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Perhaps an unusual request

I see that you are an active adopter in addition to being an AFC person and I think that you may have the skills needed to help a new editor meet his goals of creating a neutral and effective article about his almost certainly notable brother. I fear that he may be inexpert enough to fail to be able to ask for adoption. So please look at Roland Werner and at the draft he is struggling with at Draft:Oswald Werner and consider offering him a helping hand.

Adoption is outside my skillset, and I have real life stresses impinging on me at present making me unsuitable to help him in detail. Normal external guidance (I can do that!) is not working as well as I would hope and I want him to have a good Wikipedia experience. Fiddle Faddle 23:58, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

@Timtrent: Hi Tim! I'm no longer an active adopter (thought I'd removed myself from that list) and between work and my professional pilot studies, I have little time for Wiki these days. However, I am always happy to reach-out and help my fellow man. So, I will offer my assistance to Roland, but I don't have time to write it for him. In its present form the article consists almost entirely of a lengthy copyrighted quote, which as I'm sure you know, is not allowed on Wikipedia. I'm going to remove that text as rewriting it to the point where it avoids close paraphrasing will take longer than writing something original. Also, the writing style of a laudatio does not really fit with an encyclopaedia and our WP:NPOV policy. In my experience, new editors who are writing an homage to a someone close to them often have a clear idea of what they want the article to look like, rather than what Wikipedia will accept the article looking like. If Roland can't adjust his vision, with help from other editors, then unfortunately it's likely he'll just end up fighting us for his preferred version. And we all know where that ends... Bellerophon _{talk to me} 10:49, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm grateful for even the smallest service we can do him. Oswald does appear to be worthy of inclusion, but not in this manner, as you say. If you can even simply open Roland's mind to advice and communication that will be a huge step in the right direction. Fiddle Faddle 11:30, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Baleraphon (How is the forbidded planet today?) seriously. I've written to Ghent Belguim for the "unresticted" use of the Copyright to the three pages out of a book of about 300 pages. The problem is; This introduction by prof Pixten is so good and summARIZES THE ACHIVEMENTS OF pROF oSWALD wERNER SO WELL. I could not possibly rephrase or paraphrase it and do it justice. Ossy lives in Albuquerque and I live in san Diego. (for the last 50 years) I do not know him professionally only our annual meetings for a week in New Mexico. And these have essentially taper off since he is 86 and infirm and i am 74 and don't travel much. I am counting on the folks at SARTON to give me permission. I sent a copy of the e-mail to Timtrent/ Fiddle. if this doe not work, I am ready to abandon this project. I will advise family and friends thru my xmas letter to Google Search:'Ethnoscience "Owsald Werner"' and wade thru hundreds of hits.Roland Werner 23:05, 2 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roland Werner (talk • contribs)

I suggest this migrate to Roland's talk page. I added some thoughts there. Fiddle Faddle 23:59, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Bellerophon- I am so upset over the developments re Draft:Oswald Werner that I need to take a hiatus and wait for word from Belgium. I still can not believe that your lowest common denominator for writing is "DULL", to quote Fiddle. Don't you celebrate heroes? I could understand your comments if OSSY were a product and I were trying to sell him; but Pixten is a third party in Prof Werner's specialty who was clearly able to summarize Prof. Oswald Werner, PhD vast contribution in three pages. That's why he receivved the award. and tthat's why I used it. For me to even reach some parity, I would have to read an awful lot of Ethnoscience. I do not define myself as a writer.Roland Werner 21:07, 3 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roland Werner (talk • contribs)

Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews

Hello Bellerophon. This message is part of a mass mailing to people who appear active in reviewing articles for creation submissions. First of all, thank you for taking part in this important work! I'm sorry this message is a form letter – it really was the only way I could think of to covey the issue economically. Of course, this also means that I have not looked to see whether the matter is applicable to you in particular.

The issue is in rather large numbers of copyright violations ("copyvios") making their way through AfC reviews without being detected (even when easy to check, and even when hallmarks of copyvios in the text that should have invited a check, were glaring). A second issue is the correct method of dealing with them when discovered.

If you don't do so already, I'd like to ask for your to help with this problem by taking on the practice of performing a copyvio check as the first step in any AfC review. The most basic method is to simply copy a unique but small portion of text from the draft body and run it through a search engine in quotation marks. Trying this from two different paragraphs is recommended. (If you have any question about whether the text was copied from the draft, rather than the other way around (a "backwards copyvio"), the Wayback Machine is very useful for sussing that out.)

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Some of the more obvious indicia of a copyvio are use of the first person ("we/our/us..."), phrases like "this site", or apparent artifacts of content written for somewhere else ("top", "go to top", "next page", "click here", use of smartquotes, etc.); inappropriate tone of voice, such as an overly informal tone or a very slanted marketing voice with weasel words; including intellectual property symbols (™,®); and blocks of text being added all at once in a finished form with no misspellings or other errors.

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Moved comment

Moved your comment [1] to be with the rest of the yes / no's to make it easier for the eventual closer -- you're more than welcome to revert, of course. NE Ent 22:58, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks. It just wasn't paying enough attention. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 00:26, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Your signature

Hello, Bellerophon. Like a lot of other users, I have the syntax highlighter gadget turned on in my preferences. It highlights URLs in blue, tags in pink, comments in green, etc., in the edit window, to make it easier to deal with the wikicode. However, because the tags in your signature are out of order, everything on talk pages from there on down is miscoloured. Would you mind moving the two "/span" tags before the square brackets instead of after, so that they match their corresponding "span" tags? It shouldn't change the appearance of your signature. Thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 05:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Anything for you, Anne :p I trust that has fixed it? Bellerophon _{talk to me} 08:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 00:41, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

2014 Jerusalem synagogue massacre RfC

I noticed you closed the RfC as consensus for "attack", but didn't make the page move. Would you mind doing so now (and also removing the dispute tag at the top of the article page)? Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 17:13, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

FormerIP has now done so. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 17:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Great. Thanks for the very thorough closing rationale, BTW. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. I like to think: the more I say at the time, the less people will ask me after the event. It doesn't always work... Bellerophon _{talk to me} 18:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Fellows of the Royal College of Radiologists

Hi Bellerophon,

You recently declined my request for the creation of the above category for the following reason 'reliable source conferning memebership please'....

This is the first category request I have made and I'm not sure what you are asking me to do?!!

Are you asking for confirmation of the existance of the organisation or for confirmation that the three example articles have all been elected as fellows?

I was not asked to verify any of this information when I created the page!!!....so why now???...and where am I supposed to place the source to verify the information...not at all clear to me...

Thanks, Gomach (talk) 22:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

@Gomach: Yes, I'm asking for a source that demonstrates they are fellows of the society in question. You can leave a link to the source here, on my talk page, if you like. What do you mean "I was not asked to verify any of this information when I created the page!!!....so why now???". Verifiability is one one of the pillars of Wikipedia. All content must be attributable to reliable sources. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 00:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Bellerophon,

I was referring to the actual 'category request form' itself, there is no mention of verifiabilty.

I took the three example articles from the main wikipedia page of the Royal College of Radiologists and automatically assumed that the FRCR information had been verified.

I will look for the information and hopefully have everything in place later today.

Thanks, Gomach (talk) 09:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello again,

I think the articles are ready for you to review. Thanks. Gomach (talk) 16:59, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Resolved

Bellerophon _{talk to me} 16:08, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Fellows of the Royal College of Radiologists

Hi,

Not sure if you read/noticed my last message above.....

Do I need to complete a new 'category request form' or can you edit the original you declined?

Thanks. Gomach (talk) 09:49, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

@Gomach: I was just about to create that cat for you when I saw some else already has. Was Category:Fellows of the Royal College of Radiologists the only category you requested in this field? Bellerophon _{talk to me} 16:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

@Bellerophon: Hi there,

Yes, that was my only request. Thanks for letting me know. Gomach (talk) 16:14, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:PERM Request

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Kezia Noble

Thanks for reviewing my article, I am very frustrated, the article was long to begin with, it had tons of references backing it up, I had all of the newspaper articles backing up the article, then the reviewer Cerebellum rejected my article because of the following reason:

For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS. That pretty much rules out the Daily Mail! Lose the bad references. If you can't replace them then lose the alleged facts they cite

Many of the references are regurgitated press releases and PR material. These must be replaced or removed, please. They provide an aura of faux notability which is not required and adds no value. Indeed it diminishes Wikipedia's value. Get rid of them. If you can't replace them then lose the alleged facts they cite.

I then removed some references, then left the reviewer a message, he told me to remove even more references, then I did, he said it's not enough, then he went and removed 3/4 of the article, he removed EVERY one of the references and only left 2. Then he said "now you have a better chance at getting your article reviewed."

I've spent hundreds of hours on this article, now I just want to do anything to get it accepted. I have honestly lost all hopes after trusting all the past reviewers, and now I saw your reason for rejection and I can't help but think of all the hard work gone to waste after a reviewer just decided to remove all of my references and hard work. Is there any way you can accept it? Wiki.017 (talk) 18:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

This is a message the past reviewer left me: I removed the entire "Media Appearances" section; those interviews, for the most part, don't help us to write a good article about Noble. We need to know what she has done (the Romance Files interview is good for that), not her opinions on topics like "What is the best pickup line you have ever heard."

I had an entire media appearances section and he just went and removed the entire thing. This is SO unfair. I know you will understand my frustration, it's been going on for months and I just want to see the article accepted - is there any way you can help? The article might not contain her media appearances anymore, but it's still credible. I can always expand on the article in the future, once I gain a little hope after it's been accepted. Thanks Wiki.017 (talk) 18:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wiki.017: I do understand your frustration. Opinions on the reliability of Huffington Post and the Daily Mail do vary on Wikipedia (admittedly the DM rarely escapes a slating) but Articles for Creation is not the venue to rule on such matters. The appropriate venues for such matters are the reliable sources noticebord and/or articles for deletion. I see that an article for Kezia was deleted in 2010, but the resulting discussion was painfully thin and that decision is now four years old. That being a reasonable amount of time for Kezia's notability to improve (potentially). The articles for creation process is a basic filtering service that allows new or unregistered users to propose an article for creation. It is not, per se, a system of peer review. The standard reviewers normally operate to is 1) "Does the article violate policy to such an extent that it would be eligible for speedy deletion" 2) "does the article stand a chance of surviving an AfD nomination". If it passes both those tests, typically it is accepted. I cannot pass comment on User:Cerebellum's rationale as I did not see the state of the draft at the time of their review. You have two problems with this draft: 1) it is about a living person, therefore biographical information must be attributed to sources that can reasonably be presumed to be accurate and reliable. Obviously, controversial information must be held to higher scrutiny than uncontroversial information. 2) both the content of article and the references that support the content of the article, must, when taken together, demonstrate why the subject of the article is notable enough to be included in an encyclopaedia. Newspaper articles covering the subject typically confer some measure of notability, but may not be reliable sources of biographical information. Typically, sources written by the subject, such as their website, are considered worthless for establishing notability, but are usually reliable for establishing basic biographical information, such as their full name or date of birth. Niche publications, including magazines and blogs that have a limited reader base are typically of no value at all. Make sense? Bellerophon _{talk to me} 19:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Here is what the article looked like before I had a go at it. Not sure if I improved it or not, and it's quite possible my review was too harsh. --Cerebellum (talk) 03:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

User:Cerebellum, thank you for the preview of what the article used to look like. :@Bellerophon.017: Please could you take a look at it and let me know what you think of the article prior to getting the media appearances deleted? Would you be able to approve of it if I re-added the media appearances? Wiki.017 (talk) 17:09, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wiki.017: In order for me to accept this draft, you will need to add reliable reference(s) that evidence her biographical info (date of birth, where she was born, height etc), that's the reason I declined it. Don't re-add the media appearances section, it's smacks of being needlessly self-effacing. The draft could do with a few more good quality sources to shore up her notability; however, now I know there are some I don't mind adding them myself once you're fixed the problem with verifying her biographical info. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 17:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

@Bellerophon: I have referenced her birth date, and the same website states her birth place too. However, her height isn't referenced on any live online sources. Shall I remove her height? I just want to do whatever it takes to get the article live, I know you understand me and I really appreciate your help. Wiki.017 (talk) 20:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

@Wiki.017: I have made some changes to the draft in order for it to pass muster. I am currently waiting on a response from the administrator who protected the article title from creation in 2010. If he removes the protection, I will create the article. Also, please stop using the ping template on my talk page, you don't need to ping me to my own talk page. Similarly, my username is just Bellerophon not Bellerophon.017... Bellerophon _{talk to me} 17:03, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok thank you, and apologies for using the ping. Let's hope he removes the protection! Wiki.017 (talk) 20:28, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

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 Fixed Bellerophon _{talk to me} 00:53, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Toxgnostics

It appears that you declined this article, but it is now in mainspace.... I am not familiar with the AfC process, but is this how it is supposed to work? The article doesn't seem ready for prime time yet. Thx Jytdog (talk) 13:46, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

It was moved into mainspace by the page creator. There is no policy against this, but it's generally frowned upon. It will still appear in the new page feed and you are entitled to take any editorial action you feel is appropriate, including nominating it for deletion. This subject is not really my area of expertise. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 17:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

hm. i need to spend some time to learn about the AfC process. strange that someone takes the time to review an article and that time is just blown off! thanks for answering. Jytdog (talk) 17:56, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Exostar

The page I created on Exostar was deleted, after I took out the items that could be construed as promotional. On the speedy deletion memo, it said the page would be fine if I deleted anything that was promotional. The page is about a joint venture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Va23Tarheel (talk • contribs) 22:05, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

@Va23Tarheel: The entire tone of the page was unambiguously promotional and even after you removed the blatant copyright violations, it was still heavily laden with close paraphrasing. The article would have required a lengthy fundamental rewrite to be acceptable and such circumstances justify deletion. If you want to rewrite the page, please do so entirely in your own words and after reading WP:NPOV and WP:PEACOCK. Moreover, write a draft article in your sandbox and ask an experienced editor to review it before putting it in the mainspace. Following this advice will make it far less likely that you efforts will be summarily deleted. Please feel free to ask me any more questions you have. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 00:51, 16 January 2015 (UTC);

Actually, after I removed the information that was taken from their website for the wiki, i made it almost bare bones. The leftover paragraphs weren't closely paraphrased at all and it listed outside references. In any case, thanks for the advise; I'll try writing the page in the draft space.Va23Tarheel (talk) 18:46, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't know. I edited my name, is that ok?Va23Tarheel (talk) 18:46, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely :) Bellerophon _{talk to me} 19:14, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Little Venice Pilates Article Deletion

With regard to my article that you have marked for deletion. I do not have any problem with the sentiment and reason - that it lacks notability - however the nature of your message is completely out of order and bordering on offensive. Wikipedia has little enough people editing it without apparently senior "editors" resorting to juvenile elitist garbage on other peoples work. Your message offered no constructive criticism and lacked any sense of maturity or intelligence.

Its very easy to slag-off other peoples work and your comment paid no regard for the genuine sentiment I tried to convey in the article. We all make mistakes - however your "self appointed" critical assessment brings no credit to the great work that is Wikipedia. I believe it will not encourage people who wish to participate for fear of public ridicule. May I suggest in future that if you are making statements in regard to articles you do it with maturity and a positive viewpoint to try and encourage the right way of doing something - not simply ridiculing the work of others with impunity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davyrobertson (talk • contribs) 19:22, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

@Davyrobertson: I'm very sorry you feel the comments were bordering on offensive; it was not my intention to be so. The way in which the article had been written seemed to suggest that 'this subject is notable because famous people go here'. My comments were intended to reflect this error and form a rationale for deletion—rather than at you personally. Having re-read what I wrote, I can see now why I may have come across as giving rather short shrift, and I apologise to you for that. However, may I suggest in future that if you decide to rebuke another editor at their talk page you do so in the very spirit you prescribe. Namely, without resorting to personal attacks such as labelling them: juvenile, elitist and immature. Finally, and in all sincerity, if you would like some help in your Wiki activities please feel free to ask and I will offer you any assistance I can. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 00:42, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Racing circuits designed by Hermann Tilke

Yes, adding Category:Racing circuits designed by Hermann Tilke would be a good idea... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.101.0 (talk) 14:38, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Dakar Rally winning vehicles

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The Deletion of the Article on Luiz Palhares

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your comments on behalf of the article I wrote on Mr. Palhares. Both Mr. Palhares and I were disappointed that Mr. Palhares accomplishments were deemed not notable enough to warrant an article. As was noted in the closing comments it was a borderline case. As this was my first Wikipedia article I was certainly disappointed on that front as well.

I was in Jacksonville Florida on business recently and stopped in to meet Mr. Palhares at his facility. I asked him if he was aware of any further documentation I could site to support a claim of notability. He provided me with a number of plaques and citations he has received over the last 35 years from the Gracie family and others for his work in helping Brazilian jiu-jitsu grow into what it is today. (Mr. Palhares is considered in jiu-jitsu circles as one of the first generation to popularize the art around the world.) I have attached photographs of these citations from Charles Gracie, Royce Gracie, Dan Inosanto, and The Special Forces in support of his notability. I told him I didn't think such items would be the sort of thing that could serve as adequate references for Wikipedia. I submit them for your consideration as I am not familiar with the rules that govern such things on Wikipedia. I don't want to ask for a Deletion Review and waste peoples time if these items can't be submitted to support a claim of notability.

Thank you Sciambro Sciambro (talk) 18:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Sciambro. You're welcome. The images you tried to add were not uploaded becuase your account has not yet achieved autoconfirmed status, which is required to upload media. However, from your desription of them I believe that you are right that they would not help Palhares' claim of notability. If the article is to be recreated we will need to provide evidence of significant coverage of Palhares in independent published sources (such as widely circulated magazines, published books [preferably in English], Newspapers etc.) and there must be several of them. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 18:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

RfC - Helper Script access

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Commented Bellerophon _{talk to me} 18:45, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

MoD Police

Whatever the UK does or does not recognize is irrelevant, They are what they are IAW Ministry_of_Defence_Police_Act_1987 which limits their general authority to Defense Estates except by MOU's et al with local forces or in case of dire emergency> Did you even read the article in question?--Degen Earthfast (talk) 00:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

@Degen Earthfast: Actually, I wrote most of the article in question. You're description of their authority is rather naive. It is not irrelevant that you have labeled a police force according to a term with is meaningless in the context of the subject concerned. That's like saying "I can describe the Palace of Westminster as a place of federal government". It's complete nonsense. In any case, I would be happy with describing them in the opening sentence as:

• The Ministry of Defence Police (MDP) is a police force which is part of the United Kingdom's Ministry of Defence.

Or

• The Ministry of Defence Police (MDP) is a special police force which is part of the United Kingdom's Ministry of Defence.

Are either of those acceptable to you? Bellerophon _{talk to me} 00:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

One, get off your high horse, two, as a retired USAF Security Police Officer with 30 (on and off) experience working alongside said MoD Police at places like RAF's Bolton Wood, Leakenheath, Mildenhall, and Sculthorpe, amongst others. I have worked with them no matter what whimsical MoD plan decided to do with them AND most of the ones that I still know and commune with refer to themselves as glorified security guards. They are for all practical intents and purposes security police. You know, civil police working for a government agency primarily to protect it's property. Like me.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 01:21, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Funnily, being stationed on Sculthorpe had it's problems as we had no billets and thus shared Block/billets on RAF West Raynum with the RAF Police. Transporting weapons back and forth was somewhat problematical due to the UK's anti-gun laws.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 01:36, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Any response I was about to give you is made irrelevant by the fact that User:Rob984 reverted Degen 2½ hours ago, i.e. when I was asleep. Nyttend (talk) 14:18, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks for the message. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 14:21, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. I was leaning against doing it, because from my outsider perspective it didn't seem like something that warranted my involvement, i.e. the only reason to sanction Degen would be for edit-warring. I closed the ANI thread simply to prevent the possibility of reaching different conclusions in parallel discussions, since it was at both ANI and AN3. I stand by my statement at AN3, that if he makes a single additional reversion, a block will be warranted. Nyttend (talk) 14:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Black mamba

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Black mamba you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of FunkMonk -- FunkMonk (talk) 18:40, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Image question

Hi, and I hope you’re able to help me.

I have been successfully uploading images onto Wikimedia Commons since 2010, without difficulty.

I’ve recently been informed that some of the photographs I have uploaded over the last few months would be deleted unless I could verify their copyright status. The messages looked like this:

I went into each image and the copyright was shown as {{own}} so I could not see the problem. Trying to use the help facility I went round and round in circles and it was very unhelpful and frustrating. I did change {{own}} to {{self photographed}} on each image just so a change could be seen and received each of them, but they have now been deleted.

At the beginning of my talk page I’m welcomed by Jimmy Pitt, but he has since retired, so I cannot contact him:

Welcome, MrArmstrong2! Hello, MrArmstrong2, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions! I'm Jimmy Pitt, one of the many editors here, and I hope you'll like it here enough to decide to stay.

This media was probably deleted. A file that you have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, File:William Algernon Churchill in 1921 aged 56.JPG, was missing information about where it comes from or who created it, which is needed to verify its copyright status. The file probably has been deleted. If you've got all required information, request undeletion providing this information and the link to the concerned file (File:William Algernon Churchill in 1921 aged 56.JPG). If you created the content yourself, enter {{own}} as the source. If you did not add a licensing template, you must add one. You may use, for example, {{self}} or {{Cc-zero}} to release certain rights to your work.

If someone else created the content, or if it is based on someone else's work, the source should be the address to the web page where you found it, the name and ISBN of the book you scanned it from, or similar. You should also name the author, provide verifiable information to show that the content is in the public domain or has been published under a free license by its author, and add an appropriate template identifying the public domain or licensing status, if you have not already done so.

Please add the required information for this and other files you have uploaded before adding more files. If you need assistance, please ask at the help desk. Thank you!

Although I am a proficient HTML programmer there are aspects of Wikipedia which I find very frustrating and the code on images is one of the least friendly, and it's not at all clear how you edit it:

I would be most grateful if you can let me know what I’m doing wrong as far as assigning freedom of use to each of the images is concerned. MrArmstrong2 (talk) 17:09, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

The file was deleted on commons by Fastily. You really need to be taking this up on commons rather than Wikipedia. From a brief look at events though it would appear that there was no source specified for the image. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 11:26, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on WP:AN#Closure review: Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script

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Question

Dear Bellerophon,

Why am I being accused of sock puppetry? This is the only Wikipedia account I have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedSasori15 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Because the behavioural pattern of your editing strongly suggests a connection with another banned user. A checkuser report may be able to confirm or dismiss that connection. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 09:22, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Andrew Korda

Hello there! I stumbled upon this article a few days back, and was bold enough to attempt a copy edit in my sandbox. Given you performed some edits on this article before, could you leave me some feedback? It's been tough finding non-primary sources, I have to say. Anyway, thanks for your help, CesareAngelotti (talk) 15:37, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

@CesareAngelotti: No problem, I have made a couple of concisions to the text in the career section, which looks fine now. However, the 'early life' and 'personal life' sections are problematical because they are entirely unsourced (with the exception of the reference showing he donates money to classical music causes). Where has this information come from? I'm not so concerned about this information being cited to non-primary sources, a primary source would be fine for the biographical information as there is nothing controversial about it. But it needs some kind of source per WP:BLP. Also, the Urogynaecology section is essentially entirely unsourced. The one ref there makes brief mention of Korda's view on young people experiencing incontinence, but nothing more. Lastly, I would rename the Bibliography section to "Selected publications" and remove any they he didn't author or was not the lead editor on. Hope that helps? Bellerophon _{talk to me} 16:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that! I understand that perfectly. I think I took the info from some obscure old ABC interview transcript somewhere...I'll see if I can find it again. With the internet not paying much attention to non-celebrities, this takes a lot more time than it should. Thank you very much for the help, CesareAngelotti (talk) 16:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome! Bellerophon _{talk to me} 09:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Black mamba

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@FunkMonk: Thankyou very much for your patience and guidance with this. It's been an enjoyable learning experience :) Bellerophon _{talk to me} 12:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome, keep them coming! FunkMonk (talk) 15:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I shall, Jameson's mamba is next on my list. Much work to do on that one though. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 09:15, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Ouch, green letters in the taxobox? What's up with that? FunkMonk (talk) 09:26, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

No idea, the huge table for two subspecies is also an eyesore. Don't even get me started on List of dangerous snakes... Bellerophon _{talk to me} 15:35, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Removal of image from Uni Lad

The image you removed from Uni Lad was perfectly legitimate and was screenshotted from the Uni Lad website at the height of the controversy. You say in your edit summary that the image "appears to come from a different site and [b]reaches FU". It didn't and it doesn't. —Tom Morris (talk) 08:49, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

@Tom Morris: Ok, my comments were based on the apparent logo used by the (now archived) version of the website, which is different. In all honesty I'd failed to see the image was uploaded by you and I had formulated the impression it had been added by someone acting on behalf of Unilad.co.uk, hence my reference to breaching FU. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 09:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Question about Ghaleb Husseini

Hello Bellerophon,

thank you for being so gentle to the newbie :D so I rewrote most of the article. Sorry about the copying, I meant to refine the article later. Please tell me what you think about it now (btw it is posted on the talk page now as instructed). Also, do you have any idea on how I can put up a picture online for him. I put a picture earlier and it was taken down for copyrights. The website I took it from was from a school's magazine which I didn't think would have strict copyrights. Here is a link to the picture:

http://magazine.byu.edu/issues/86/1261/1597.jpg

THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT HELP :) Kind Regards, Pierre Kawak Pierre Kawak (talk) 02:41, 3 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierre Kawak (talk • contribs) 02:26, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Pierre, you're welcome. I've moved your rewritten text to the main draft page, the draft is off to a good start but there a few more improvements I would like to see made before it is accepted. There are quite a few third-party sources available on the internet that discuss Husseini. It is important that Wikipedia articles contain references to third-party sources in order that we can evidence that someone has received the attention of others. References in newspapers, magazine interviews etc are all good for that purpose. Please try and locate some of these types of sources and add them to the draft. Here's one example: http://gulftoday.ae/portal/0ecc60a2-696b-4d3c-b625-6274f672aa55.aspx

On the subject of sourcing, it will also help the article, and other readers of Wikipedia, if you use more detailed citations for the references in the draft. See WP:INTREF for an introduction to referencing and WP:Citation templates for some specific citation templates for various types of sources. details citations are important to prevent WP:LINKROT. Bellerophon _{talk to me} 02:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello man,

Thank you for the nice comments. I fixed the things you asked and resubmitted :D (since it got declined before I could fix the referencing)

Kind Regards, Pierre Kawak — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierre Kawak (talk • contribs) 12:10, 7 March 2015 (UTC)