User talk:Bignole/Archive/2012/May

The Avengers (2012 film)

Thought you'd want to be aware that Denny has made his 4th revert, which I'm reporting but can't revert myself, and that he's disregarding what was beginning to be a constructive discussion on the talk page. *Sigh*. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

This is a neutral notice of what may be a brewing edit war at The Avengers (2012 film) regarding the consensus comprise re: Thanos. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Can we work on something together to make the layout better. I agree that alternating left and right is good. We have two images each looking off the page right now, though, so would we able to find a solution that takes care of both issues? Let's each look at the article again and come up with a couple of ideas. Sound OK? --Tenebrae (talk) 22:53, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Whedon is two sections down from the cast image, far off the page-scroll, so I don't think stacking is a problem there. And the two images under filming can go either left or right. What do you think of Whedon at right and the two filming images at left? That still doesn't solve the problem of the cast image, but given the bullet points on the left in the cast section, that may be insurmountable. Still, having one image looking off the page is better than having two of them. What do you think? --Tenebrae (talk) 22:57, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, since we're not showing his hands, I don't see why not. Since you came up with brains, I can do the brawn (if you want to call fingers on a keyboard brawn). --Tenebrae (talk) 00:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

My thinking exactly. I was just about to upload it to its own page with the old license, which does allow for altering / transforming. Gimme a few seconds.... --Tenebrae (talk) 00:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, let me know what you think. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:24, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Red links

Please explain why it is OK for list of hospitals in California to have masses of red links but is unacceptable for Halloween (franchise) to have even one red link. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Ruffalo's performance

I was actually thinking the same thing, but I still question whether it should be included under the photo - is there something about that aspect of his performance, as noted by a single critic, that justifies inclusion there over all the other notes in the body? I think noting that Ruffalo's performance was lauded by many critics under the photo is enough; details, reasoning, and specific accolades can be found in the body as you noted.

Up to you, not worth making a thing of it. --Williamsburgland (talk) 03:02, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Again, I'm not too concerned and I agree with you re: discussions. I'm sure the article can be fine tuned once the release related fervor dies down.

Cheers.--Williamsburgland (talk) 03:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Spidey logo

Would you be willing to find a free use image on that...unless there is a fair use licensing for something like that I don't know about? Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

What about the fair use image of the fake wanted poster stating that it lead to the particular web site or something. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:41, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

New filming images I created on the The Amazing Spider-Man film article. If you know how to make that bottom image a little smaller or better. Please do. Keep up the good work. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 01:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't really happy at what happened last night. It was a real spirit breaker. For that wasn't the only thing I failed to do yesterday outside of Wikipedia. But I do appreciate you looking out for the article when it goes out of hand and I had to tell myself if there is one thing that I am going to do right on Wikipedia is I am always going to get along to the good contributors like yourself. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 12:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Neutral notice

This is a neutral notice that an edit-war appears to be occurring at The Dictator (2012 film) and other editors are invited to observe and weigh in to keep it from escalating. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:38, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for being a calm voice of reason. I think you headed off what was turning into an ugly situation. Sometimes it just takes an outside voice, and I thank you for providing that. You're one of the good ones. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:42, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Have you started the Smallville Season 11 article yet?

I just bought the first issue today.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 19:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I adding little more details with Lex Luthor (Smallville)--NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I added a detail on OMAC (comics), which is Smallville related

Avengers

We're in kind of a complicated spot, obviously. Without a modifier, it looks like an erroneous duplicate of "Opening Weekend for Any Film", with a different previous record listed. If we can't properly add a modifier, we may want to remove it entirely until we know what to do with it.

In looking at the way BOM does it, it looks like they take the entire gross and adjust it, then calculate the opening weekend by the percentage of the final gross, as opposed to any valuation on the tickets themselves (observe that the percentages remain the same in any adjustment). Technically correct as the portion of opening tickets to final gross would be correct (and uninfluenced by ticket prices themselves). At least, that's the way it looks. Thoughts? Rickie-d (talk) 15:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

• Actually, if we have alternative calculations, can we list those in addition? Perhaps put the varying adjusted totals (or a range) up instead and use those as references too? Rickie-d (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Inflation at the box office

In economics, inflation is a rise in the general level of prices of goods and services in an economy over a period of time. But at the box office, as you can see here, the change in average ticket price is not always consistent with the general increase of prices of goods and services in general, which is what Tom's Inflation Calculator calculates (for example the avg. ticket price for 2012 has decreased, compared to 2011). At Box Office Mojo, as explained here and more extensively here, they use the annual ticket price to determine the inflation-adjusted gross for a movie. Spinc5 (talk) 16:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

In reading up, I'm understanding what Bignole is saying. We could, theoretically, include both the current ticket-adjusted record (as "adjusted for ticket pricing") and the dollar-adjusted record (as "adjusted for inflation"). Thoughts? Rickie-d (talk) 16:05, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I dont't think we need both, because what will happen is that the films below The Avengers will just be less. It will not change the rankings at all. That said, I think the page should reflect that BOM is referring to adjusted ticket prices, and not actually what the dollar is worth.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:12, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

However, the record it's beating is different in each case (which is part of the problem). In one case The Dark Knight was the previous record holder, and in the other it was Harry Potter 7, Part 2. Rickie-d (talk) 16:21, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I think that, based on the definition of inflation, 'what the dollar is worth' and 'annual average ticket prices' reflect the same thing, because the value that the dollar has each year is determined by the price of goods (in this case movie tickets). Spinc5 (talk) 16:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

But they don't reflect the same thing. Inflation of the dollar results in Harry being the old winner, while inflation of the ticket price gives it to Batman. Rickie-d (talk) 16:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Where did you find that inflating the dollar makes Harry the old winner? Spinc5 (talk) 16:39, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Our own page. Takes the amount and adjusts it to the constant dollar of 2012. Rickie-d (talk) 16:48, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I've just left comments at the talk page there. That article doesn't specify where those inflation-adjusted figures come from. It appears to be a Wikipedian's [[WP:NOR|OR]. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:13, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Ticket prices and dollar inflation are not calculated the same way. The rise in ticket prices is not based on the worth of the dollar itself, but the overall rise in consumer goods. Tom's HalfHill Calculator is measuring the actual weight of the dollar. That is why if you put the opening weekend of The Dark Knight in the calculator it is about 10 million less than what BOM is recording, because they are basing their figures on the average price of tickets and not the actual weight of the dollar this year. Yes, there is a correlation between ticket prices and weight of the dollar, but my point is that they are not proportional figures. Meaning, it isn't an equal fluctuation each year. How far the price of tickets increases/decreases does not match the same percentage of increase/decrease in the weight of the dollar. Overall, it does not affect the rankings really, but it does change the literal figures. That is why I think just clarifying "adjusted ticket prices" is the best solution at this time.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Another good point. The trade magazines all seem to use national-average ticket price when they do adjusted lists, and not an inflation scale. I'd support you on "adjusted ticket prices" and, separately I think we're on the same page about not using the amateur site Tom's Calculator as any sort of definitive mechanism.--

Template talk:Infobox film

Our mutual friend Ring Cinema still has an axe to grind... --Rob Sinden (talk) 17:18, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Neutral notice

This is a neutral notice to frequent editors of The Avengers (2012 film) that the page may be in danger of an edit-war, with one editor unilaterally changing the first line in a way contrary to consensus determined by admin J Greb here. For the sake of the article's stability, editors may wish to paye attention to this page.--Tenebrae (talk) 13:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

web shooter design.

This is a design image used on a viral campaign. Could this qualify as a image representation in a design section similiar to how Prometheus (film) does their's. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 20:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I am glad we can get a maybe approval over one image. I will see if I improve it be testing how it looks because I am not all the way sure about it mainly because the section is not that big and already has a quote box on it. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 21:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok the commentary...what do you think? Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:23, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

"You can then move the next image to the right, then lower the image after that a bit and put that on the left." Are you referring to the the two merged images on the filming section with this comment. If so you want them divided? Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:46, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Kind of like now? Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 23:15, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

...also if I didn't do it right. You can step in. One less edit for me to worry about. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 23:43, 26 May 2012 (UTC)