack for asking a potential homophobic editor why it was defamatory to ask about a persons sexuality in TALK. I appealed to Admin and received no response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.39.126 (talk) 17:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Your comment immediately above is another personal attack against Tbhotch, and your talkpage comments were violations of the biographies of living persons policy, which applies in a parts of Wikipedia. Stop with the aggressive comments - you will be blocked for a longer term if this continues. Acroterion (talk) 18:27, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I havent attacked anyone why wasnt my appeal investigated ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.39.126 (talk) 08:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I investigated. You attacked Tbhotch for cautioning you about your edits that violate the biographies of living persons policy by adding unsourced potentially controversial information. You don't get to do that - attempting to frame their response as homophobia compounds the problem.Acroterion (talk),

I asked in TALK if anyone was interested in discussing LH sexuality. Is that defamatory and what is TALK for then ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.39.126 (talk) 16:14, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

BLP applies to every part of Wikipedia, and you get no pass for initiating a speculative discussion concerning anyone's sexuality. Talkpages are for specific suggestions for article improvement, supported by reliable sourcing. What you did is a textbook policy violation. Acroterion (talk) 16:27, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

OK I still think a ban was harsh and being Bi or Gay is certainly not defamatory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.39.126 (talk) 16:44, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

A 48-hour block is about what would normally be placed for this kind of thing. No, of course it's not inherently defamatory to be bi or gay, especially if you're open about it, but it is deeply inappropriate to use Wikipedia for speculation about anyone's sexual orientation, gay, straight or otherwise, if they've not mentioned it or are closeted. Remember that you're talking a bout a real, breathing person on a top-ten planetary website. Now that you know that, I'm sure you'll be fine going forward. Acroterion (talk) 17:23, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

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Joseph Patrick Kennedy

I was not disruptive editing. I explained my edits in my edit summaries which was reverted.Joseph Patrick Kennedy’s name was Joseph Patrick Kennedy NOT Joseph Patrick Kennedy Sr. His son was Joseph Patrick Kennedy Jr. The editor that was reverting my simple correction was the one edit warring. Look at other similar men who named their sons after themselves with Jr. John F. Kennedy had a son John F. Kennedy Jr. JFK wasn’t referred to as John F. Kennedy Sr. Edward “Ted”Kennedy had a son named Edward “Ted” Kennedy Jr. but Senator Kennedy isn’t referred to as Edward Kennedy Sr. Donald Trump named his son Donald Trump Jr. Donald Trump is not Donald Trump Sr. I explained this on my edit summary. The edits were just reverted sometimes with the simple “Huh?” Someone said that when a Junior makes the father a Sr. It doesn’t. Some people may refer informally to them as for example. John Jr and John Sr. NapoleonX (talk) 00:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Regardless of your reasoning, what I see is a return to the behavior that was disruptive. I think you should realize that, and temper your editing where naming is an issue. I'm trying to keep you within the guardrails here. Acroterion (talk) 01:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

You reverted a correction back to an incorrection

A band is a single entity, therefore the singular word "is" is used, not "are". Example: "Steely Dan IS an American band", "Rush IS a Canadian band", etc. I corrected the Wishbone Ash page, and you reverted it for some reason. Obviously, anyone who would revert a correction back to an incorrection would fancy themselves as being an edit warrior, so I'll leave it for now, but will bring it up elsewhere for arbitration. Check any page for any band, and you will see the word "is" instead of "are", because grammatically, "is" is the correct word to use. No idea why you would prefer to die on this incorrect hill. Kubrickrules (talk) 17:27, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Not necessarily in English English use - you will see that organizations such as bands and corporations are referred to in the plural in UK usage. And this is a UK band. Please respect other varieties of English per WP:ENGVAR. Acroterion (talk) 17:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Please stop leaving messages on my page. Kubrickrules (talk) 18:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't plan to add to my comments, but if the need arises to leave you an administrative notification in the future, I will do so. Please consider a less combative approach to your fellow editors. Acroterion (talk) 18:12, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry about all the edits, my little bro logged onto my computer. Shouldn't have left my username and password on the computer desk, lol. He is, uh, a little bit of a troublemaker. And by a little I mean he gets in trouble every millisecond. Again, I sincerely apologize. This has happened before, though. (See my contributions. All of them were my annoying lil bro.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.218.39 (talk) 01:04, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the little brother defense gets no traction here - we've all heard that many times. Acroterion (talk) 01:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Bro I'm serious. If you don't believe me, why do I even bother? God, you mods are so bullheaded.

Because it doesn't matter whether it's you or your sibling, and because it's not worth volunteer time to sort out. Acroterion (talk) 01:11, 4 December 2020 (UTC)


I'm telling the truth! Remember what Henry Louis Mencken said, "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place." I'm not lying, and even if I was, you know you would too. r/reallybro

Ban

I think 97.83.218.39 should get a ban for consistent vandalism. If you haven't already, tell him to use the sandbox instead. I'd be grateful for it. He doesn't seem like a nice person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.13.160.214 (talk) 15:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm much more likely to block this IP for wasting time with silly games, given that IP geolocation is identical. Acroterion (talk) 15:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)\


What does that mean? I'm new here.

That belligerent IP

Thanks for blocking that IP user. I did not realise this at first, but it has to be Welkinstan, who in turn is an obvious sock of the indef blocked user Rightventracleleft as seen from their respective talk pages. Could you block Welkinstan as well? Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 19:28, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I'll give it a look, I have to leave for a while to run some errands. There has been a spate of hateful editors over the past couple of days across a range of subjects, they're getting blocked without much compunction. Acroterion (talk) 19:32, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
I see that El C got him first. Yes, definitely an ill-concealed and ill-conceived sock. Acroterion (talk) 23:08, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Distruptive editing

Looks like 50.52.16.153 is back to disruptive editing. Please take a look again and consider a ban. Thank you Tubbablub (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Re-upped for a month. If they start up again in January it will be six months. Thanks for keeping an eye on them. Acroterion (talk) 22:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Recent Reverted Edits

Good Morning,

I hope Tuesday morning finds you well. I would greatly appreciate a little more information as to which parts of my edits constituted vandalism. The orignal post was so biased and deragotry and demeaning that it should be considered vandalism. The author repeatedly called Richard Gage a conspiracy theorist. Scientific process, math, and physics are real processes and laws that govern the world. The article was biased to the extreme, and I simply told the truth by making several small corrections. To use the phrase conspiracy theories or conspiracy theory more than once against an architect who has assembled not just hundreds but thousands of other architects who put their professional careeres on the line to speak truth to physics is demeaning, rude, arrogant, or worse, criminal.

The article before mine was fraudlent and everything I said in my edits is 100% true.

Field Marshal Tamas (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2020 (UTC) Field Marshal Tamas

Wikipedia isn't a forum for conspiracy theories or their proponents. Wikipedia is not a publisher of personal opinions. Acroterion (talk) 14:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

It's not a conspiracy theory you peasant. It's high school physics.

And that kind of behavior isn't going to make things better. Acroterion (talk) 15:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Acroterion.....you're a "peasant" and here's proof! Thats you on the left I know...dont deny it!!!--MONGO (talk) 22:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Us'ns is a proud people, and we been learned good. Peasantry is all about applied physics. Acroterion (talk) 23:08, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

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Regarding this, see this. Not a newbie, they've been editing here since 2002. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:42, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Viktor Shokin edits

Funny, I would have thought that truth was enough to retain edits in an open forum. Apparently not. Even a cursory review of the Hunter Biden page and the Viktor Shokin page shows active suppression of documented facts concerning improper influence peddling. If this site is intent on merely being an echo chamber for liberal propaganda, then I have no desire to participate. Such sites already have too many cult followers. However, do not expect any contributions from me in the future.

On a substantive point, I "reverted" only once, but I see that actual truth is of no value here when it involves favored political figures.

DEOLES (talk) 03:49, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

You reverted the same thing twice, not counting substantially similar edits to the same effect, and you started shouting in the article. You are not entitled to edit war because you assert that you're right Acroterion (talk) 03:54, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

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Editors on Antifa sympathizers subject matter suppressing information

Recent edits on Antifaschistische Aktion show FMW777 removing a link to Iron Front on dec 10th, by claiming that it is in the Template:Anti-fascism_sidebar. But it had been removed from the template (twice) by Ziko and was deleted between 9th-14th Dec. Recently, it was restored by @Bobfrombrockley:. Moreover the Antifa (United States) makes no mention of the Iron Front, nor any reference to the fact that Antifaschistische Aktion, whose aesthetics they've adopted, and tried to get on the template, was a Stalinist front for the de:KPD. It seems a semi-coordinated campaign of intellectual dishonesty in suppressing awareness of the Iron Front for social democracy, while trying to co-opt the imagery of the Three Arrows for a movement that opposes it. Also please see the talk page for Antifa (United States), where I was accused of making a personal attack for objecting to this obscurantist editing and alleging a non-WP:NPOV. I tried talking with users about it, but have been threatened on my user page by Bacondrum with having my account blocked. I object to ignorance and suppression of the facts, not to anyone's personality or their basic human traits. Please advise. Thanks for your time.Jaredscribe (talk) 08:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

How strange that the intellectually dishonest version of the article with information suppressed contains the term "Iron Front" on no less than four occasions. Thus, the addition of a duplicate link to a see also section was correctly removed stating "removed duplicate links mentioned in article", since MOS:SEEALSO says As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body. Any part of that too difficult for you to understand? FDW777 (talk) 09:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm not going to intervene in your content dispute, but I will take action if you continue the name-calling and accusations of bad faith. Don't call people you disagree with "Antifa sympathizers." Acroterion (talk) 13:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
He's been taken to ANI for failing to drop the accusations. Doug Weller talk 13:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello again world. As doug weller said, this is now on ANI. I suppose I should have taken the content dispute to Neutrality noticeboard instead instead of your talk page. I'm new, and this is the first time I've heard of either of these, and first time contacting an admin. Although we've never interacted, I posted here bc I saw that you were an admin active on this subject matter.
As you say, I should not have referred to anyone's "sympathies" only to their words and actions in editing, and I hope I would be judged the same way. I won't do that again. And thank you for your time in responding. FWIW, I see nothing wrong with being an "Antifa sympathizer", only with suppressing relevant information. I should have said - "editors active in the antifascism subject matter". I myself sympathize strongly with antifascism, I just try to be historical about it and neutral for the encyclopedic purpose. Regardless of any feelings for or against communism or liberalism, I think that they both deserve more credit than they are getting in this field.Jaredscribe (talk) 05:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
I drop all accusations of non NPOV in relation to Antifaschistische_Aktion article. FDW777 is in the right in this case: Iron Front is already linked on that article, which seems to me neutral and informative. I thanked FDW publicly on that pages history, and if FDW wishes me to do something further to atone for this, I will. I was upset when writing and mixed it up; the actual content dispute is with Antifa (United States), where I initiated the discussion now stalled, and with Template:Anti-fascism_sidebar, where editors more skilled at wiki-diplomacy than I are now confronting the bias issue, following my edit there. Jaredscribe (talk) 05:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Series

Well, Star Wars has so much lore and depth and I think it would only be fitting. Besides, Wikipedia has a series on the Beatles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historybufffanatic2005 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I ask because that's usually what we use navboxes for. Are you thinking of something like what's described in WP:SERIES, which essentially adapts a navbox? It's something that has to be structured carefully, and has at times been contentious when applied in the portal namespace, so you might want to discuss with some active Star Wars editors to make sure you're not covering old ground. Acroterion (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit-warring

Your post regarding the 3 edits is founded on incorrect information.

The information that is being posted in factually incorrect and offensive tot he families who have had people committe suicide

I ask you to reconsider — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nothereorthere (talk • contribs) 00:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

You're edit-warring. Use the talkpage to describe your proposed edits and why they're supported by references, to achieve consensus with other editors. Edit-warring is a bright-line violation, stating that you're right and everybody else is wrong isn't a justification or exemption. Stop treating the article as a battlefield. Acroterion (talk) 00:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Need Help With Deleted John Robles

Here is the next you stated was an attack. It was not. I am merely stating the facts as they occurred.

This is no way an "attack" on you. However it was an attack on John. As the former lead announcer with the Voice of Russia World Service and the first and only person with full permanent political asylum in the Russian Federation, years before Snowden and Assange, it is a crime against any proper recording of history to delete this person's page. If WikiPedia really is a real source for information deleting such pages because of the reviewers political bias or because the reviewer does not "like" the person is an egregious crime and dirties the reputation of WikiPedia. John was also a WikiLeaks media associate and although you may not have hear about him is famous in Russia and certain geopolitical circles. Revising history and deleting people someone wants to be "unpopular" is not what WikiPedia is about. As you are the person who closed the discussion, which was not really a "discussion" as no opposing views were given audience, I have written to you per WikiPedia's instructions. John is currently and has been the ONLY American with asylum in the Russian Federation and perhaps the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Interceptor369 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

"Deleted by Russia-hating trolls" is a personal attack. Stop that, and please post at the bottom of talkpages. Acroterion (talk) 17:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey Stop editing my user talk page

So I want a crybaby corner on my talk page and you need to spot removing it — Preceding unsigned comment added by PEANUTBUTTERCOOOKIE! (talk • contribs) 21:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Talkpages are for productive interaction with other editors who are working with you to improve the encyclopedia - calling other editors "crybabies" isn't what you get to do there. Acroterion (talk) 21:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

sorry

I did not see your message that you for the feedback — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trentthetigerman123 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

confused

what did I do wrong I added citations and links to reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trentthetigerman123 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

For major edits on high-profile topics you must gain consensus on the article talkpage first. You must also be careful about making statements in Wikipedia's voice - you appear to be editorializing. Please read WP:MEDRS, which are a more stringent set of requirements for medical subjects. Acroterion (talk) 23:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

When you have a moment

Hello A. Thanks for the block of this one. Some of their edits and summaries could use some r/d when you have the time. Best wishes fr the rest of your 2020. MarnetteD|Talk 23:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Ah I see you are already working on it. Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 23:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Jimmy Relevance

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Never mind, I think you logged off before I sent the email. I've made the same request to Red Phoenix. Schazjmd (talk) 01:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I was compelled by my wife to go eat cake and drink wine for a while. Sorted now. Acroterion (talk) 01:40, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Mikey Chanel

I would like to contest the deletion of Mikey Chanel. I believe that the page, or the subject of the page, is significant because of the Pregnancy of the subject considering how rare it is. I believe that is something to document so people can see and learn about it. I included news sources, not from me, that explain this as a reference as well as government scientific information about the condition and an article about PMDS on this website. I also included a reference (or two) to socialblade.com about the subscribers, this website is used on James Charles' article that has been approved and available to read. With this being said, I would like for the Page to be approved and made available again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historybufffanatic2005 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Intersex is not inherently notable, nor are social influencers, and Wikipedia isn't the tabloid press. Socialblade is of no use for notability, we need reliable sources, not statistics, and the Daily Mail and Mirror are worse than useless. The whole thing is a badly sourced BLP mess and will not be reinstated for a host of reasons. Acroterion (talk) 02:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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