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April 2023[edit]

Information icon Hello, Billumian47. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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The charge of conflict of interest is preposterous. I have only given the list of my publications with details about where they were published and when. Shouldn't one do that? Additionally l have mentioned three awards won by my books for the category Best Non-fiction book. Does mentioning that constitute a conflict of interest? Please advise. 2001:2042:3007:5800:7C87:ED04:ABF6:4396 (talk) 18:04, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The person using this account claimed to be the subject of the article. Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships. - see WP:COI.
If you want to have information re-added to the article, please make edit requests on the talk page, Talk:Ishtiaq Ahmed (political scientist). You can either tag your requests with {{request edit}} or use the Edit Request Wizard, whichever is easiest. The long list of publications was not very useful to include; notable awards received would be very useful to include, but you will need to provide reliable sources to corroborate them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I quote you, 'Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships'. That is a very strange formulation. I am a retired professor of political science from Stockholm University. The university has conferred on me the title of professor emeritus. Isn't that necessary information about me. I have said nothing about my family or income or anything. Where is the conflict of interest? Also,as professor my publications are the only substantive part of why professional life. Why should mentioning the list of my publications be a conflict of interest? Do you mean you doubt that they are my work? Also, you say that the awards my books have won need to be verified. How does one do that? The two awards won for the book on the Punjab partition are given on the front book cover and the one for the book on Jinnah can be published only when the next reprint or new edition is published. Do you doubt that I won such awards? More importantly, please inform me in what way you want these awards to be verified. One thing more, all such information had been inserted on the Wikipedia entry and had remained their for years. What has happened now that so much doubt and suspicion about me you have developed? I must also point out that every year I have made monetary donations to Wikipedia. Please check your records. I think your current stand on me is hostile and unjustified. Billumian47 (talk) 18:42, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what's causing the confusion here. The article is about Ishtiaq Ahmed (political scientist). You say you are Ishtiaq Ahmed (political scientist). Therefore, per our policy, you have a conflict of interest. The article is about you. Please do not directly edit articles which are about you.
Donations are handled entirely by the Wikimedia Foundation; editors here "on the ground" have nothing to do with it and definitely don't see any of the money. Whether you donate or not will have no effect on how you are treated.
Inappropriate information often remains on Wikipedia for years, both because our policies change (so appropriate information may one day become inappropriate) and because anyone can add just about anything they want to an article, appropriate or no.
Please read the following page: WP:reliable sources. All information on Wikipedia must be verifiable to a reliable source. We're especially strict about information in biographies of living people, which includes the article under discussion here. If a reliable source has reported on the award(s) you've received, that is what you would cite when making an edit request. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:04, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean, l should not add information about me? That makes no sense really. Indeed the original entry was by someone else. I have only added information about my publications which can be verified by checking up the publication details. What other procedure you consider credible,,,? Also, what about the book awards l have won? What would be acceptable from your point of view? 2001:2042:3007:5800:7C87:ED04:ABF6:4396 (talk) 19:29, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, please do not add information about you directly to your article (or to other articles). This is to ensure our articles remain as neutral as possible - quite an idealistic goal, but we all try our best.
Perhaps reading WP:NOTCV will help you understand why the list of publications was removed. Articles on academics do normally include a Selected publications section, but it is a selected publications section, not an exhaustive one. It should only contain a short list of someone's most important work. It should not be comprehensive. If you select a few of your most discussed, most widely read, best received publications and put that list into an edit request, it may get added. It would help if you included links or citations to other scholars talking about those publications, proving that they are worthy of inclusion.
You haven't said which awards you've won, so I can only speak in generalities. It's obvious, for example, that winning a Pulitzer Prize would be worthy of note. Same for the Jnanpith Award or the August Prize. There's a huge list of such things at List of literary awards. There are also many non-notable awards out there in the world, though; a little-known local award probably wouldn't merit a mention. And sometimes there are other problems - for instance, occasionally we get filmmakers claiming they won a Dadasaheb Phalke Award when it was actually one of these. So we have to be careful. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:55, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The three awards the highest possible in Pakistan and India and they are all for non-fiction.
1. The book Punjab Bloodied, Partitioned and Cleansed, won the Best Non-fiction Book award at the Karachi Literature Festival in 2013. The same award was given it at the Lahore Literary Festival also in 2013. Both awards are given in Pakistan.
The third was for Jinnah: His Successes, Failures and Role in History. This it won at the Valley of Words, Cultural and Literary Festival, Dehradun, India.
How would you asses the stature of these awards objectively if you doubt them because your information on these countries and their awards is deficient? 2001:2042:3007:5800:7C87:ED04:ABF6:4396 (talk) 20:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My quick assessment is that both the Karachi Literature Festival and Lahore Literary Festival have a good claim to being notable, which means an award from them would be worth mentioning. Wikipedia doesn't have anything about the Valley of Words festival, unfortunately.
I think Punjab Bloodied, Partitioned and Cleansed would probably merit being mentioned in your article; in fact, if you can produce 2-3 independent critical reviews of the book, it might merit an article itself. See our notability criteria for books. I recently wrote and published (via Articles for Creation) a short article on a non-fiction book, The Life and Death of Planet Earth - if you're curious about how such an article on your book would look, there's an easy example. Note the Reception section and the references I used, those are the vital parts. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:31, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been significantly improved thanks to editor Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I will leave another link to the talk page here, for easy access in the future: Talk:Ishtiaq Ahmed (political scientist). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for mentioning a selection of two my books and one article. My book, Pakistan the Garrison State - Origins, Evolution, Consequences 1947 - 2011,°Karachi: Oxford University Press, 2013, 2020 is now standard reference on civil-military relations and is on the reading list of the central superior services exam in Pakistan. Actually, also, The Concept of an Islamic State: An Analysis of the Ideological Controversy in Pakistan, London: Frances Pinter, 1987 remains one of the most quoted book of mine in the Social Science Index. I wonder how you assess the value of a book or an article to include it in my wikipedia entry. Lately, two articles have been been published in the peer-reviewed journal Roundtable which focuses on the British Commonwealth and is based in Dublin, Northern Ireland. Anyhow, thank you for improving the entry on me. Billumian47 (talk) 18:45, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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