User talk:Alisonkeay

Initial section[edit]

DO not think it will accept my Book Version from Reprint as basically the same as stated

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OKAY Added Wakefield but Cite error: There are Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). ^[1] Green bicycle Case. UK Reprint

22 November 2012

Hi. I am trying to correct my references regarding the green bicycle case.

A book I am using is basically the same as Donahue's but mine is The green bicycle case by H.R.Wakefield (1930s publication) reprinted by Reprint Co.Uk.

(keeping local history alive!!)

please explain how to add this to the references section

thanks ALISON — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisonkeay (talk • contribs) 16:37, 22 November 2012‎

You need a references section with {{reflist}}, as below - David Biddulph (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

^ Wakefield, H.R (1930). The Green Bicycle case. U.K: Reprint.

^[1] [[Keay|

Discussion of references[edit]

This is the text that you are going to verify with a reference.^[2]

==References== TEST MINE; eferences==

Donahue, Bill (2007). "The Green Bicycle Murder". Bicycling (114): 66–75. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
Marjoribanks, Edward (1989). Famous Trials of Marshall Hall. Penguin. pp. 329–342. ISBN 0-14-011556-0.

M (End of text to copy and paste.)

Note the position of the reference after the full stop; see also WP:REFPUNC. When you save the page, you should see this on your screen:

   Reference test

   This is the text that you are going to verify with a reference.[1]

   References

       1. ^Reference details go here

You can also use the Wikipedia:Sandbox for test edits like this. Information to include

You need to include sufficient information to enable readers to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:

^[3]

When uploaded, it appears as:

   Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", The Guardian, London, 27 October 2005. Retrieved on 27 October 2005.

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Mephistophelian (contact) 17:54, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Alisonkeay. You have new messages at Wikipedia:NCHQ#closing_tags.
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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Mephistophelian (contact) 18:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Referencing[edit]

You asked a question at WP:NCHQ, but you didn't answer the subsequent question, which has now been archived at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Archive/2012/November#closing tags. It still isn't clear what source you are referring to in the numerous places where you are quoting "name Keay". Did you get round to reading WP:Referencing for beginners?? If not, you ought to do so. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC) ---[reply]

HI. fOUND your referencing section at top of page. The numerous places where you quote "Keay" is myself. I have tried to understand referencing for beginners. (I do not think my computer will go to User talk..... Emails okay. My case is the green bicycle case. I am editing what is there or trying to by Donahue. My information is basically the same as his Green Bicycle Case and Green bicycle murder W.East. Plus I have newspaper cuttings from the time and original trial statements from National Archives. This case starts in 1919. Never satisfactorily resolved. Hope you get this Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). I understand this then inbetween ^[4] Donahue kept putting his name so I tried to "copy".

Bringing in new information alison keay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisonkeay (talk • contribs) 13:18, 18 November 2012‎

The relevant Wikipedia policy is that of verifiability. It is important that a reader can check the references. You'll see that the existing references to Donahue's book quote the page number for each relevant passage, and it would be good for you to do the same where you are using Wakefield's book as a reference. Where you are using a newspaper as a reference it isn't really good enough to quote just a year of publication; if a reader wants to check he ought to know the actual date of publication. If you are wanting to use a newspaper or book as the reference for the various places where you currently have "name Keay", then you need to replace the latter words by the details for the relevant book or newspaper. You have added a new section labelled "MY REFERENCES", but if you want to use any of the sources there as references you need to include references to them in <ref></ref> tags against the text that relies on that source as a reference. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, referencing yourself is not acceptable on Wikipedia, we ask you to use reliably published material and cite it directly. If you are taking information from newspaper clips and other sources then you need to cite these directly. --Errant ^(chat!) 09:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alison, there is a discussion at talk:Green Bicycle Case suggesting that the page is reverted to a state prior to August because the quality of your edits i.e. your huge usage or referring to yourself which means nothing. Every single instance where you have entered <ref>ref keay</ref> needs to be replaced by <ref>Donaghue (or whoever) p. xx</ref> so everyone knows what the source is. NtheP (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please go to Talk:Green Bicycle Case#Revert back to 26 July? and clarify your intentions so we can discuss and help fix it. It looks like you're trying to improve the article but the changes you've made don't make sense. Please join the discussion and explain. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New material at the foot of the page[edit]

You got confused when questions and answers were floating around near the contents box. The normal practice on talk pages is that new topics go at the foot of the page (as new sections). Replies to existing text follow the text to which you want to reply, indented by an appropriate number of semi-colons. Each contribution on a talk page should be signed, either by using the "signature & timestamp" icon in the edit bar above the edit window or by typing 4 tildes (~~~~). - David Biddulph (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How to use talk pages[edit]

Hello. Please note that new threads, that is, sections, go at the bottom of talk pages. New replies within a section go at the bottom of the section. Please read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Still struggling with referencing[edit]

I see that you are still struggling with referencing. One point which you may not have picked up is that the {{reflist}} comes after the use of <ref></ref>. You would usually use something like:

... text to be sourced<ref>{{cite book|title=whatever the tile is|author=author's name|date=1930|page=25|...}}</ref> ... and further text ...

===References===

and this would display as: ... text to be sourced^[5] ... and further text ...

References[edit]

^ Wakefield, H.R. ((1930)). The Green Bicycle Case. U.K.Reprint. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |year= (help)
^ Reference details go here
^ Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", The Guardian, London, 27 October 2005. Retrieved on 27 October 2005.
^ Green bicycle case
^ author's name (1930). whatever the tile is. p. 25. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help); Text "..." ignored (help)

There can be a variety of ways of formatting the reference citations, some of which are shown at WP:Citations and links therefrom, but the above is one of the simple ways. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:23, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

25 November 2012

Hi. I see you reverted back to Donahue's version. You will have gathered I am a new user. To Explain. I am resident in U.K. I came upon this case through family history researching my family tree. My gguncle Wm K was the architect who drew the plans for the court showing where parts of the bicycle had been thrown. HE lived at GAULBY where Bella Wright was going to visit her uncle George Measures. I used to live near here and so know the area.

I have been researching this case for a number of years now and have been researching all the books beginning with Wendy East, The green bicycle murder and H.R.Wakefield's Green bicycle case. I realised I knew the area where I learnt to drive and so I started investigating. Beginning with Bella Wright's birth and death certificate and searching on the Internet. I realised a lot of articles have been written about it as Donahue had said but a lot of it is incorrect.

The evidence is mostly Circumstantial Evidence against Light, things do not fit into thes story. Light told many LIES. When arrested by Sup H.Taylor atCheltenham, he first DENIED having a green bicycle. But was proved wrong by the four cycle agents when the bicycle was recovered from the canal and they found the bicycle number which was traced back to Light.

The time factor also varies in all the articles. So I tried to go back as far as possible into the archives.

I always try to begin at the beginning instead of half way as I did the Birth Certificate and death certificat I also visited Leics record Office and found P.C.Alfred Hall's original statement. Also National Archives to obtain original statements of all the witnesses.

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You will note I did not alter any of Donahues writings as they fitted in with mine apart from the CATTLE GRID. In 1919 there were wooden gates. Where the bird landed on the wooden gate.

I feel this case ought to be brought up to date showing the FACTS of the CASE as I have found them.

Therefore, please ADD what I have added. I tried to do a separate article but you wanted me to ADD to the original case by Donahue which I have done.

You will note that I am having trouble referencing. Which I am trying to correct.

D.B. gave me a contents list but I have found beginners guide to reference which I now realise I should have added first then my article.

SO I wish to begin with Bella Wright's birth certificate Archibald Ward. Mary Wright as previously explained but do not know how to add to CONTENTS BOX is this automatic

I realise I have a lot of information but the facts need to go in order as it happened

If you had read all my articles you will see they are explanatory as I have found them

Hope this makes things clearer thanks ALISON

Wikipedia workpages where is this

Green Bicycle Case reverted.[edit]

25 November 2012

Hi. I see you reverted back to Donahue's version. You will have gathered I am a new user. To Explain. I am resident in U.K. I came upon this case through family history researching my family tree. My gguncle Wm K was the architect who drew the plans for the court showing where parts of the bicycle had been thrown. HE lived at GAULBY where Bella Wright was going to visit her uncle George Measures. I used to live near here and so know the area.

I have been researching this case for a number of years now and have been researching all the books beginning with Wendy East, The green bicycle murder and H.R.Wakefield's Green bicycle case. I realised I knew the area where I learnt to drive and so I started investigating. Beginning with Bella Wright's birth and death certificate and searching on the Internet. I realised a lot of articles have been written about it as Donahue had said but a lot of it is incorrect.

The evidence is mostly Circumstantial Evidence against Light, things do not fit into thes story. Light told many LIES. When arrested by Sup H.Taylor atCheltenham, he first DENIED having a green bicycle. But was proved wrong by the four cycle agents when the bicycle was recovered from the canal and they found the bicycle number which was traced back to Light.

The time factor also varies in all the articles. So I tried to go back as far as possible into the archives.

I always try to begin at the beginning instead of half way as I did the Birth Certificate and death certificat I also visited Leics record Office and found P.C.Alfred Hall's original statement. Also National Archives to obtain original statements of all the witnesses. =