User talk:Bahaltener

Calling edits vandalism

Dear Bahaltener,

Recently, you have referred to edits I have made as vandalism. See [1] [2]. According to WP:Vandalism, "Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism." Please keep this in mind and assume that I am editing in good faith, just as I have been assuming that your edits are also in good faith. Thanks, RJaguar3 | u | t 04:55, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

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August 2012

Hello, I'm Wikipelli. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Windows refund seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks, Wikipelli ^Talk 20:10, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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selfedit in DRN Jolla talk

Selfedit: I am sorry I have written For me it is OK. thx and night, will be put into article by Monday night, but not tomorrow. It was great pleasure to meet you! :) Ocexyz (talk) 00:31, 26 August 2012 (UTC) but that was the mistake as I was quite tired already after several hours. This part is for me OK: >>>Jolla Oy (commonly called Jolla Mobile) is an independent Finland-based smartphone manufacturer start-up continuing the development of the Linux-based mobile operating system previously known as MeeGo. Jolla intends to announce its first smartphone product, equipped with Mer project's <<< But in fact can't agree with last words, because, the Mer is not an operating system now yet, this is not the full Linux distribution what your proposal suggest - this is against WP:V and WP:SOURCES. Also there is no customer user interface by the Mer WP:SOURCES at all. Only the MeeGo UI/UX fork described for easier understanding as Jolla's own UI. There is no source which would state this way - "operating system" used here is ambiguous and suggesting to reader something what does not exist. I also have mentioned above already that the Mer this is not any Linux distribution so far. However the goal of the project is being MeeGo 2.0, but now only "the core distribution" is what is (1) confirmed by the Mer site and several loud and clear statements of them (2) declared by Jolla with "using the Mer core" or "based on the merproject" (3) clear and not ambiguous. The Mer in this Jolla context mentioned as "operating system" is strong belief and strongly supported of Dark Almöhi and Bahaltener but it is only the opinion not the fact. We are obligated for WP:NPOV Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is nonnegotiable and all editors and articles must follow it. The article can't be biased to promote the Mer project as the full operating system when in fact and by confirmed sources it is not WP:SOURCES. Also WP:VALID While it is important to account for all significant viewpoints on any topic, Wikipedia policy does not state or imply that every minority view or extraordinary claim needs to be presented along with commonly accepted mainstream scholarship. There is no any hidden secret the Mer Linux as full linux ditribution with complete UI, only the Mer core, which is more Linux kernel with some basic libraries. We do not take a stand on these issues as encyclopedia writers, for or against; we merely omit them where including them would unduly legitimize them, and otherwise describe them in their proper context with respect to established scholarship and the beliefs of the greater world. Also I have decided to say this as in consequence in future edits it could happen that wherever MeeGo would appear it would be long discussion "but we have agreed this in fact is the Mer operating system". But this is the Mer core WP:SOURCES. Dark Almöhi claims the Mer has the text console so this is Linux operating system full distribution. But no normal customer would be able to make any single call or SMS check having only Linux text console with prompt, so s/he would have to call libraries one by one and define a phone number as a parameter for libraries, etc. etc. So we can assume we have agreed the first part but the last part have not been solved. Sorry, but I see no other solution, to avoid future problems. Ocexyz (talk) 09:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC) Ocexyz (talk) 10:37, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Note about minor edits

Hi, I noticed that you've marked a few of your recent edits to Windows refund as minor that clearly aren't such. For instance, [3], [4], [5]. Per WP:MINOR, only edits that change the formatting or presentation of the content (not the content itself) and are unlikely to be disputed should be marked as minor. Quote, "any change that affects the meaning of an article is not minor". The edits I linked to definitely change the meaning of the article (adding or removing significant amounts of content), and so should not have been marked as minor. Please keep that policy in mind when editing Wikipedia. Thanks! Indrek (talk) 08:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

This must be a bug in the visual editor, since I didn't explicitly use "minor edit" setting. I was going to go back to the regular editor for now anyway. Thanks for pointing out! Bahaltener (talk) 15:01, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Bundling of Microsoft Windows

I just replaced the list of cases section with an expanded paragraph incorporating relevant cases as per WP:PROSE. Your thoughts and suggestions on my edit are welcome. Thanks, RJaguar3 | u | t 13:58, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I see several problems with this change: 1. For some reason you removed the whole section about vendors violating consumer protection laws, this has nothing to do with WP:PROSE. 2. Those cases have value for those who research the legal precedents. I see no stylistic problem with keeping the list in the article, but if you don't like it, you can make another page with that list and reference it from here directly. It's not proper to just remove the list of valuable information on stylistic grounds. That paragraph you added is not a substitute of the full list. I suggest you revert the changes back, and if you want to avoid long lists, transfer the list to another page, and reference it from here. -- Bahaltener (talk)

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Bundling of Microsoft Windows

Hi Bahaltener,

I know you've contributed a lot to Bundling of Microsoft Windows. I've overhauled the article in the past six months, and perhaps you'd be interested in taking a look at the changes or making new edits or ideas. Also, I was planning on redoing the Secure Boot section to incorporate better and more recent sources, which perhaps you would like to help with. Thanks, RJaguar3 | u | t 20:56, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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I can try contacting Christy herself, and check who owns that photo exactly. — Bahaltener (talk) 05:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bahaltener. If the photographer who took the photo agrees to WP:CONSENT and then emails Wikimedia OTRS saying they do, then it might be possible to convert this to a free license; otherwise, there's really no good way to justify pretty much any copyright-protected image of Marx for use on Wikipedia.

Another possibility would be for someone to create a free equivalent image of Marx to serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Perhaps she can have someone she knows simply take her photograph, and then have that person upload it directly to Wikimedia Commons per c:COM:UPLOAD as their own work. They shouldn't post it online anywhere since that will likely complicate things a bit (at least not unitl after it's been uploaded to Commons), but just upload it to Commons. If they upload the photo in the highest resolution possible with the original Exif data under one of the licenses accepted by Commons per c:Commons:Licensing, things should be fine. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:55, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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