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User:EpicPupper, User:Qwerfjkl, I've just created {{BCL}}. Qwerfjkl, add a {{BCL|type=section|alt=none}} (or whatever parameters you see fit) to whatever templates are substed to create CfD and your problems should be solved. EpicPupper, I wanted to fix various open issues before exposing Bawl to a wider audience. The important stuff I wanted to fix is fixed now. For The Signpost, in theory replacing the contents of Wikipedia:Signpost/Template:Signpost-article-comments-end with the contents from Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Templates/Signpost-article-comments-end/sandbox should theoretically do it. There are still open tasks, but nothing major, mostly timestamp detection in some languages (like, projects in other languages, the detection is flexible enough to detect more than English but not every language works) and translations of the settings. The title attribute should be set on all buttons for the visually impaired and someone experienced with screen readers should test it, which is not me. The bad news: something happened today, something I don't want to share. Whatever you imagine it is, it probably isn't, but it scared me and I recognized what it was. No point in worrying, praying or being concerned: there's nothing you can do. If this wasn't a non-recurring event, something I can't say for sure yet, I may stop responding at some point. As I have no intention of leaving the project without saying I'm OK, you should assume I'm not OK if I'm completely inactive without explanation for more than a month. I hoped for Bawl to be a gadget someday, not sure if that'll happen now, but Bawl should have more maintainers. It's no good for a tool to be completely dependent on a single developer. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you feel there are particular parts or aspects of the code you feel I should explain/document, ask it now. I'll try to continue what I do and maybe I'll be fine for years to come, but the future is uncertain. I'll do what I can to hang on, but I just don't know what'll happen next. If I disappear, I don't expect to be in a position to say goodbye. Again, whatever you might think is going on is probably not what's actually going on. But I'd be nice if Bawl wasn't fully dependent on me being around. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Anything Bawl and ConvenientDiscussions could share?[edit]
@Jack who built the house: with Bawl nearing (once again, hopefully for real this time) a stable release, it's about time I asked. Bawl and ConvenientDiscussions have a largely overlapping goal but achieve it in quite different ways. The two aren't particularly compatible and I don't think there's any point in trying to achieve that. But in other areas we could perhaps try to be compatible. For example, Bawl uses the same method/format as CD to link another comment in the same discussion. (inserting an anchor) Maybe there are other things that could be taken advantage of. For example, CD could possibly use Bawl's locators when generating permalinks. (see my signature) Maybe you have some ideas? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:13, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Great to see there is such a substantial development to what was previously reply-link. I've first spotted your tool in early June. I'll probably write to you more.As for your questions here:
Now that DT automatically adds an anchor to each comment, I think there is no point to continue development of other formats. CD has just been updated significantly, and now it uses DT comment IDs by default, only falling back to the native format (YYYYMMDDHHMM_Author[_Number]) when a corresponding DT ID was not found for the comment.
I also think it's quite likely that one day DT developers will devise a way to locate comments regardless of the page, so it would make more sense to track such development. Any markers added to wikitext would become outdated the moment such permalinking mechanism arrive. I've just found a task T275729.
P.S. Please ping me as @JWBTH – I use this account for non-IA tasks. JWBTH (talk) 10:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, I found this issue: I can't collapse almost any sections on mobile. — Klein Muçi (talk) 10:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, 1. Mobile advanced mode yes or no? 2. Are collapsible sections enabled in Bawl's settings or are you referring to the native section collapsing on mobile? 3. Examples of pages/sections that don't work? 4. You said almost, so some do work? Examples of that as well? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea unfortunately as I don't use mobile that often for Wikipedia. How can I be sure?
They should be. I have only 1 pair of settings globally and I have them activated there.
All the pages in all namespaces. You get ninja mode, you break out of it, you collapse 1 section and then nothing can be collapsed anymore. Pressing the section arrows does nothing. Sometimes you can't collapse even that first initial section.
Klein Muçi, Check in [1]. I can't reproduce this. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, any change? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, sorry for the delay. I've seen the messages. I'm just leaving the mobile part for the end so I don't get lost in all the requests for the PC part. (Given that only one final list remains more or less and I rarely use Wikipedia from mobile anyway.) I did test out if I could collapse the sections when you wrote this question though and the same problem persisted. I could collapse only 1 section and nothing more. — Klein Muçi (talk) 22:05, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The mobile era starts. So, first of all I'm not exactly sure how to safely escape ninja mode in mobile without activating anything else. If you have any tips, let me know. Secondly, the problem persists. I checked the link you gave me and apparently the toggle is off, so no advanced mode. The said problem happens in every possible page (doesn't happen in the talkspace). You get out of ninja mode, you open only 1 section in an article of your choice, and all the other sections become locked. The chevron beside them actually rotates when clicked but nothing happens. I also noticed that the pencil of Factotum looks very similar to the pencil of mobile edit link and for users such as me that have both links active that can be very confusing. (I have a feeling a setting exists somewhere to solve that.) I haven't been able to make any other tests because the always-collapsed sections cut almost all my workflows. — Klein Muçi (talk) 09:50, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, So, first of all I'm not exactly sure how to safely escape ninja mode in mobile without activating anything else. If you have any tips, let me know. Maybe tap #firstHeading The said problem happens in every possible page (doesn't happen in the talkspace) This is why you should always provide link(s). I can't investigate anything if I can't be sure the problem even exists on the page I'm testing. It's a complete waste of time. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, did you change any settings since you filed this report? I can't reproduce this despite loading your settings. Do sections collapse normally at https://sq.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter?disableftt=1 ? (I have a feeling a setting exists somewhere to solve that.) Either blue mode (if you can see color) or "Hide Minerva's section edit markers when using the Minerva (mobile) skin" — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, I can see color but I find the extra color distracting (even though I love the shades you've chosen). I ticked Hide Minerva's section edit markers when using the Minerva (mobile) skin from the laptop but nothing is changing on mobile. Maybe it needs some time... I have changed my settings. How can I send a new copy of them? (New button that auto-copies your configuration list for debugging reasons without having to ask kitty for help? Useful?) And no, the problem doesn't persist with Factotum disabled. — Klein Muçi (talk) 09:08, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That setting stays ticked even when checked from mobile but I still have double pencils. :-/ Side quest: If you want my general opinion I think Factotum's interface should be redesigned a bit for the mobile experience. And it should have more autonomy from the desktop version. A lot more features should be toogle-fied to be able to enable/disable them while on mobile. I was playing around a bit with it and 2/3 of my screen was covered by buttons and templated answers. I also feel really anxious with ninja mode enabled. In the desktop version you managed to mould it in a perfect experience (at least for me) and you can utilize it however you want. Clicking in different places gives different results and it is pretty intuitive. In the mobile version there is not a lot of place where you can click and I always end up clicking in a section and opening the said section even though I don't want to do that. These are only first impressions just to give a general idea but there are a lot of details like these. It also depends on the user I guess. I only use mobile for reading and on some rare occasions for giving very short/fast answers so all those extra features I've been asking and loving on desktop become a big burden for me there. Or at least they look very heavy on my small smartphone screen. (Templated answers are very good for giving very short/fast answers for example but they take a lot of place as they currently are.) When I used to have a tablet though I would use it for editing way more often and some of the features would be nice to have there. So it depends. — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:03, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, but I still have double pencils. :-/ done How can I send a new copy of them? kitty And it should have more autonomy from the desktop version. done I also feel really anxious with ninja mode enabled Can be enabled on mobile/desktop separately now — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pencils and ninja mode are fine now. The sections are still locked though. All of them now, I can't open even the first one anymore. After we manage to fix this, I'll go and check what other micro-adjustments I can suggest about the general experience. All in all though I believe the TL;DR version will be "just make every feature with a mobile-toggle". — Klein Muçi (talk) 23:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
┌───────────────────────────┘ Klein Muçi, "just make every feature with a mobile-toggle" Please no. Just save settings on your mobile device to the browser. For settings where it really makes sense, fine, but not everything. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, eh, that's an option as well but I'm too afraid to walk that road after what happened the last time with preferences. Anyway, the problem still persists. Just retried. Also, why haven't you given us yet the toggles you already created for mobile? If I go at Interface filter for Customize elements to hide on mobile (new 09–27), I get just that but not its children. Still working on it or is that a syntax bug? I was able to reach it through the Interface header though. — Klein Muçi (talk) 09:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, but I'm too afraid to walk that road You're finally learning JavaScript? Just retried. Also, why haven't you given us yet the toggles you already created for mobile? Because you haven't learned JavaScript yet Actually, summary field = Field to add your own message to the edit summary and checkbox to mark edits as minor custom inserts = Enable custom inserts markup = Enable basic bold/italic/strikethrough markup toolbar link = Add "insert link" icon ping = Button to open user mention form undo = Undo button magnifying glass = Add icon for search and replace, section moving and other advanced tools switch = Enable switching between editors reflist = Reference list when editing a full page Only thing that has no toggle on desktop is the diff button, but why would you hide that on any screen that's bigger than a postage stamp I get just that but not its children. Still working on it or is that a syntax bug? Children bring their parent because otherwise they're scared. Parents never bring their children, there would be peanut butter and lemonade everywhere You need to better isolate which setting/action causes this problem. Checked the browser console? Is there a screenshot/movie? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, Done— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:18, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, they are indeed done (Thanks!) but now they appear expanded as a default which on mobile isn't always a desirable outcome (mostly because of the lack of ToC). Can we have a toggle for that behavior? As a side note, the little comments' chevrons on talk pages don't do their job either. — Klein Muçi (talk) 02:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, have a toggle for that behavior? There already is As a side note, the little comments' chevrons on talk pages don't do their job either. How/where/when? Got an open form in the section? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:40, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz: There already is Uhm, you mean Collapse all non-talk page sections by default? How/where/when? Got an open form in the section? I can't reproduce this anymore. I tried some sections in my talk page here. I couldn't collapse them back with those chevrons. Now I can. There were some rare cases when I still couldn't but couldn't isolate them cleanly so at the moment I'm gonna go with fixed on this. — Klein Muçi (talk) 09:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please add a toggle to remove the button for showing edit notices for mobile? — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:59, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, Uhm, you mean Collapse all non-talk page sections by default? What else? Can you please add a toggle to remove the button for showing edit notices for mobile? Done— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:01, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz: What else? The problem is that different behaviors are needed for different devices. At least by me. I have that section currently off on desktop but on phone there is no ToC so normally I'd want it on to use the headers as a ToC. — Klein Muçi (talk) 01:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, Done— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My current collapsed sections in articles
As I said, I like the 3 arrows you've added but can you make them removable for mobile? They're rarely usable there and space is very limited so... Klein Muçi (talk) 09:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, Done— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
┌───────────────────────────┘ Klein Muçi, I made some more adjustments so at limited width on mobile various icons will auto-hide for collapsed sections and for uncollapsed sections the icons and title will be rendered inline instead of flex. So what your screenshot shows shouldn't be possible anymore. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, hmm... I'm not sure how beneficial that option is in practice. What I mean is that tested on the same page, before you implemented this, I had removed the extra icons that I rarely used and "everything was fine". The headers showed the text correctly and I saw the icons that I had left there. Now at the same page the headers have no icons at all beside the chevron even though things were fine there for me. :/ — Klein Muçi (talk) 08:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, I found this issue: My global preferences appear to suddenly have been completely forgotten. Factotum has randomly returned in factory settings for me. :-/ — Klein Muçi (talk) 09:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, not sure what could have happened. I removed some legacy stuff recently (using the old name), but that was for non-global account settings. What does mw.user.options.get('userjs-FTT') return? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:58, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, well it's gone then. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:10, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz... :-( Can we please have a two-fold mechanism where we can easily get the tabular data of settings (without going to the kitty) and where we can feed such tabular data in case we need to get a certain configuration fast or anything of this sort ever happens again in the future? Completely losing your environment is a disasterous event. — Klein Muçi (talk) 20:55, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's even worse. I can't save my preferences anymore. Just spent 10 minutes to get them back and after I hit refresh they were gone... — Klein Muçi (talk) 21:11, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please, don't archive my open discussions on this page until a solution about this has been found and I've been able to go back at testing and I've answered you back there. I can't do much beyond simple replying if my preferences aren't saved. :/ — Klein Muçi (talk) 21:24, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, try again. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:50, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, fixed, thank you! Some side buttons for import/export? (Copy/Import) — Klein Muçi (talk) 00:03, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not fixed for mobile, if that makes sense... I still get the default preferences there. I get the default preferences everywhere else beside here. They're not truly global apparently. Was able to unify them by using the console way you've told me before. This is why I'm scared of using local preferences. — Klein Muçi (talk) 00:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, Some side buttons for import/export? (Copy/Import) Import from where? A copy button turned out to add 550 bytes to the script which is stupidly much, so instead you can click the text field now to copy. This is already a super-niche feature, I don't want to add kilobytes of code to expand it. You can write a module if you wish. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, I found this issue: live preview and its toggles are broken for mobile. The live preview actually doesn't work at all, it stays blank. When clicking the right angle toggle, its behavior starts becoming very erratic. — Klein Muçi (talk) 01:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, found some issues, but live preview not working at all I can't reproduce. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, the toggle that changes its position now works correctly but the live preview still stays blank. — Klein Muçi (talk) 08:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, Done— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A regression has happened and the filter no longer exists;
When I was rechoosing my preferences something hit me: How would people know something was "unlocked" somewhere when you activated the advanced settings? I chose my preferences 3 times in a row (because of the problem that was fixed some days ago) and all the three times, I instinctively went in the Advanced header in the end. All those 3 times I had no idea what I had unlocked where and I just scrutinized everything from the beginning (so 6 times? :P ). This is more or less the same problem as "How will people know a new setting is possible without searching for new periodically?"
Go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alexis_Jazz/Factotum?veaction=editsource. Press Ctrl+Shift+/. Things get a bit confusing. I'm able to understand what's going on but from a perspective of someone who doesn't, you basically try to get to the settings and instead get the shortcut table. So you think that maybe things have switched and hit Ctrl+Alt+/ for the settings but it doesn't work at all.
Klein Muçi, A regression has happened and the filter no longer exists; ? works for me you basically try to get to the settings and instead get the shortcut table. You get VE's shortcut table and Factotum's shortcuts are suppressed. What is the problem? And no, I can't suppress VE's shortcut table. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:27, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, How would people know something was "unlocked" somewhere when you activated the advanced settings? Done, expert/dangerous settings are now marked with orange/red blocks. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz: works for me I wish I could say the same. For me it's just not there anymore, simple as that. I can post a screenshot if you think that would help. Done, expert/dangerous settings are now marked with orange/red blocks. Can the blocks actually not be blocks? They get easily confused with the tickboxes. Maybe instead of adding blocks, the text itself could be orange/red? Whatever you choose though, it should be explained in the expert/dangerous settings' description in the Advanced header. To be completely honest, this doesn't really solve the "what unlocked where" part because you'd still have to see all settings one by one but it is an improvement. — Klein Muçi (talk) 16:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, For me it's just not there anymore, simple as that. I can post a screenshot if you think that would help. Please do. Maybe instead of adding blocks, the text itself could be orange/red? Hurts readability. Using triangle now. what unlocked where Well whatcha gonna do. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz: Please do. I will in the next comment. Using triangle now. Oh, that's very neat. Can we add a tooltip on the triangles that explains what they're symbolizing if hovered over? Also, the explanation beside Show expert settings and Show unfinished features... about the triangles is still missing. Well whatcha gonna do I don't know how achievable it is here but Android has solved this problem with the "notification dot" that guides a user up to where the change has happened. Maybe a similar mechanism can be devised for this purpose. — Klein Muçi (talk) 20:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, enter $('#FTTFilterSettings') on the browser console and see if you can find it and tell me whatever you can figure out. You're also missing $('.FTTCreditTop'). I can't reproduce this. There may be some error on the browser console, that could make sense. Please enable "Show an alert when you encounter JavaScript errors" on Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets-gadget-section-test so you can catch these more often. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alexis Jazz, done. I'm playing a bit around with it, maybe I notice something unusual soon. — Klein Muçi (talk) 23:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Klein Muçi, I moved some code around so you may now see the filter option again, but that doesn't necessarily mean the error that caused your issue has been resolved, it may only mean the error occurs after the filter field has already been added. I'm not sure if the gadget also catches warnings, but at least it helps to know when to open the browser console while just browsing to notice an error. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This happens on every Wikipedia article page, this doesn't seem to happen without having Factotum enabled. --Donald Trung (talk) 07:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You messed up! (insertion point RegExp no match)[edit]
Alexis Jazz, you messed up! (possibly)
I couldn't post the comment.
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Done— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:18, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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