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Nomination of 2013 Peoria municipal election for deletion

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Draft categories

I saw your edit on Draft:Speroach Beatz where you removed the categories outright, rather than colon-deactivating them or surrounding them with {{draft categories}}.

When I see editors who have more experience than me do something "unusual" like this, I see it as a learning opportunity.

Do you have some general advice on when it's a good idea to remove the categories entirely in a case like this, rather than deactivating them? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 13:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Chicago_District_Golf_Association

Is this club really notable? Bearian (talk) 20:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

All or None

I'm not picking and choosing. You picked and chose who to remove. You left Catherine O'Hara, Colin Mochrie, Ernie Coombs, the cast of Kids in the Hall, cast of Royal Canadian Air Farce, etc.. All actors and actresses. So don't be selective in who you remove. It's all or none. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 14:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Sketch comedians and kids show hosts are not the same thing as actors in scripted comedy or drama series, and are not subject to the same considerations. The fundamental distinction between an "actor" and a "personality" is whether they're playing a fictional character or appearing as "themselves", and sketch comics and kids show hosts straddle that line in a much more subjective way than people who have roles in scripted narrative fiction: is Mr. Dressup a wholly fictional character that Ernie Coombs is playing, or is he fundamentally just a stage name that Ernie Coombs uses in the process of being himself? There are arguments on both sides of that one, and it's simply not as clear cut as it is if the person is actually playing a regular character in a sitcom or drama series. And 22 Minutes, which blends sketches with scenes where the cast are literally anchoring a "newscast" as themselves? And Air Farce, whose cast members have virtually all worked on the side (e.g. during the Air Farce summer hiatus) as hosts of other CBC programs besides Air Farce, such as that summer radio show where they program-jockeyed classic comedy clips? Not the same thing as actors, by any means.

And that said, you are picking and choosing actors arbitrarily. Having been in Little Mosque on the Prairie justifies adding Deb McGrath to the list, but somehow doesn't justify adding Zaib Shaikh or Sitara Hewitt or Sheila McCarthy or Neil Crone or Boyd Banks or Aliza Vellani or Manoj Sood or Brandon Firla? Just Deb McGrath, really, and not the entire rest of the show's cast? And then why not the entire cast of Kim's Convenience as well, and the entire cast of both versions of Street Legal, and the entire cast of Schitt's Creek, and the entire cast of Intelligence, and the entire cast of Da Vinci's Inquest, and the entire cast of Black Harbour, and the entire cast of Being Erica, and the entire cast of every other scripted comedy or drama series that the CBC has ever aired? Instead, it's just Deb McGrath, for some unique reason that doesn't apply to every other actor?

Acting in a scripted narrative fiction series does not make a person a "network personality" — the purpose of the "personalities" list is for people who have been directly employed by the CBC in non-fiction capacities where they appeared as themselves, such as talk show hosts and news anchors and other people who speak directly into the camera or microphone to address the audience under their own name, not "every single person who's ever been seen on the CBC in any capacity whatsoever". Bearcat (talk) 15:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Also, since television actors appear in a lot of different shows over the course of their careers, adding actors to "network personalities" lists would just indiscriminately make every actor a "personality" of multiple networks — and conversely, since the CBC is the only television network that actually invests a genuinely significant amount of money into producing a lot of Canadian drama and comedy programming rather than just dribs and drabs here and there, virtually every Canadian actor who does television at all has been in a CBC/SRC drama or comedy series at some point or other in their careers. So it's not useful to conflate "actors" with "personalities" in a different way than parallel lists like List of NBC personalities (which does not include actors in prime-time drama or comedy series) are doing, because the CBC doesn't work differently from other television networks in that respect. Bearcat (talk) 16:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

First off, it says on my talk page to keep discussions in one spot. Thus, I moved it here.

Now, with your logic of actors and actresses playing fictional characters, that would mean the cast of Kids in the Hall acted as they played fictional characters in all their sketches. Yes, Kids in the Hall was scripted. Beside Dave Foley's name is says "writer and actor on The Kids in the Hall from 1989 to 1994. With that, they will be removed. Don't get in my face about Catherine O'HGara. I didn't add her. You clearly ignored that she was already on the list. You clearly didn't bother to look at Coming Up Rosie which is a children's sitcom. She starred in it alongside Dan Akroyd who was removed from the list. Michael J. Fox was left on the list. He acted in an episode of the anthology series The Magic Lie. But lets ignore that too. You are picking and choosing who to remove. All or none. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 19:06, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Firstly, your preferences of where to post talk page discussions do not take precedence over my preferences — so you do not get to lecture me for not obeying your personal talk page rules, because I don't have a responsibility to have read your rules, or even to have noticed that you have any "rules" to read, in the first place. So you can take that attitude and stuff it in the garbage can of your choice, because I don't have a responsibility to take ownership of it.

Secondly, the fact that I didn't comprehensively go through the entire list to remove everybody who could possibly be characterized as an actor, and instead only removed some names that immediately jumped out at me on a quick scan, does not mean I'm being selective or doing anything improper. Again, I don't have a responsibility to have gone through the entire list with a fine toothed comb all at once, and I don't have a responsibility to apologize for not removing more: my only responsibility is to have noticed who I noticed, and that's that. If you think other names should also be removed from the list on the same grounds, then fix it and don't attack other people for not noticing what you noticed.

It's all or none? Sure: it's none. So can the pushback and fix it. Bearcat (talk) 19:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I used to be the same way. I used to respond on someone else's talk page after they left a message on mine. But, it's redundant actually. I don't want to be going back and forth between talk pages. Now, if you want them removed, fine. Just remove them all. Don't come at me as if I added someone ala Catherine O'Hara just because I added a character she played on a series that aired on CBC. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 19:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Since when did any of this have anything to do with Catherine O'Hara? I was talking about your addition of Debra McGrath, like I've said all along, and didn't even notice or mention anything pertaining to Catherine O'Hara whatsoever. Bearcat (talk) 20:01, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Like I said, you want to remove them. Fine. But finish what you started. That's all. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 20:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

And like I said, that's not how this place works. If you see a problem, you're free to fix it, but you're not free to fling it at somebody else's face and demand that they fix it on your desired time frame. I'll do it whenever the hell I feel like getting around to doing it, and you don't have any right to demand that I do it any faster: if it's not happening as fast as you'd like, then you can fix it yourself. And that's how this place works, as you might learn if you actually read WP:SOFIXIT: "If you notice an unambiguous error or problem that any reasonable person would recommend fixing, the best course of action may be to be bold and fix it yourself rather than bringing it to someone's attention in the form of a comment or complaint. In the time it takes to write about the problem, you could instead improve the encyclopedia." Bearcat (talk) 20:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

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Nomination of Andre Noble for deletion

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sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 04:29, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Mention in Stanford Internet Observatory Post

Hi Bearcat, I was reading an article from Stanford titled "Inauthentic Editing: Changing Wikipedia to Win Elections and Influence People," and I noticed that you were mentioned with respect to some edits and admin actions on Andrew Wilkinson. I thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Tony Tan · talk 17:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Missing tv show from 1988 Canadian tv shows.

Hi bearcat I was going through 1988 Canadian Television shows starting in and Puttnams Prairie Emporium is absent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puttnam%27s_Prairie_Emporium Thanks Nelson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:B100:710:5804:BC2B:50CD:8BF2:6403 (talk) 08:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Ibobang

Hey there, saw you re-added the uncategorized tag. So, the two stub categories don't count? Not that I do a lot of work on island articles, but if I do in the future, it would be good to know. Thanks. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

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Category:Destroyed landmarks in the United Kingdom has been nominated for merging

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"Carmanville, Ontario" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Radio interview

Hi,

Are you interested in appearing on the radio? A talk show from Vancouver is wanting to interview me on editing Wikipedia tomorrow (Thursday) night, but tonight the host suddenly brought up a Stanford article touching on the edits to Wikipedia during their general election.

https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/io/news/wikipedia-part-one

While I'm an administrator, it's been a while since I've been in the trenches. Do you have any interest being a part of the interview?

Regards, Nick Zanimum (talk) 01:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:Destroyed landmarks in Germany has been nominated for merging

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Nomination of Little Clive River for deletion

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Webfil (talk) 13:19, 26 January 2021 (UTC)