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New and notes. Could you take a look, please? I'd like the 100 FAs to be enclosed within a banner, but the only one I know includes everything underneath it (like the secondary main story and In briefs) at the top of the enclosure when you open it up. That's why I've had to put it at the bottom of the page. Do you have a solution? Hmm ... and it's still not right. And it would be much better if at the bottom of the first main story, which was the intention. And my in briefs have disappeared, so I'm not having a good time of it. Tony (talk) 08:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Pine is in there trying to fix it right now. Tony (talk) 08:11, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm technically incompetent, so I can't suggest a solution off-hand – but if it's the enclosed list that's causing the problem, do we really need the list? We didn't include one in the Wehwalt tribute interview, when he became the first to top the century. Why not provide a simple link to the WP:FAN page? But I'll be happy to accept any solution that gets the stuff printed quickly. Brianboulton (talk) 08:35, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

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FA congratulations (again)

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Thorpe affair to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR (specific and non-specific date slots) and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. BencherliteTalk 18:21, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for the interview with Casliber! Pine✉ 20:50, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

By the way

When you inevitably become the third featured article centurion, I claim interview! =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:47, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Tomorrow

Following an email from Wehwalt, I've sent you an email about tomorrow. Yours, BencherliteTalk 16:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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Coin

I neglected to mention during our enjoyable meeting that I had Liberty Head double eagle at FAC. Thank you and I look forward to your next PR to divert me in the days ahead.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I have noticed the coin, and started work on it - some comments will be posted before long. Whether my next PR will divert or depress you is a moot point, but it will be up some time next week. Meanwhile, on to Svalbard! Wear something warm. Brianboulton (talk) 16:25, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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My songs

Thank you for your help in the peer review of my songs! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

It was a pleasure. I hadn't kept up with the article history, and I see that it was promoted to FA three months ago! Belated congratulations, and don't hestitate to ask for further reviews. Brianboulton (talk) 13:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
It's "on" now, 300 years after the Pentecostal premiere, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
... and now the composer who has my name in an opera title ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Indeed, and a strange and fascinating little opera it is, too. Not often performed – if you get the chance to hear or see it, take it. Gerda only appears in the last of the eleven scenes, but she's the one who gets the guy. Brianboulton (talk) 15:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I would like to see it. The first mentioning of the piece was when we performed his lovely to be sung of a Summer Night on the Water. (Group will perform the Mass in B minor in 2015, after a break of two years!) Completely different style: I just saw Mahagonny for the first time, and the soprano will get an article one of these days. I will not mention her name because otherwise it will be started by someone else, and I can't add you-know-what ;) (I used to have red links for my projects on my user page until The Company of Heaven.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

SS Arctic disaster

Peering through the keyhole at your work in progress in search of typos I am moved to ask whether we're in BrEng or AmEng. Quite see why the latter would be suitable, but at present the text is a mix of both. Should I shut up till the work in progress banner is off and it's ho for peer review!? Tim riley talk 18:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

American subject, ship, personnel almost entirely, therefore AmEng seems appropriate. The trouble is, I'm bad at it. I'm still working on this (I've just "corrected" harbor), and the article will be on PR by Tuesday – perhaps you'd look at this aspect (inter alia) then? Gary G said he'd check it out, but he's on the high seas at the moment, and in the circumstances I'm a little hesitant about asking him, though I'm sure he'd oblige. Brianboulton (talk) 19:13, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Shall wait and leap in then. I'm not all that bad at AmEmg and Ssilvers rescues me when necessary. Meanwhile please stop putting the evil eye on GG's cruise ship! Tim riley talk 21:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Graham Colm is a whizz - he knew that the Americans spell artefacts with an i! Brianboulton (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
God bless and save us! Mind you, the OED admits "artifact" as an inferior alternative to "artefact". And, yes, Graham C knows of what he speaks. Tim riley talk 21:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
One of the things l learnt recently is their rather odd punctuation regarding dates: a comma follows the year in the full date format (unless followed by other punctuation), according to the MOS... - SchroCat (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Shall look at the PR today. Tim riley talk 07:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Fred

Delius has survived the front page unharmed, thanks to the gallant guerilla campaign against the green-ink brigade waged by some of Wikipedia's bravest and best. One or two of the remaining alterations are a touch prissy, perhaps, but nothing to damage the prose. Unless you feel strongly to the contrary I propose to leave it as it is. Tim riley talk 07:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree – no damage done, let it be. Brianboulton (talk) 10:15, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Bottomley

Am searching. Not much luck so far but watch this space. Meanwhile I am sending you by email a drawing of the trial from the ILN in 1922 that you may think worth considering. Tim riley talk 20:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks – I will check out the email in the morning (that system's closed for the night). Brianboulton (talk) 22:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
No luck so far. I've ordered three pre-WWI books by/about him at the BL and will toddle down in an hour or so to see if any of them contain any of the better images thrown up by the Google image search. (No trouble, before you protest, as I have to go anyway for my own researches.) Tim riley talk 08:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I thought that was going to be a doddle, and that such an assiduous self-promoter as Bottomley would have loads of pre-1923 images all over the place, but in fact I can find only one that is certifiably published outside the US pre-1923 and is of good enough quality to reproduce, namely this. The Dutch site must have had access to the original press photograph, but a low definition copy of the same picture was, cropped, on p. 12 of the Daily Mirror on 10 September 1915. I'm sending you a copy of the Mirror page by email, as you may find it illustrative of his tub-thumping in WWI. If you're happy with this picture I'll load it up and do the honours with the bibliographic info. Tim riley talk 12:32, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Renewed thanks for your sterling efforts. I have uploaded the DM page you emailed - it's here: File:BottomleyDaily Mirror1915.jpg – and that will make a wonderful image for the "First World War" section. If you don't mind uploading the Dutch pic, that will be a splendid lead image – better, I believe, than a standard head-and-shoulders portrait. I haven't dealt yet with the other emailed pic, will decide later what to do with that. Brianboulton (talk) 15:38, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
(Later): I've uploaded the courtroom pic as File:Bottomley-court.jpg. I've guessed the source and date (Spurrier was the Illustrated London News's cartoonist, though he probably also worked elsewhere). Maybe you can correct as necessary? Brianboulton (talk) 16:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Duly tinkered with the upload details. I could trim the court picture if you liked, or would you sooner keep the spiel at the bottom of the ILN's page in the image? Meanwhile, the 1915 tub-thumping is at File:Bottomley-trafalgar-square.jpg. I could trim a bit off the sides of that, too, if you wanted, but I suspect you won't, and I rather agree, if so. Now then, speaking ex cathedra as Noël Coward's Vicar on Wikipedia, I think the substantial section in the existing article speculating about Noël's wallet is a waste of space; I exchanged incredulous glances with a nice and clued-up library assistant at the BL this morning when we looked at it. It might at a pinch make a brief footnote, but for my own part I shall not repine if it is not in the final version that comes to PR. – Tim riley talk 20:32, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Terra Nova Expedition members

Hi Brian. I know it has been ages since you worked on those Antarctic articles, but I had reason to look at them again the other day (work-related reasons, but always a pleasure to read them!) and I noticed something I thought I should drop by and ask you about. In the Terra Nova Expedition article, one of the expedition members called Forde is mentioned, once by surname and once as 'William Forde' (in the 'Personnel' section). Should this be Robert Forde, or was there another Forde (I know there were two Evans that are sometimes confused)? The other thing I noticed is that some sources give Forde's birth year as 1875 and some give 1877. Would you have access to a source that can say which is correct? Carcharoth (talk) 20:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping by. "William" Forde is definitely an error; there was one Forde on the expedition and he was Robert. As to his birth date, Antarctic Heritage Trust gives the year 1877, no further details, but this is, I am sure, wrong. This reliable source gives the full date of birth as 29 August 1875, and this is supported by numerous online sites, blogs etc. Brianboulton (talk) 22:00, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

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Still Spring (from Gerda)

(shifted or I'll lose it!)

Reminds me of another musical TFA. I met the work on a 20th of June, see my personal OTD on top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Noted, Gerda. 20 June has a number of musical significances. In 1953 Michael Tippett's "Lament" (part of the composite Variations on an Elizabethan Theme) was premiered, as part of the Coronation celebrations. 20 June 1819 was Jacques Offenbach's birthday. And today, 20 June 2014, sees a performance of Sibelius's Fifth Symphony in a multi-storey car park in Peckham Rye, South London. Here's the story. Any other special events worth noting? Brianboulton (talk) 16:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, - what I do is my personal OTD, like my first encounter on stage with what is called here The Rite of Spring, with a good image ;) - Yesterday I heard interesting new music, but it first needs an article of the composer, Swedish so far, more on my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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Benjamin, Svalbard etc

{Note: post moved from above, otherwise I might lose or archive it!)

As I have one Benjamin biography electronically with me I have put him up for FAC. Svalbard was interesting but a little cold. Did you get the images I sent? it is no place for a summer vacation. I also visited the church you recommended. I am still aboard and in between battling over the buffet am working lackadaisically on John Hay whose article I have long contemplated improving.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Good to hear you're still afloat. Thank you for the Svalbard images; my email reception is so awful that I have not been able to view them properly yet, though I saw plenty of snow. I think it's a place to see, not to stay. Glad you popped in at Hammerfest. I have noted Benjamin's arrival at FAC and will visit there shortly. My own shipwreck will be joining him there soon, which I hope is not an ill omen. Brianboulton (talk) 08:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Well... it's got Arctic in the name...

Here at least you're returning to somewhat your old stomping grounds. So... how many defenseless ponies died in this one? (Yes, I read some of the article and I knew about the disaster vaguely before... but I had to tease...) Ealdgyth - Talk 17:09, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

No ponies, no dogs – much worse than that. Welcome back to my talk, and I hope you'll soon be doin' the bishops again (and plans are afoot for a real return to my old frozen stamping ground, in the not-too-distant future). Brianboulton (talk) 17:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Real life has been keeping me hopping. Hopefully now that the garden is in and summer is more in full swing - I might get to editing again. I'm really awaiting the handing out of Wikipedia:OUP - as my paid for ODNB sub ran out in Feb and I was hoping I'd get WMF to pay for it... looks like I have .. I just gotta wait. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:02, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Move query

This is for anyone who picks it up and knows what to do. I have just nominated SS Arctic disaster at WP:FAC. Now, the title ought to be "SS Arctic disaster"; I tried to move the title, but my attempt was rejected. It would accept "SS "Arctic" disaster", but not the italics. I must be doing something wrong, as other ship articles have the name in italics. But I can't achieve this – will someone do it for me? Ever so many thanks. Brianboulton (talk) 20:02, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

There is a template to produce italic titles - I don't know how to produce partially italicised titles. The template is Template:Italictitle Ealdgyth - Talk 20:15, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Done. {{DISPLAYTITLE}} is the thing to use for playing around with formats in titles. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 20:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to you both for your time. Brianboulton (talk) 20:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Source review request

I requested this at WT:FAC almost two weeks ago, but nobody's replied. Since you do source reviews occasionally, would it be possible for you to do one for Soeara Berbisa? The nomination is here. Of course, I'll take a look at Arctic as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll be pleased to do this – no need for the quid pro quo, unless you have the time. Brianboulton (talk) 08:27, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, you've got your image review at least ;). Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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Jane Cobden

Jane Cobden (1851–1947) was a British Liberal politician and radical activist. An early proponent of women's rights, she was one of two women elected to the inaugural London County Council in 1889, although legal challenges prevented her from being a councillor. Throughout her life she sought to protect and develop the legacy of her father, the Victorian reformer Richard Cobden, in particular the causes of land reform, peace, social justice and women's suffrage. She was also a consistent advocate for Irish independence. In the 1890s she extended her interests to advancing the rights of the indigenous populations within colonial territories. She opposed the Boer War of 1899–1902, but after the establishment of the Union of South Africa in 1910 she attacked its segregationist policies. Before the First World War she spoke out against Joseph Chamberlain's tariff reform crusade on the grounds of her father's free trade principles, and was prominent in the Liberal Party's revival of the land reform issue. In 1928 she presented the old Cobden family residence, Dunford House, to the Cobden Memorial Association as a centre dedicated to the issues and causes that had defined "Cobdenism". (Full article...)

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Thank you for an early fighter for women's rights! I feel supported ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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