User talk:Chisnall

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Copyright[edit]

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Coppull[edit]

Hi and thank you for your responses to my efforts to post additional material on the history of Coppull. In my first attempt to supplement the information contained in the wiki entry you deleted my entire entry and told me that uncited material and original research was unacceptable to Wikipedia. I entirely understand this and encourage all historical writing to be supported by adequate citation. In my second attempt to supplement the woefully inadequate section on the history of Coppull I provided citations to support every paragraph of my summary history of Coppull. This was deleted in its entirety and a message sent to me suggesting this had been plagiarised from published sources which is completely untrue.

The edit as it currently stands lacks citations and is misleading - there is absolutely no evidence that Coppull was founded as a Brigantian settlement and beyond driving a road through the village, there is no evidence of Roman occupation. In thirty years of studying the history of the village I have not read anything to suggest anyone has ever speculated on a Brigantian conection. The entry regarding the Chisnalls is taken almost verbatim from a paragraph of the Victoria County History and demonstrates no understanding of the broader context of the family, easily accessible in a number of published and online sources. The final paragraph is completely uncited.

I would ask you to restore the comprehensively cited version I submitted on the 25th September, which is significantly more detailed and better supported than the current edit which contains a single citation and some unsupported speculation.

Chisnall (talk) 23:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will not reinstate your version. You have already indicated it is your original work in an edit summary. What you are not allowed to do is copy and paste from other websites, even if you provide references. You copied and pasted a substantial amount of detailed text from http://www.lancashirehistory.org.uk/short%20history%20of%20coppull.htm which is not allowed. Can I just make this point, this is an encyclopedia, not the place to write the definitive history of a place, or indeed the Chisnalls, all it is needs a summary, which you might notice I have started to do. J3Mrs (talk) 09:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have added some more to reliable sources which do not contain original research and will add more later.J3Mrs (talk) 10:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did indeed copy and paste 950 words from the website you cited. The website contains no copyright notices because the author and site owner wanted to encourage and promote the study of the history of Coppull and the other subjects included in the website. I am the owner of the website and the author of the original material contained on it and was eager to provide Wikipedia users with an up to date summary of the history of the village which built on the excellent but dated material in the VCH. But Wikipedia is obviously not the place to do this. I look forward to seeing how the Coppull section develops in the future. Thanks for your help during my first experience as a Wikipedia contributor.

Chisnall (talk) 20:24, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not the place to copy from your own website whether it has copyright notices or not. I could have slapped a copyvio tag on the article and the copy and paste would have been removed but I decided to do something myself. I doubt many copyright taggers would. Whether my edits are to your taste or not, it is in a form acceptable to the encyclopedia. By adding material from your own website you are also raising conflict of interest issues. It is a pity your first edits were in an unacceptable form but I too had to learn when I first started. J3Mrs (talk) 21:26, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]