User talk:Awesome Aasim/xfdvote

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Terminology[edit]

Hi. I just came across someone using this tool, and while I don't have a problem with the tool itself, its name and the edit summaries it leaves ("Vote via XFD voting tool") seem to go against long-standing Wikipedia practice to avoid describing XfD responses as votes, as explained at WP:Polling is not a substitute for discussion. I'm not sure if using !vote is still a thing (rarely see it nowadays), but even if not, maybe there's some other wording that could be used that avoids the v-word? --Paul_012 (talk) 15:01, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the wording is very problematic. And adding an ! doesn't solve it.

My suggestion would be to move this page to User:Awesome Aasim/XFD-contributor and change the edit summary to something like "Commented via XFD-contributor".

We're in a type-written environment - words matter. - jc37 15:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding ping - User:Awesome Aasim - to see if this can be resolved. - jc37 23:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jc37 Should I change it to this?

"!vote via XFD voting tool"

Or this:

"[type of !vote] (via XFD voting tool)" Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 01:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's part of the issue - it shouldn't be called a voting tool. Whether we add the exclamation point or not. We do everything we can to try to get editors to discuss, per WP:CON. So referring to them as "votes" is problematic. And contrary to fundamental policy.

There are other words which would better describe. I suggested forms of the word "comment" and "contribute" above.

We can go look at at a thesaurus for other options if you prefer. - jc37 01:13, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I quickly changed the terminology on the main page to "XFD Participation" but the dialogues still need more work. There is a huge ton of instruction creep and I think the tool might need a rewrite for maintainability. I also changed the summaries in the six XFD scripts to !Vote for now, I know it won't be enough but it's better than nothing until I can give more thought how to structure this. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 01:21, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for working on this. - jc37 01:29, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Directly mentioning keep/delete/support/oppose/whatever in the edit summary sounds like a good idea to me. "Response" I think is another term that could be considered as an alternative for the name. "Comment" would be the simplest choice but is hindered by the fact that it is often specifically used in XfD discussions as a heading indicating that no !vote is being made, so it might be a bit confusing in that manner. --Paul_012 (talk) 01:42, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts on placement[edit]

Great tool, but would it be possible to have this tool pop up on the AfD (deletion discussion page), rather than the main article's page. I like to see what others have contributed to the discussion and that can only be seen on the AfD page. Seems weird to have to go back to the main article page to be able to use the tool. Oaktree b (talk) 15:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Bundled" AfDs[edit]

@Awesome Aasim: The tool does not present the bundled articles, As an example please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Howard Van Pelt and note that it is presented through the tool as a simple, single article discussion. It is unlikely to be possible to allow single !votes on each article, but it might warn the user that "This is a bundled AfD and the !votes must be offered in the discussion in the traditional manner, and not by using the tool" 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 05:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah... I'll probably consider a warning to avoid this happening... I might need to find a way to show all the articles so that people can make an informed decision... Will be a little bit more work when I get the opportunity. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 14:49, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vote eating[edit]

Periodically, the script causes my votes to be published without the text that I wrote in the text box. A little while ago, it happened again. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 17:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This also happens to me from time to time. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reason for nomination bug.[edit]

Notices that sockpuppetry have disrupted an xfd appear in the reason for nomination instead of the actual reason. See WP:No queerphobia for an example. GrayStorm^{(Talk|Contributions)} 20:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]