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Be critical of the uncritical, of gullibility. Be critical of the imPOV rished critics. Be critical of criticism, of criticism's lack, of selective criticality (used merely to attack). Be critical of everything till criticism comes full circle into knowledge, and into knowledge of fallibility.

Will need your input

...for the WP:99% guidelines.--Amadscientist (talk) 22:43, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Occupy Wall Street

Leave a message on my talk page if you need me to do anything further. (I'm cleaning up the threads on my talk page so don't be alarmed when you see your thread missing). Regards, Whenaxis (contribs) ^{DR goes to Wikimania!} 22:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for your help and advice! B^e——C_ritical 22:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I assume you didn't mean to do this [1] ;-) AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL, don't know how that happened :P B^e——C_ritical 03:22, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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in re ANI

WP:ANI / User promoting a movement

Hey, I'm surprised that you haven't weighed in on the ANI discussion about the OWS article and specifically COI/other issues with User:완젬스. I think Penyulap may have mischaracterized the collaboration of other editors at the OWS article, and is too lenient with User:완젬스 perhaps because s/he isnt quite aware of the discussion history. But lately I haven't been following the discussions and article progression closely though, so I could be wrong. I thought there were several regulars including yourself, working together through compromise despite occasional disagreement. El duderino ^(abides) 22:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Like I'm supposed to know about it? B^e——C_ritical 23:16, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

That explains it. I was thinking of adding a link at the OWS talkpage anyway. El duderino ^(abides) 23:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I would've done that myself but was concerned it might appear as canvassing. I'm not sure though. Just something to consider. Equazcion ^(talk) 23:44, 22 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Wiki doesn't make it easy. I would have to have been checking you guys contribs or something. B^e——C_ritical 23:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

As long as it's done neutrally, which I think it was.Use of "relevant" (there only because it was the sole current thread he's in) and "possible.". To follow-up, I'm a bit surprised at Amadsci's most recent post. But I'll refrain from any more play-by-play here. El duderino ^(abides) 00:39, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Amadscientist was responding to the fact that I had posted the complaint at ANI more than anything else. He has personal issues with me, which may have started with this, but there were other OWS things that may have done it too. Not sure exactly. But anything I suggest can predictably be opposed by him, so his reaction wasn't too surprising to me. I had a feeling once this showed up on BeCritical's talk page that he'd come to ANI to get a shot in. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:45, 23 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Or maybe Amadscientist is responding to the fact that you seem to not understand policy and ignore discussion and seem to take aim at removing opposition on Wikipedia and being as annoying as you can to those you actively oppose on Wikipedia like a batteleground Equaz.--Amadscientist (talk) 05:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012

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I think BeCritical made a technical error there rather than meaning to blank the article :) Just for the record. Equazcion ^(talk) 04:34, 23 Apr 2012 (UTC)

It happened last time I tried to put a POV tag on that article too. B^e——C_ritical 04:54, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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You might be interested

...in this proposal, which just showed up on my watchlist rather magically. Equazcion ^(talk) 21:20, 26 Apr 2012 (UTC)

Very much so thank you :D :D :D B^e——C_ritical 21:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Verifiability mediation - choosing final drafts

Hello BeCritical. This is a note to let you know about a discussion I have just started at the verifiability mediation. It is aimed at making a final decision about the drafts we use in step 6, so that we can move on to drafting the RfC text in step 7. If possible, I would like everyone to comment over at Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/27 February 2012/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Final drafts proposal. Thank you! — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 04:07, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Saw your edit at User Pages

Thought you might be interested in what I just posted at Jimbo's page. -- Avanu (talk) 01:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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Mediation issues

After reading the mediation guide, which I hadn't bothered to do until now, it became clear that mediation is strictly for content issues. If behavior is mixed in, it could increase the chances of it being rejected. I've already cut down my initial comment to exclude the behavioral stuff, and I'd suggest not responding to Amadscientist's behavioral prods at the mediation page. That stuff may need to be dealt with somewhere else (though at the moment I'm not sure where). Equazcion ^(talk) 07:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, okay. B^e——C_ritical 13:32, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to take part in the discussion. Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 14:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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Pretty sure...

...he meant a "level-two" section header, as you did. (== ==) Equazcion ^(talk) 05:34, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, right makes sense (: B^e——C_ritical 05:52, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Oversight requests

Regarding this statement — please don't request oversight at the administrators' noticeboard: it's one of the most public pages at Wikipedia, so leaving a request for oversight there is likely to produce a Streisand effect. Instead, please send an email to the oversight team. Nyttend (talk) 20:57, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thx (; B^e——C_ritical 21:06, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Verifiability mediation - choosing the RfC structure

Hello BeCritical! You are cordially invited to a discussion at the verifiability mediation in which we will be deciding once and for all what combination of drafts and general questions we should have in the RfC. We would love to hear your input, so why not hop over and let us know your views when you next have the chance. Thanks! — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 16:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Mediation request re: "Formation of the New York General Assembly"

I am convinced that you and other editors wishing to include this language in the OWS article are critically ignoring WP:V, and I have requested mediation here. The request is still pending and I don't believe any discussion can yet take place, but I wanted to at least notify you of the request. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS) (talk) (contribs) 16:51, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Verifiability mediation - to protect, or not to protect

Hello again Becritical. Do you think the upcoming verifiability RfC should use a system of protection and transclusion, as was found in the recent pending changes RfC, or should we just keep the entire RfC unprotected? There are good arguments both for and against, and at the moment we are at a stalemate. Could you give your opinion on the matter? The discussion thread is here. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 14:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Verifiability RfC - final call for alterations

Hello again BeCritical! This is to let you know that I have made a final call for alterations to the verifiability RfC draft. Unless there is a very good reason for it not to, the RfC will be going live around 10.00 am (UTC) on Thursday June 28. Even if you would not like to see any further changes to the RfC draft, it would be a great help if you could check over the draft page and make sure everything is working properly. Thanks for your continued patience with this. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 14:15, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Copy at User:Becritical/AnonPaste B^e——C_ritical 01:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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Happy holidays!

Be well and have a wonderful holiday!--Amadscientist (talk) 00:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, you too!

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I wanted to let you know that I will not be arguing for or against the inclusion of the section you are discussiong. Whatever editors decide I will live with. I recuse myself from the discussion as I have become involved with the DR/N process and feel that it is best if I not be a part of the consensus on this issue due to the fact that this debate is what introduced me to DR/N. Also should any disputes come to DR/N from this article I will recuse myself at DR/N unless it is something I had little to no invlovment in. I am sure whatever editors come up with will be fine as you guys are sticking closely to policy and procedure. Good work. Have fun and happy editing!--Amadscientist (talk) 02:15, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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Advice

What was wrong about your question is that it was not a theoretical question about electronics, but a direct request for professional advice about how to use a product not in accordance with the manufacturers specifications and with dire possible consequences, including electrocution and fire.

There is no one on the reference desk who can act in the capacity of a professional electrician, and even then, they would be unprofessionally reckless to do so without reading the manufacturers specifications and visually inspecting your electrical system in person.

Any answer you could have possibly gotten would have been totally worthless, and potentially life-threatening.

Using a product not in accordance with the manufacturers instructions is extremely ill-advised without consulting either the manufacturer or a certified professional electricain first. That cannot be done on the reference desk.

By the way, sticking your finger into water contained in an improperly used appliance was an incredibly stupid thing to do. You could have been electrocuted. Continuing to use the device not in accordance with the manufacturers specifications after you knew there was a problem was just as dumb. I like having you around as a fellow editor, and would be sad to see you gone before your time.

I just lost an 18-year-old student of mine to electrocution in an accident caused purely by his own stupidity. Sad, because he was not normally a stupid kid by any stretch of the imagination. Even a one-second lapse in judgement can kill when you're working around electricity. Please be careful. Good luck! Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 15:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry about your student.

For some people, the conditions of our lives preclude doing everything in the manner specified by our professionalized society. We have to take chances with our lives and the lives of those we love, because to do otherwise is unsustainable. Do you think that no one, for example in Africa, has an appliance like this? Do they call an electrician? But they do have access to the web. Having even a general answer to my question might, conceivably, have saved lives. What I'm saying is yes, if you have money and are in an ideal situation, what you say is true. But not all of us live in such ideal situations. You're probably a teacher at a Western university, in a city, and you probably have plenty of money to have things done right. But not everyone is in your situation. We're going to use these appliances, whether or not we know how. Even at risk. And we can't ask the manufacturer. We can't ask them, because they are legally bound to just say "do it how we said." I was asking to understand in real life, not the legalized pseudo-reality of the manufacturer where they don't give a shit if you live or die as long as they aren't liable in court. I fix electric heaters, too. I do so because they put elements in the heaters which cause them to break very quickly. But the heaters are still perfectly good, they simply want to be paid for a new heater. If you put the heater on a line where there is a lot of drop-off, the heater lasts for many years. But if you put it on a line nearer the electrical source, the heater burns out very quickly. They design it that way so you are bound to their industrial teat (heaters from the 70s before they learned to do planned obsolescence on them last for many years also). In the same way, they design electric plugs to be extremely tight, so that you struggle to get them out of the plug, putting yourself at a real risk of shock because you are struggling and you are liable to get your hands on the elements. They don't care, apparently, how people in real life use the plugs, so long as they aren't liable in court. I'd be happy to pay an extra dollar to have a snap on the plug so it wouldn't come out unless you wanted it to (as long as the snap wasn't manufactured to break). But they don't care (they also design the ground to break off extremely easily, so you either have to use it ungrounded, or buy a new one; and in court they can say you were using it improperly so they're not liable). I guess if you can't ask anyone for real knowledge, and you can't do everything according to some professionalized formula, you just have to take the risk and experiment with things and find your own solutions. B^e——C_ritical 16:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Popcorn Time

As it is an open source project, anyone can fork or create their own versions. Thus, unless the fork is officially endorsed or recognized as a continuation by the original authors, I consider the program in its current form, which is what was discussed by the article, to no longer exist, hence the past tense. ViperSnake151  Talk  06:14, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Namecheapblues

User:Namecheapblues

you sir, are a god.

one issue - people can't copy and past sections of your talk page, to spread the word. Is there a fix?

Are you familiar with WP:ARS? Namecheapblues (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

barnstar

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		This barnstar is awarded to User:Becritical a shining light to those who want to save the project. Namecheapblues (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, thanks (:

I don't know why you can't copy and paste sections of my talk page. Do you mean my userpage? I think that would require the appropriate tags being copied. B^e——C_ritical 00:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

fighting the echo chamber for the greater good

message one of three

User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#A_desperate_scream_from_outside_of_the_echo_chamber Namecheapblues (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

thanks

Thank you Namecheapblues (talk) 13:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

(: B^e——C_ritical 21:38, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

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