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Early dynasty pages

Hi Chewings72. Nice to get an opportunity to talk to you this way. I'm looking forward to seeing your contributions. As a start, besides Verner who would be a good source for the discussion about Nimaethap, Nebka, Sanakht etc? I think you're right that a more detailed discussion may be in order. The time is complicated and the experts sometimes disagree, but it would be nice to clean up that segment on Wikipedia. Any thoughts? --AnnekeBart (talk) 13:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I am an amateur historian who has only recently decided to get involved in reviewing the articles on Wikipedia dealing with Ancient Egypt.
So I am dependent on the expertise of others on issues such as the likely date that events happened in ancient Egypt and the duration and order of individual Kings' reigns.
I have noticed that some articles use Shaw as the basis of calculating dates, while you make reference to Verner. I have noticed that a site set up by Dariusz Sitek called "Ancient Egypt - History and Chronology" (http://www.narmer.pl/indexen.htm) provides a very thorough bibliography of writers on the various Egyptian dynasties. In this regard, I note that there are variations of up to 100 years in the dates of the reigns for the various pharaohs from the third Dynasty.
What worries me is that various authors of different Wikipedia articles about the early Dynasties in Egypt are quite happily using different dates because they refer to different authors as their primary source(s). So when I was exploring the issue of the order of the pharaohs of the third Dynasty, one of my frustrations was trying to determine which authority (or authorities) was the best.
Therefore, I wonder whether somebody needs to unilaterally make a decision about a particular author to use as the basis for dates and as the basis for the order of the early pharaohs for all the relevant Wikipedai articles, even if that decision is somewhat arbitrary.
Given that I have only recently decided to get involved in looking at the articles in Wikipedia dealing with the early Egyptian Dynasty's, do you know if this issue been dealt with in the past or whether there is a contributor to Wikipedia who is able to help guide this discussion? --Chewings72 (talk) 10:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm an amateur historian as well. The problem with the dating is an interesting one. It seems to me that the best we may be able to do is to provide the different dates given by scholars? For the early dynastic and old kingdom periods all they are able to do is estimate and I noticed too that the dates can differ by a century or more. I think for as far as the 3rd dynasty goes, it's not just the dates that are in question. The order of the kings is as well (from what I understand). My impression is that as an online encyclopedia Wikipedia should reflect the different theories. The sources should be listed so that an interested person can investigate further.
I think someone like Dougweller, Alensha or Leoboudv would know more about the history of this issue and if any consensus has been reached about how to deal with it. --AnnekeBart (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I just looked at Wilkinson's book about early dynastic Egypt and there is a very nice discussion by him about the chronology of the 3rd dynasty. The King lists (Abydos, Turin, etc) all give a sequence starting with Nebka, then Djoser etc. The archaeological data contradicts that order however. I hopefully will have some time over the weekend, but maybe the clearest thing to do is to write into the article about the 3rd dynasty something about the issues about the chronology of this list of kings and explain what the problems are. Lehner seems to stick to the order of kings as outlined in the king lists, Verner, Wilkinson, Helck seem to favor a chronology which places Sanakht closer to the end of the dynasty. I think our job is not to choose one interpretation but provide a description of the state of knowledge. And if that includes different interpretations, then that's what should be written into the article. --AnnekeBart (talk) 14:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi AnnekeBart. I agree with your views on the best way forward. I had a quick look at the current Wikipedia article on the Third dynasty of Egypt. It currently has a fairly brief discussion about the ordering of the pharaohs and really does not discuss the dates issue. Rather it focusses on using the Shaw dates with a degree of preciseness that belies the challenges of dating any event from the 3rd dynasty. How did your weekend homework go?? --Chewings72 (talk) 11:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, I did a first run at the Third dynasty of Egypt article. I need to rework it somewhat, but this at least puts a list of kings with links up there with some explanation of the difficulties inherent in studying this time period. --AnnekeBart (talk) 13:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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Biography project talk page revision

Hi you incorrectly attributed the comments you reverted to me - if you look you will see it was anon user I responded to the previous post Thruxton (talk) 06:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I think there is some confusion. I did not revert your contribution regarding Ralph Regenvanu. Nor did my comment imply that you had made the change I reverted. Rather I reverted an inappropriate entry by an anonymous contributer - 212.183.140.23. As the explanation to my action says: "Revert to revision 406891836 dated 2011-01-09 16:15:15 by Thruxton using popups", that is return the section back to the version as updated by Thruxton. You will see that your entry is unaffected by my action. --Chewings72 (talk) 06:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Concernings

If you are concerned about my edits, why don´t you talk with ME about? Or is it common here to talk only behind other´s back obout them??? There´s truely no single reason to mistrust my works just because my sources are not english. disappointed, --Nephiliskos (talk) 03:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, no offence intended. My apologies for not writing to you directly. I was asking a person who has been contributing for quite a while on Egyptian articles for a check of your changes, not criticising your input. I added my comments since you had made your comments there. I think that was reasonable as supported by how quickly you have responded to my comment. The reason for my concern is your references to "Teti II" and other related references that don't seem to have links to any royalty or nobles included in existing Wikipedia articles. --Chewings72 (talk) 04:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I answered at my page. I´m sorry. Greetings; --Nephiliskos (talk) 04:35, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. All is fine now. All the best with your studies :) Regards --Chewings72 (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Djeseretnebti

Hi. I´m sorry, but according to the Abydos kinglist the direct successor of Djoser (Hor-Netjerichet) is called "Teti", who´s identified with Hor-Sekhemkhet. Egyptologist normally call him "Teti II.", since "Teti I." is the same as "Athotis". The kinglist for the 3rd dyn. is spelled in the Abydos-list as following: Nebka, ...djeser, Teti, Sedjes and Neferkarê. --Nephiliskos (talk) 10:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I was using the Wikipedia article on the third dynasty kings which has the order and names of the kings based on Toby A.H. Wilkinson, in his 2001 book "Early Dynastic Egypt". Thus my confusion. Clearly, the name and order of the kings of this period is subject to much speculation and guess work. So please write the article as you think best reflects the evidence. Regards --Chewings72 (talk) 11:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Weneg (pharaoh)

Thx for yer help. ;-) best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Seth-Peribsen

Hi there. Srry, I simply had forgotten the refs for the section "Political motivations". They are in now. What do you think of the article as such? best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi.^^ Thx for your great response. You are like so welcome to my page! I´m always happy if someone helps me out. Yes, as readable at mah homepage, German is my mother-language. The Englisch I learned, differs from what is called "school english" in my country. I´ve learned pub-english thx to a acquaintance who´s British. And, yes, as you already noticed, I have still some problems with "curatorial English". I rlly hope to be able to solve them one day... I´m truely srry, if my articles cause some circumstances, but I rlly don`t know it better yet. I often don`t know how to translate without a lost of meanings and contents hidden in the diction.
I´m a total geek for Early Dynastic Egypt. That´s why I started to write articles in de.Wikipedia. But I also saw the articles here. I´m not up to critisize the works of the authors here, but many articles about early Egyptian kings are in a lamentable state! The next thing is that english literature - as far mah experiences reach - often content too less informations or simply repeat overaged theories. Some few exceptions are Toby a. Wilkinson, Miriam Lichtheim and the page of Francesco Raffaele. In fact, there are more german books and magazines, that are constantly up-to-date. Egyptologists such as Wolfgang Helck, Nicholas Grimal, Thomas Schneider, Silke Roth, Rainer Stadelmann and Hermann Alexander Schlögl are worldwide known for their excellent writing works.
Of course I see the linguistic problems. Many English peoples don`t speak and read German, whilst many Germans don`t have a command of a good Englisch. But in my humble opinion it´s just a question of will and want to cooperate, so that articles with an always up-to-date content can be written and presented. I rlly hope that I can manage to be able to present good works.
With best regards; --Nephiliskos (talk) 08:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Senedj

Mah next "victim". ;-) best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Thou are such a great help! Thx!!!^^ --Nephiliskos (talk) 08:28, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Raneb

And on we go... :D --Nephiliskos (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Meanwhile I get problems. It looks like mah hieroglyphic boxes are not welcome. --Nephiliskos (talk) 19:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to thank Chewings72 for doing the copyedit on the Raneb article. Much appreciated! When I have the time I will take a closer look at the edits myself and will see if I can add anything to them. Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hi, Chewings72!^^ I wonder if it made sense to discuss the new hiero-boxes I used to present the names of the early kings. I see some problems with the older boxes:

  • No horus-name, no gold-name, no nebtj-name... NOTHING. The old boxes give no useful information, and if so, these informations are redundant, incorrect or incomplete.
  • The old boxes call upon the mommahs and poppahs of the early kings. This is highly problematic, since Egyptologists are pretty unsure about any interfamiliar kinships. Few exception are queen Meritneith and queen Hetep-herj-nebtj (the mom of Djoser). Their names appear on seal impressions, together with their titles declaring them as king´s moms. Yes, I know, the Palermostone calles some king´s mommahs, too. But their identities are questioned, because their names do not appear in the early dynastic tombs.
  • The German boxes I use beat us the opportunity to present all important names of the early kings in words and signs. In german Wikipedia a broad palette of different hiero-boxes also give the chance to even sho titles and rare name forms.

It´s not about meh, ok... I rlly just wonder if it was possible to introduce and use the new boxes instead of the old ones. I´m sure that you will agree with meh after taking a closer look tot it. With best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)PS: I please everyone to respond at mah talk page, so I get it when You are on.

Seeking Your Opinion on Updating the Pharaoh Infobox

Hello there:

Just wanted to point out a proposed change to the Pharaoh infobox that I have made, and would value your opinion on.

Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 16:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hi. ;-) I´d like to know where I could expand the Pharaoh´s list that appear for example in Peribsen. Some of the 2nd dynasty kings are missing there. cheers; --Nephiliskos (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thankie!^^ Meanwhile I was VERY busy. I thought some kind of "congress" was good in whih everyone who assisted and advised meh so generously shall be there, to discuss the up-to-date sutuation. Is my administrating the new box good? Are there still questions? Pls take some moments and join the discussion. Thx. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:09, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
I have answered at mah page, together with a question. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:05, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

List of kings of Babylon - edits by anon

I hadn’t edited this page yet, as I had already corrected the Kassite monarch list sections on the Mesopotamia Dynasty list, Kassites and Short chronology timeline pages and felt that this just duplicated the information. Anon’s edits seem OK, although describing Dynasty V as Kassite is definitely a minority view, and Shutruk-Nahhunte overthrew Zababa-shuma-iddin and not Enlil-nadin-ahi.BigEars42 (talk) 11:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, according to Georges Roux in Ancient Iraq, Dynasty V was Kassite, he may be wrong of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.116.120 (talk) 21:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Imhotep´s dreams

Hi. Oh, oh, oh...! Oh my, the source for the article´s text is ANCIENT! 1923???? That was even before Hitler! That´s a no-no, such overaged sources CAN be used, but then it shall be said, that it is overaged and it shall be used only together with an up-todate source! Who knows, the overaged translation might be overaged, too. I will study the Neferkasokar-story again, maybe I´ll find some infos about Imhoteps dream? Besides, I´m curious, does Imo really appear in the famine-stela? I always thought its about king Djoser who was admonished by Khnum to sacrifise him "all good things" so the god would make the nile flow again...? Hmmmmm... At least I think its worth a research. Thx! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

And soon I found something.^^ Looks like I better re-write the articles about Imhotep and the famine-stela. The half of the information IS overaged and wrong. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Your wish was mah order. ;D cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I guarantee you, that NONE of mah sentences is made of own-point-of-view. I merely and actually try to avoid 1:1-copying from the books. In German Wikipedia for example thou can get LOT of trouble, if yer text is copied 1:1! Thx for yer help. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:29, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
To see the translation yourself, look here. Regards; --Nephiliskos (talk) 01:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I hope you are not angry. I myself be not seeking for trouble, ok? But I re-wrote some passages again, now beeing much closer to the source. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 02:15, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi.^^ The epoche of the Ptolemy-dynasty reached from 332B.C. up to 31B.C., shortly after Cleopatra´s death. Ptolemy V. reigned from 205 - 180 B.C.. I have re-written special passages to clear up that thing. Hope, it helps. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

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Svetlana Kirilovskaya PROD - Fictional?

Hi, wow, good eye! It hadn't occurred to me that the subject might be fictional. The article has no references, so it should have been a tip-off to me that a person had such a comprehensive knowledge with no references. Anyhow, again, good eye! And if you are correct, should we treat edits such as this reverted one as vandalism? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Also wanted to chime in with thanks for spotting those fictional entries. Some breaching experiement by a new account, User:Lisa lisa678, I suppose.--Milowent • hasspoken 21:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Hey @Chewings72: and @Milowent:. I don't remember the exact phrasing in the fake article, but I feel like there were multiple "beloved"s a la "Kirilovskaya was the beloved daughter of so-and-so", which I feel I deleted. I have had my eyes on IP 108.48.144.42 for a while for some disruptive editing, and happened to notice their recent edit to Anastasia (disambiguation), which contained (unnecessary) content like "...and the beloved favorite of her paternal grandmother, Dowager Empress Marie." The "beloved" raised a few hairs, so I thought I'd bring it up here, in case either of you think it warrants a closer look. It could just be a coincidence, but I thought I'd plant a seed. IP appears to be engaged in some shady editing anyway, which they will ultimately be blocked for. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
@Cyphoidbomb: Thank you for spotting the similarity in the language. I had a look at the IP's edit history and the IP seems to be focusing on editing American movies and cartoon characters rather than showing any interest in writing biographies as occurred in the fake Svetlana Kirilovskaya article. I'll keep a watch on this IP just in case he/she starts moving into broader activities. Regards --Chewings72 (talk) 04:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


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@Spinningspark: Thanks for the feedback on the reasons for your reverting my changes. I have a strong interest in Ancient Greek and Roman history and over the years I have read many Wikipedia articles relating to the history of that period. I thought it reasonable to seek some consistency by using Byzantium rather than Byzantion, as I can't recall too many other major articles where the Greek version is used. However, like you, I have no strong feelings about it. So happy to accept your reversion. (Although surely I don't need to seek consensus on trying to get some consistency in spelling of Byzantium??)
On the English spelling issue, I do understand the Wikipedia rules about spelling. However, I find it an issue in reading "European" articles as to what should be the correct spelling to use when articles have a mix of both American and British English. And I know there are and have been lengthy and ongoing debates over this issue, but in my opinion, it is a pity that American English does seem to be preferred if there is any uncertainty. Regards --Chewings72 (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2014 (UTC) .
On "Byzantium" you might be right, and I'm pretty sure that was that in the article at one time, but since someone has changed it in the past it is clear that not everyone agrees. Rather than continuous slow motion back-and-forth in the article, it needs to be decided what it is supposed to be on the talk page. I would have reverted you just as readily if it had been the other way round.
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@Spinningspark: Thanks for the helpful advice regarding which form of English to use in articles. I will follow that approach in future. --Chewings72 (talk) 01:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

List of Roman consuls

What was wrong with the wiki link you removed with this edit? It looks like the right person is linked. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 23:05, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

@Tarlneustaedter: The link before my change was to Gaius Servilius Structus Ahala who was a mid-5th-century BC Roman politician. According to Livy, Ahala served as magister equitum in 439 BC and is famous for saving Rome from Spurius Maelius in 439 BC by killing him with a dagger concealed under an armpit. The consul who this link should be pointing to also has the name Gaius Servilius Structus Ahala. There is no specific Wikipedia article on him. However, the Wikipedia Ahala disambiguation page says that this Gaius Servilius Structus Ahala was a consul in 478 BC and died in his year of office. So based on this information it would seem that the two individuals are not the same person. Perhaps they were father and son or even grandfather and grandson? --Chewings72 (talk) 01:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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Henry III's Coronation

Hi,

Not sure if I am doing this right, but you queried a minor edit I made to the caption for the image of Henry III's coronation. I had four broad reasons for the change. 1) The image itself suggests an impressive setting and occasion. This is much more likely to be the properly organized and lavish coronation at Westminster in 1220 as opposed to the rather makeshift affair at St Peter's Abbey, Gloucester in 1216. 2) The illustrator is much more likely to have depicted the second, papally-approved, coronation conducted by the Archbishop rather than the much less impressive earlier event which made a second coronation necessary 3) The only other captions I have seen for this image either make no comment on which occasion it was or state that it was the 1220 event. 4) The current caption gives no source for it being 1217 and I think it unlikely that it was. But I'd be very happy to know of evidence to the contrary. But as this is obviously all opinion not demonstrable fact, I though it reasonable to query the current caption rather than overwrite or contradict it. AMarkworthy (talk) 14:26, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


Lucas.

Why the reversion? 163.1.111.68 and 193.39.159.73 are the same editor, working on public computers. The edits are equally accurate & valid. - Regards, 163 / 193 / 194, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.159.73 (talk) 16:17, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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Greek and classical articles

Re: Socrates, etc., please see the recent discussion here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:14, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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:@Gilliam: Thank you. I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to better help keep Wikipedia history and biography articles in good shape! --Chewings72 (talk) 09:20, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Debate on Bernard Shaw's nationality.

Was he "Irish" or "British" or do we need to define his nationality in some other way? A debate on the subject, to reconsider a long-standing consensus that he was Irish, has started at talk:George Bernard Shaw. Just in case you're interested. Current comments are at "Nationality", at the foot of the page - although an earlier thread at "Irish"? may also be relevant. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 05:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


To ask about the source

Hi , I am Sarthak Sharma , from India . You have said that I have not provide any source to the information. As I am a new user so I don't know how to provide source. So please tell me

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Buddha's birthplace

I don't see any point for you to disagree about factual information of Buddha's birthplace I mentioned. Could you please sustain the change? Thanks! Singa lama (talk) 03:36, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

@Singa lama: When you edit the information box for Buddha, there is a specific note which says: "Note: Gautama was a Shakya, born in the Shakya republic. The states of both Nepal and India did not exist at that time. The Shakya territory covered an area which is nowadays partly in Nepal, partly in India. Any further additions will be removed. Lumbini, Shakya Republic (according to Buddhist tradition) Do not change without getting consensus on talk page first." I did not put the note there, so if you feel this view is incorrect please raise the matter on the Buddha article talk page.--Chewings72 (talk) 03:59, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


Eivind Astrup has been nominated for Did You Know

February 2016

Information icon Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to John Steinbeck: you may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. - theWOLFchild 10:36, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild: Thanks for the advice. I am aware of the option of using warning messages. I agree that the use of warning messages is an important part of keeping Wikipedia's contents to a high standard and try and stop unnecessary vandalism. Given the vandal's subsequent behaviour, with hindsight I should have got the ball rolling with an initial warning.  :) Regards --Chewings72 (talk) 10:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)


DYK for Eivind Astrup

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:01, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

@Coffee: Thank you for the advice.  :) Chewings72 (talk) 02:40, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


Guild of Copy Editors April 2016 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors April 2016 Newsletter

March drive: Thanks to everyone who participated in last month's backlog-reduction drive. Of the 28 people who signed up, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

April blitz: The one-week April blitz, again targeting our long requests list, will run from April 17–23. Awards will be given to everyone who copyedits at least one article from the requests page. Sign up here!

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Do you want one Edit tab, or two? It's your choice

How to switch between editing environments
Part of the toolbar in the visual editor
Click the [[ ]] to switch to the wikitext editor.
Part of the toolbar in the wikitext editor
Click the pencil icon to switch to the visual editor.

The editing interface will be changed soon. When that happens, editors who currently see two editing tabs – "Edit" and "Edit source" – will start seeing one edit tab instead. The single edit tab has been popular at other Wikipedias. When this is deployed here, you may be offered the opportunity to choose your preferred appearance and behavior the next time you click the Edit button. You will also be able to change your settings in the Editing section of Special:Preferences.

You can choose one or two edit tabs. If you chose one edit tab, then you can switch between the two editing environments by clicking the buttons in the toolbar (shown in the screenshots). See Help:VisualEditor/User guide#Switching between the visual and wikitext editors for more information and screenshots.

There is more information about this interface change at mw:VisualEditor/Single edit tab. If you have questions, suggestions, or problems to report, then please leave a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback.

Whatamidoing (WMF) 19:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-15

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The visual editor can generate wikicode with image options in your language. Examples of image options are "thumb" or "left". You can ask to change to options in your language in Phabricator. [1][2]
  • Wiktionaries and Wikisources can now use the visual editor. It is an opt-in beta feature. It still needs development to work better with these projects. [3][4]
  • ORES is using new models. Tools that use ORES' predictions can behave strangely. ORES also has a new API. [5]
  • The visual editor now supports classical Greek characters. [6]

Problems

  • There was a bug when you used keyboard arrows in templates in the visual editor. This has now been fixed. [7]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 April. It will be on all wikis from 14 April (calendar).
  • The wikipedia.org portal will get many small bug fixes and improvements. Most will be for the search box and suggested results that were added in March. [8]

Meetings

Future changes

  • Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. Because of planned work on this, you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for a short period of time on both 19 April and 21 April. This will start at 14:00 UTC and last for 15 to 30 minutes. [9]

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20:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #204

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
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The Signpost: 14 April 2016

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Books & Bytes - Issue 16

The Wikipedia Library

Books & Bytes
Issue 16, February-March 2016
by The Interior (talk · contribs), UY Scuti (talk · contribs)

  • New donations - science, humanities, and video resources
  • Using hashtags in edit summaries - a great way to track a project
  • A new cite archive template, a new coordinator, plus conference and Visiting Scholar updates
  • Metrics for the Wikipedia Library's last three months

Read the full newsletter

The Interior via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #205

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
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Tech News: 2016-16

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can filter Special:Log in more detail. You can filter different imports and new users. [10][11]
  • You can use Telnet to read Wikimedia wikis. [12]
  • MediaWiki wikis can handle bigger file uploads. The new limit is 4 GB. [13]

Changes this week

  • Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. Because of planned work on this, you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for a short period of time on both 19 April and 21 April. This will start at 14:00 UTC and last for 15 to 30 minutes. [14]
  • There is no new Mediawiki version this week. This is because of the data center test.

Meetings

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20:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 April 2016

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Wikidata weekly summary #206

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
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Tech News: 2016-17

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Wikimedia tested a new data center last week. This meant that the wikis could be read but not edited for 45 minutes on April 19 and for 20 minutes on April 21. [15]
  • When the data center was tested, new edits were not shown in the recent changes log for 20 minutes. They are in the logs now. You can read more about how to find the edits.
  • Unread notifications were sometimes counted incorrectly. This has now been fixed. [16]

Changes this week

  • Wikimedia Commons will have better access to Wikidata. They can use data from any page on Wikidata on any page on Commons. This will happen on April 26. [17]
  • It will be easier to choose if you want to watch files you have uploaded with the upload wizard. [18]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from April 26. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from April 27. It will be on all wikis from April 28 (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on April 26 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • The "Save page" button when you edit will be called "Publish" instead. This is to help new editors understand what it does. It already works like this on some wikis. [19]

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21:02, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 2 May 2016

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Wikidata weekly summary #207

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Wikidata's coverage as of April 2016
Difference of Wikidata's coverage between April 2016 and 6 month before

Tech News: 2016-18

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The visual editor now works when you use Internet Explorer 9. [20]

Problems

  • There was a security problem with the MobileFrontend extension. It showed information that had been oversighted. This has now been fixed. [21]

Changes this week

Meetings

Future changes

  • Pages could be added to new users' watchlists by default when they edit them. New users could also by default get email notifications when pages they watch are edited. This is discussed on Meta. [23]

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20:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #208

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

Tech News: 2016-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Wikiversities now have better access to Wikidata. They can use data from any page on Wikidata on any page on Wikiversity. This happened on May 3. [24]
  • You can use Wikipedia GapFinder to find missing articles between languages. [25]
  • Users are invited to try Cross-wiki Notifications on all wikis. This is the last test session before the release by default, scheduled for May 12th at 23:00 UTC. [26][27]
  • You can use keyboard shortcuts to open the visual editor (meta+V) or the wikitext editor (meta+E) (on certain wikis, even if you have chosen a favorite editor). [28]
  • Uploading files bigger than 100 megabytes on Wikimedia Commons required to opt-in in your preferences. This is not necessary anymore. [29]
  • The UploadsLink extension is now available on Wikimedia Commons. [30]
  • Deleting a translation unit page didn't remove the corresponding content from the translation page. This is now solved. [31]
  • Translation suggestions based on Apertium are now available on Mediawiki.org. [32]

Problems

  • MediaWiki 1.27.0-wmf.23 has been rolled back from Wikimedia wikis, due to a performance issue. [33]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from May 10. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from May 11. It will be on all wikis from May 12 (calendar).

Meetings

Future changes

  • Today, in categories, a page titled "11" comes before "2". We plan to reorder that: "2" will come before "11". Please tell the developers if the change will cause problems. [34]

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23:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Some image thumbnails now load faster on mobile. They also take up less bandwidth. [35]

Problems

  • Last week's MediaWiki version was late on some wikis. [36]

Changes this week

  • Special:Notifications will have "mark as read" buttons for each day. The non-JavaScript version will get it this week. A JavaScript version will come later. [37]
  • Wikis can now locally decide what wikitext they want the signature button to produce. [38]
  • A one-time welcome message for users will now be shown in the wikitext editor. This will include existing users. [39]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from May 17. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from May 18. It will be on all wikis from May 19 (calendar).

Meetings

Future changes

  • Using self-closing tags like <div/> and <span/> to mean <div></div> and <span></span> will not work in the future. Templates and pages that use these tags should be fixed. When Phabricator ticket T134423 is fixed these tags will parse as <div> and <span> instead. This is normal in HTML5. [40]

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16:01, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #209

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

The Signpost: 17 May 2016

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Wikidata weekly summary #210

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

Tech News: 2016-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Problems

  • Commons had problems with server lag. This meant that it took longer time for files to turn up in categories. [42]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 May. It will be on all wikis from 26 May (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on May 24 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • All HTTP access to Wikimedia sites and APIs will stop working. Some bots still use HTTP. They will need to use HTTPS instead. This will happen on June 12. [43]

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18:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 May 2016

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Tech News: 2016-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • There is now a standard way to get the target of a redirect page from a Lua module. [44]

Problems

  • A new way to handle rollback was introduced. It broke some tools and scripts and was reverted. This will be re-planned after review. [45][46]
  • CentralNotice didn't work in some older browsers. This has now been fixed. [47]

Changes this week

  • When you edit a file or category page with the visual editor the rest of the page will be shown in its normal place. [48]
  • The Translate extension will get an edit summary field. [49]
  • A change to the <charinsert> feature could break some user scripts. Contact Bawolff if the "click to insert special characters" links in the edit window break on your wiki. [50][51]
  • Elasticsearch will be upgraded on Wikimedia wikis this week. This should not affect you, but if you have problems with the search function this is probably the reason. [52]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 June. It will be on all wikis from 2 June (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 31 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:19, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

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