User talk:Android79/TalkArchive008

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Please assume good faith it is not nonsense pleae also leave me alone I dont know you just if you want to talk to my self ask Lucky 9.6 or go to that R.F.C. on "Wiki Brah" and talk there but dont bother me aggin Wiki brah 03:03, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

• Actually, no, it's offensive nonsense. I will check out the RFC. android79 03:05, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Our friend is back

'Droid, as you can see, Wiki is back and up to his usual nonsense. If you know of an admin we can go to, please let me know -- I'd be happy to help.

Thanks. klenk 03:25, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

• Lucky's not around, eh? I'll poke around for another admin. android79 03:26, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Here I iz...attracting the "unique" users as only I can! You and Klenk are real comedians, you know that?  :) - Lucky 6.9 19:09, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

• Any chance you can just block this clown for a nice, long time? While I agree with the sentiment, this just ain't pretty. It's pretty obvious he's going to refuse to play nice, no matter how many people talk to him. android79 19:15, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Scimitar and his user page difficulties

Hey again, thanks for the screenshot. If you get a chance, could you let me know if my userpage displays correctly on your browser?--Scimitar ^parley 22:47, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Brah saga resumes!

Am I ever glad to hear from you. I've never participated in an ArbCom much beyond weighing in on a matter. So...what do you need me to do? - Lucky 6.9 20:15, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

• Neither have I – I've only presented evidence – but I've been watching the main RFAr page for some time, and have a pretty good idea of how things go. The important things are to write a concise summary of the problem with the user, and to provide rock-solid, easy-to-read evidence so the arbitrators don't have to waste much time figuring out what to do. I'd make a copy of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Template in your user space somewhere. android79 20:25, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

I'll do that. Thanks. If this account gets deleted once and for all via an RfA, I sure won't feel guilty. Talk to ya...signing off. - Lucky 6.9 20:47, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

About my RfA

Hi Android79. You chose to be neutral on my RfA, but I appreciate the fact that you made your concerns public. I just would like to assure you that I will still work my best on Wikipedia, in order to prove wrong any fears you may still have about me. Best regards, Sam Hocevar 08:55, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

RfA

I have nominated you for adminship. Please sign your acceptance or declination. Thanks. — JIP | Talk 12:46, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

And I am on my way to support you with all the support that I can muster. Good luck!!!! - Lucky 6.9 03:17, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

American Indians vs Native American

With all due respect, I do believe as a member of the Comanche tribal roll, I know which term is preferred. The term "Native American" is offensive, as it is yet another way that white men try to erase our history. I know that some do this from ignorance, but some do it out of pure racism! I don't know which you fall into. I like to be called a Native American as much as a black person likes to be called a Negro.

Please see the following: a 1996 survey revealed that more American Indians in the United States still preferred American Indian to Native American. .

and the following:

Some American Indians have misgivings about the term Native American. Russell Means, a famous American Indian activist, opposes the term Native American because he believes it was imposed by the government without the consent of American Indians. [17] Furthermore, some American Indians question the term Native American because, they argue, it serves to ease the conscience of "white America" with regard to past injustices done to American Indians by effectively eliminating "Indians" from the present. [18] Still others (both Indians and non-Indians) argue that Native American is problematic because "native of" literally means "born in," so any person born in America is "native" to it. GOP904

Re: American Indians vs Native American

No problem at all. This will be a battle that takes me way beyond wikipedia. Those who started the term Native American probably had good intentions. I believe it was done to help white people forget the "savage ways" of American Indians. Now it is being presented as a politically correct term to show sensitivity to Indians. It actually has the opposite affect.

How do I start presenting my case on wikipedia? GOP904

Green Skull vandal

Ah, indeed...if only. Looking real good so far on that RfA! As far as this other nut job is concerned, he's been blocked by Redwolf24. Only for three days, though. I will be keeping an eye on this monkey. Thanks for thinking of me. - Lucky 6.9 03:47, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

• I figured you were around, you seem to edit at this time of night. And yes, the RfA is going amazingly well. Not that I think I've made any serious enemies that weren't trolls or vandals, but I figured someone would have at least voted Neutral by now. Knock on wood... android79 03:52, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

ulayiti's RfA

Hi Android, and thanks for your support and the kind words you left at my RfA. I'm an administrator now, and I hope that I'll live up to the community's expectations as one. Your vote of confidence is much appreciated. - ulayiti (talk) 16:11, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the support on my RfA. I was very pleasantly surprised to see so much support throughout the week. Please do keep an eye on me and my logs, especially while I'm learning the ropes with the new buttons. Thanks again, and the very best of luck with your own RfA. You will make an outstanding admin and should have been promoted a long time ago. -Splash 23:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Your RfA

I like how ppl call you The machine. I think avnative should have said Wikidroid.  :)

As for mine, I understand why ppl oppose. Perhaps next time.  :) --Admiral Roo 03:30, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Hi, thanks for voting for me in my RFA. I was really touched at how many people voted for me! --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 22:47, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations

You're an admin! Please read the advice, and use your new abilities to help create a great encyclopedia. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations, Android79. Of course, it's just a mop... but enjoy! -- BD2412 ^talk 16:02, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

• Congrats! Andre (talk) 23:07, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

• You're freaking welcome. :) Jobe6 23:08, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

• You're a freaking admin! Booyah! Our backs are covered! I knew you'd get it!!! - Lucky 6.9 23:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations! You're quite welcome. Glad to add a bit of levity to the voting process, knowing you'd understand it's all in Wikilove. Now go read my Desert Rat "article" sometime to find out what I'm really capable of in brilliant prose! --avnative 01:23, September 13, 2005 (UTC) PS: Yeah, I admit to being a member of the top secret Luckycabal. . . but don't be too hard on me for it! (tee hee)

• The baboon was happy to assist. Good luck and congratulations!--Scimitar ^parley 14:26, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Congrats Android! If you fancy a quick chuckle, check my 4,000th edit. Good luck with the new buttons and stuff! Alf ^melmac 15:57, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• Hearty congratulations and firm slap on the back and all that stuff. You're going to do great. :) Fernando Rizo T/C 17:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• Hey - I didn't write those kind comments... it must've been one of my cats! Seriously, congrats - you'll be a great admin. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Grutness...wha? 00:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you very kindly for your support of my nomination. I promise your trust hasn't been misplaced; I will only be slightly buzzed with power, but never drunk. ;) · Katefan0^(scribble) 21:24, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Popups tool

Congratulations on being made an admin! I thought you might like to know of a javascript tool that may help in your editing by giving easy access to many admin features. It's described at Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups. The quick version of the installation procedure for admins is to paste the following into User:Android79/TalkArchive008/monobook.js:

// [[User:Lupin/popups.js]] - please include this line 

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             + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/popups.js' 
             + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');

popupShortcutKeys=true; // optional: enable keyboard shortcuts
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There are more options which you can fiddle with listed at Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups. Give it a try and let me know if you find any glitches or have suggestions for improvements! Lupin|talk|popups 23:55, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your support in my recent RFA! All those extra buttons might not be a big deal, but getting all this positive feedback sure is, please let me know if you have any problems or comments regarding how I use all these shiny new levers and cranks! Rx StrangeLove 00:38, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

All the best

• It was my pleasure to support you. Actually I was watching the process and always felt nice watching the support base growing. I wish you all the best in your new role. --Bhadani 15:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• Ditto. Hey man, it was a pleasure (my first RFA vote!). Good luck with the adminship, all the best from Banes! Regards Banes 16:59, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• I think i would have woted against you if i knew about this but unforutunately i have been out of this teown for a while and not uing it so much tahnk you ogood morning.Wiki brah 17:49, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia Problems

I've recorded some of my thoughts and ideas about problems within Wikipedia, and some possible solutions here. I'd like your thoughts, and whether or not you think I'm crazy. Thanks.--Scimitar ^parley 17:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

re:wtf?

I figured that since everyone's been so serious and a little high strung regarding vfd/afd I'd have a sense of humor about it and maybe even make a few editors laugh before it got reverted, granted even though it's a high traffic page I didn't expect it to be reverted so quickly. Good job for being alert. :) Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 01:16, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

• Obviously, my reaction was "WTF?" 'cuz I don't have the faintest clue what "everyone" is so "serious" and "high strung" about. If you didn't have a username I recognized, you'd have gotten a nice vandalism warning. :-P android79 01:19, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I was actually wondering whether anybody would give {{subst:test}} to a wikipedia administrator. I would have laughed if you had decided to. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 01:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Better? :-) android79 01:28, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Please take a look at repeated reverts on Ray Nagin

I have reported the abuse but it continues [1]

The IP address is a sockpuppet for a user User:209.247.222.89 who was meant to be banned for 24 hours for vandalizing another page. Instead he reverted the Nagin article 15 times in the past 24 hours or so. The report gives the 8 reverts to one particular version he uses. The user has ignored all discussion on the talk page and has a history of sneaky edits such as turning First responder into a piece attacking the response to Katrina. He has also been abusive, calling other editors liars and 'National socialists'. The site is behind a NAT so he has several aliases. --Gorgonzilla 14:53, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

• I'll do what I can, but Wikipedia is moving realllllly slooooooow for me this morning (probably happening to you, too, given the multiple postings of this message here). Try WP:AIV if my response is too slow. android79 15:05, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Wanna see about a temp block?

User: 209.66.200.61 has made three vandal edits today, and several more in days/weeks past. Maybe you wanna use those new levers of yours to do that? Your call. . . Thanks! --avnative 05:02, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

• He seems to have stopped. If he acts up again, just holler. android79 11:02, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm hollerin' for ya again. Already reverted one edit just now on Absolute pitch, the other three of late already reverted. Thanks. . . --avnative 03:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Blockdafied. You caught me when I was out. If I don't respond, try WP:VIP or WP:AIV. Unfortunately, I can't be everywhere at once. ;-) android79 04:59, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Android! True, you can't be everywhere at once. Sorry if I seemed you were. Just took a tour of WP:VIP & WP:AIV - both look great! Thanks for the tip. --avnative 11:40, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Nothing but vandalism coming from 208.182.75.11. Three more edits so far today - they need a slap on the wrist, wouldn't you agree? Jbetak 16:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Request

I am asking past editors of the Karl Rove page to weigh in on a survey. If you can spare a couple of minutes, please visit this page: Talk:Karl Rove/September Survey, read the introduction, and answer the three questions that have been posed. Thank you. paul klenk 09:18, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

New JSD

You're right. I thought they had taken something to do with Java Server Pages (since they talk about JSP) and funnied it. But one of the ghits even points out that the Jackson in question is not the singer, so I've restored it and passed it off to AfD to decide on. Thankd for letting me know. -Splash^talk 12:58, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

PS: You're braver than me on all the nn-bio's that were in there! -Splash^talk 13:01, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Brave? Nah. Stupid? Maybe. ;-) android79 12:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Best idea ever

CSD A8: "Common sense deletion of an article that will certainly receive unanimous support to delete at AfD". I like it. :-) Friday (talk) 22:48, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Best idea that'll never happen. :-) Unfortunately, common sense ain't too common when it comes to speedies. (Works both ways, of course – "Speedy this article because I think it sucks" on valid stubs is just as annoying as protesting the valid speedy deletion of nn-bio.) android79 12:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps the idea will go nowhere, but you may be interested in Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Common sense speedy. Friday (talk) 14:12, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

Sorry, I thought all articles for deletion had to have the delete tag attached. My apologies--Light current 23:35, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

The article Battle of Drøbak sound was (I think) wrongly deleted. It is part of the WikiProject Battles and the series about Nazi occupation of Norway (Template:Campaignbox Nazi occupation of Norway). It was intended to be expanded by me today and since the event is so important I suspect others would have contributed as well. I also think at least one of the arguments I made on the talk page shold have counted for something. It is a hugely important event in Norwegian and European history(because it made it possible for the King and government to escape, enabling it, Norways gold reserve and large merchant fleet to fight for the allies), and of course it is the most important event of Oscarsborg Fortress. But the article about the fortress has to be seperate from the article about the event simply because the two things are different... I know the two articles are very similar now, but that will change. Please let me and others continue to edit it.Inge 15:46, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• Okay, I only deleted it because it was a straight copy from a section on another article. Happy editing! android79 15:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Huge thanks!

I'm in your debt for your reverting that vandalism to my user page. You need it...you got it. - Lucky 6.9 18:00, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Kurt

Kurt is a long-standing troll in IRC, mostly prone to either spamming the channel with random songlyrics or by being a vicious and trenchant Randroid with a negligible relationship with fact. (The point when he declared that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem was false was a particular treat.) On IRC, he's got a zero tolerance policy, whereby he is kicked the moment he irritates anybody. He was a fairly minor contributor to Wikipedia, but appears to have decided to adopt a parodically hardline inclusionist position and to be a troll about it. Snowspinner 19:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for the info. I smelled a troll when he defended the joke article Escalator Productivity on AfD. Hopefully he will not continue this behavior. android79 19:53, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

rfd

Redirects to deleted articles don't need listing at RfD. They can be speedied. I deleted the ones that were. android79 16:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

so i just list it for speedy? i thought only admins could "do" speedy deletes/ Nateji77 16:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. :-) Just do {{db|redirect to deleted article}} or somesuch. android79 16:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

CoA

I'm sorry, that's my usual proceeding in wk.pt... dunno that here it’s inaccurate... --Brian Boru 01:13, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

All those images but one were uploaded by pt.users in march-april 2005, with no further alterations... So i guess it is ok... --Brian Boru 01:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Your Votes Davien Crow delete & undelte Sin Star, and Mind Pollution

• You don't seem to be voting delete for a real reason, what leads you to beleive this is a vanity page. I can easily confirm who I am as the owner of this fan site. I dont expect you to like me, accept the rudeness of Sin-thetik, but I would like to politely ask you to review the facts I have outlined in the discussion and reconsider changing your votes. I am willing to accept feedback and civily discuss this matter with you. You must understand how infuriating this is to me knowing all 3 meet the guidelines by 1 or 2 requirements in several areas of WP's rules.

• Look the point summarized is I am willing to work with you guys on why these were deleted but until now noone has given us any feedback and has even lied about stuff trying to get it deleted. All 3 of them meet the sufficient amount of requirements for WP:MUSIC, the guidelines in WP:Criteria_for_inclusion_of_biographies, Wikipedia:Importance, Wikipedia:Notability (the fact that suicide girls, gidget gein, and marilyn manson are involved and can be verified in those links should proove that) , Wikipedia:Fame_and_importance mainly the part stating "There is clear proof that a reasonable number of people are or were concurrently interested in the subject (eg. it is at least well-known in a community)" If you can't tell the community of Myspace.com and Livejournal.com alone are enough to meet this criterea you are blind. If you do google searches, go to forums and search their names, or visit internet archives you can find un-disputable information on the band from reputable sources, first hand accounts that are years older than these discussions, and intangible archives kept by internet archives. IF you want more detail read my above rant, your right I do sound mad about this, because I can't see how you can say they do not meet criterea or that this is a vanity page. Please accept my apologies for anything you have taken to be rude and please re-consider changing your vote. What Harm could it do ? BTW I am not trying to bully anyone, I can show you the location of the people threatening to come here and vandalize the hell out of Wikipedia. But I do not want that to be part of your decision at all. (please reference the large rebuttle on the discussion page itself)

I have posted this, I hope that some of you will consider looking for my information and reconsider your vote for now. A lot of people are simply responding to the rudeness of user:sin-thetik and some things I said are being misconstrude as threats. I am simply upset because of all the time it took to write these 3 articles, knowing they fit the guidelines, only to have somone delete them with the proof and verifiable facts right in front of them .. just their un-willingness to read them. Please think it over, I appreciate your time. I'm just a fan girl trying to be the first to get an article up about them since I have been running a fan site about them for almost 2 years now.

PLEASE THINK IT OVER G4DGET 04:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

• I read your rebuttal. My votes stand. android79 11:00, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

VFD

I'm starting a new process to get rid of unwanted votes. --SPUI (talk) 22:22, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

• Then give it a new name. android79 22:22, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
  • What else would it be called? Everything is foo for deletion. --SPUI (talk) 22:27, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Ask at the VP maybe. I don't really care what you call it, but the VfD redirects need to remain. android79 22:33, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

user 217.65.157.2 and AIAV

I noticed your edit summary on AIAV was "no more vandalism from that IP in some time". Uh, well, I just fixed some stuff that had been done today, and it looks like everything within the past month was just stupid stuff... how long is "some time"? (link: [2]; I checked most of the September stuff and it looks like it was all trash.) JD 12:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Lists of songs

I am writing because you contributed to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Lists of songs. I have made a policy proposal at User:Wahoofive/Lists of songs and would welcome your comments. —Wahoofive (talk) 03:43, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for Abusing the Newbie

I just wanted to thank you (sic) for speedily deleting my new article "Wikipedia Attention Geas". In the talk page I clearly stated it was my first contribution ever, and I also stated it was a protologism. You could have left a stub with comments about neologisms or transmedia or something helpfull for a person using Wikipedia for first time, but instead you left nothing. Also if you had bothered to check my user talk page I have a space for messages about things like this.

If the article was inappropiate in any way a small message about why might help me to not make the same mistake in my next 20 contributions.

Wiki Tiki God 04:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

See, a few links, a little blurb about why im a nubcaek, and all is well thanks! Wiki Tiki God 18:50, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I must thank you also

Thank you for moving my entry. Lesson learned for me. I picked a bad way to try to learn WIKI Stuff. I guess if you're going to break a pillar, you might as well start at the top. I'll move my learning to the sandbox I hope I'm doing this part correct. Thanks again. John

Dealing with recurring vandal?

See User talk:170.76.20.253. This is a recurring vandal. How does one deals with this? ≈ jossi ≈ 18:48, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

• This guy could be listed at AIV, no problem. I'll just block him now. android79 19:01, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Reply from Wiki Tiki God 19:50, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Man this is almost as bad as IRC. If you could dump my article ("Wikipedia Attention Geas") into my User:Wiki Tiki God/Storage that would be swell. I thought if it was rejected I would have a day or two in order to make a copy. I don't think I'll be making too many submissions from here on out (but will still be an avid reader). Mostly I like language things like idioms, neologisms, coloquialisms, slang, techno jargon ecetera. None of these seems to be appropriate here (nor in Wiktionary.org either). I was so looking forward to writing articles on Kool Aid Drinker, Christo Fascist, and Sheeple. (NPOV baby!)

Canada, eh?

Did you mean to rollback your own rollback on Canada? "32 270 507 millions" is a bit of silliness if you ask me. android79 14:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, it was just a typo with a missing decimal point. At first I thought it was nonsense vandalism too, and since I'd already gone to the user's contributions and found a string of country edits that looked like a a vandalism spree judging just from the history list, I mass-reverted them while loading up the diffs. A little careless of me but the server is tediously slow today (not that that justifies it). After the diffs came up I realised my mistake and mass-reverted myself again. The canada edit does need a little tuning though. Not sure if the number should be rounded or just decimal-pointed. Is there any guideline or manual of style angle to the matter? --fvw* 14:59, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd say we should leave it be (the original estimate and not FRED's edit) unless a source is provided. Population estimates are pretty rigorously fact-checked, IIRC, on United States and Canada, at least. I guess it's a matter of poor English and not silly vandalism – "32 270 507 millions" is 32,270,507,000,000, and since an anon had made similar edits earlier I only assumed the worst. android79 15:04, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Vital Information quotes

Hi, I was wondering if I could get a copy of the deleted text from List of quotes from Vital Information (glad you nuked it, wish you'd waited one more day though) to move to Wikiquote. Thanks! CaptHayfever 20:38, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

• Check your email. android79 22:02, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Many thanks. CaptHayfever 23:56, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Deleted redirect

Hi, maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't think Kiddie Rape really fell under any of the criteria in Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion for a speedy; I suppose the closest would be vandalism, but I don't think it was, really. (Don't get me wrong, I think it should be deleted, but I felt this was out of process.) Noel (talk) 17:04, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

PS: I don't usually check other User_talk: pages (so that I don't have to monitor a whole long list of User_Talk: pages - one for each person with whom I am having a "conversation"), so please leave any messages for me on my talk page (above); if you leave a message for me here I probably will not see it. I know not everyone uses this style (they would rather keep all the text of a thread in one place), but I simply can't monitor all the User_talk: pages I leave messages on. Thanks!

from a user whose only other contributions were vandalism .. given the other contributions, I felt it best to nuke the user's entire contribution history: Well, as they say, even a broken clock is twice a day. I certainly would concur that a pattern of vandalism merits blocking, but even then I try and treat each edit separately. If you feel it's a useful redirect: No, as I said "Don't get me wrong, I think it should be deleted"; i.e. I agree it's not worth keeping. I just didn't think it merited speedying is all. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my concern. Noel (talk) 00:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Droid-- Thank you for the kind words and support concerning my RfA. Although I fear this may be headed toward "no consensus", I hope you will think about supporting me again in the future. You were right, Gabrielsimon brought out the worst in me, and I hope to never be that way again. Thanks again. --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 20:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Check Michael Jackson discussion page

Android79, it looks like you haven't being keeping with the times. It has long being decided that the "King of pop" & "wacko jacko" tags will not be mentioned in the introductory section on the main article. The reason being they are minor 'stuff' and subject to POV.

I see no such recent discussion. android79 13:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

It was at the point where the MJ page was something like [| this]. The[| Journalist] came along and summarised the intro of the article. We all decided that the we all not add any more info the intro & any more additions will be added to the latter sections, including the name tags. If you have any doubts, which u seem to have speak & confirm with [| Journalist].

Yes, I said it looks like you haven't being keeping with the times. It has long being decided that the "King of pop" & "wacko jacko" tags will not be mentioned in the introductory section on the main article. The reason being they are minor 'stuff' and subject to POV."

I couldn't find it in the discussion page as I first thought. Either, It's there in the discussion page but I can't find it or I saw it somewhere else. That's why I said!

It was at the point where the MJ page was something like | this. The | Journalist came along and summarised the intro of the article. We all decided that the we all not add any more info the intro & any more additions will be added to the latter sections, including the name tags. If you have any doubts, which u seem to have speak & confirm with | Journalist.

CONFIRM WITH THE JOURNALIST, IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS!

Enough with the caps. I just asked Journalist, but he's not around, apparently. If it's not on the MJ discussion page, and never was, then it doesn't reflect consensus on the MJ article. android79 15:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi, just got you message, Android79. I cant seem to remember discussing anything with 161.74.11.24 (talk • contribs). I dont even know this user, and I haven got a clue where he/she got it from.

There was this one time, however, when Nightscream (talk • contribs) had tried to shorten the article but mistakenly messed it up —he deleted some important info: here, and I reverted his changes, and rewrote the ontro (but as you can see, Wacko Jacko and King of Pop are both included). That was the only time I had ever made any major contributions to the article, and I cant seem to remember discussing anything with this user. Maybe he has me confused. →Journalist >>talk<< 18:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Z-Unitt

This content is all true, if not well-known. I volunteered to submit the rap ensemble, Soup and Crakers into wikipedia. They are very well known throughout North Carolina. The dali lama comment is a joke from one of their songs, its for the fans. Thanks for the warnings, I'll clean up the page zackiscool

Removal of speedy tag on orphaned "fair use" image

You removed a speedy tag, {{db|orphaned fair use image}}, that I placed on Image:3AImage010.jpg [3], with the comment "not a CSD, take to IFD".

Please acquaint yourself with CSD #5 under Images and Media WP:CSD#Images.2FMedia:

Copyrighted images uploaded without permission of the copyright holder, or under a license which does not permit commercial use, which are not currently used in any article, if more than seven days old (so-called "orphaned fair use images"). Reasonable exceptions may be made for images uploaded for an upcoming article.

There have been several notices pertaining this image policy at WP:AN/I in the past two weeks. I am reinstating the tag. --Tabor 20:04, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Piconjo

Ok I made the article over at Piconjo/Temp 64.251.182.80 aka 206.176.119.180