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Nice edits on Apache OpenOffice :-) - David Gerard (talk) 23:36, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks David! Just fixing things when I see them! ClareTheSharer (talk) 11:45, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Visual Editor Citations

I've been using the Visual Editor to make changes to existing articles, but when it's time to include a citation I can't see a way to insert properly tagged information about it - only a reference with linked text. What am I missing? ClareTheSharer (talk) 16:42, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Here you go: WP:VisualEditor/User_guide#Editing_references That should fully explain adding references with the Visual Editor. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 17:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, OK, thanks. That's pretty hidden - I would not have thought to look under Templates! ClareTheSharer (talk) 17:53, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, I tried it. Once I realised I had to type "Cite" (that it didn't appear on its own) I made a little progress, but filling out the citation seemed to involve me knowing all the parameters possible and typing their names correctly, rather than filling in a form. As I have no clue what parameters are possible, I made no progress. IS there something I am missing here? Otherwise I will stick to copy & paste of an existing citation, but that then precludes using the Visual Editor... ClareTheSharer (talk) 18:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

The cite template is pretty complicated, and the Visual Editor doesn't know all its parameters (yet). Welcome to using beta software! ;) In my opinion, for the citation templates, it's best to copy one, form another article, or from the template documentation itself ( {{cite}} / {{citeweb}} / {{citenews}} etc. ), and adjust it from there. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:13, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks - I'll stick with full source editing for anything with citations then. ClareTheSharer (talk) 21:48, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Conjure One

Hi. Can you explain why a navigation template that links to the article in question should not be included on said article? I don't understand the logic of your reverts. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 19:31, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Because it misleadingly implies the topic is directly relevant to the band. If the template was about Fulber it would be reasonable, but FLA is another band altogether. I suggest the Template is unhelpful and needs rework to avoid this conflict. I won't revert your edit again for 24 hours as I don't war. ClareTheSharer (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Maybe you should start a thread on the talkpage of the FLA article to get a WP:CONSENSUS. The topics are clearly related, hence the template placement. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 19:44, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

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	Hello Dear Clare, thank you for sharing! Thank you for caring about OSI (Open Source Initiatives) and please I know about the tears thing. Let's try to have more smiles, they are easier and take less energy to form (and keep)...Many thanks, Stumbling Monk (talk) 23:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Oooh, my first Barnstar! Thanks! ClareTheSharer (talk) 21:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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I was just reading your user page declaration and wanted to drop you a note and say how much I enjoyed it. Your approach seems fairly unique here or at least your declaring of it is! - Ahunt (talk) 18:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Why thank-you! I appreciate that! ClareTheSharer (talk) 20:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

No problem, you get credit for originality at least and probably kindness as well! All useful things. - Ahunt (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

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Npm (software): removed link

Hi @ClareTheSharer; I was wondering what you meant by the link being incorrect on Npm_(software) (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Npm_(software)&action=history) Zhermes (talk)

Hi @Zhermes. JavaScript and the Java Virtual Machine are not connected in any way, so it is incorrect to make a link from one term to a page about the other. More generally on Wikipedia it's not good to make changes when you don't have a citation to support them. ClareTheSharer (talk) 23:47, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Sure. At the same time the JavaScript Runtime Environment and the Java Runtime Environment (discussed in the same page) are extremely similar and related concepts. Enough so that the JavaScript Runtime Environment is also references in that page, and that a dedicated page for the JavaScript Runtime Environment would likely be almost entirely redundant. So it's not entirely clear to me that this isn't a valid reference (although, perhaps the reference should be included parenthetically, for example: "(similar to the Java Runtime Environment)." And while I appreciate your point about the importance of citations, it hardly seems relevant when adding an intra-wiki link... What do you think? Zhermes (talk) 00:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

They are connected in as much as they are both potentially interpreters, but that's about where it stops - they are no more related than any other runtime is related. You may be mislead by the names; Sun allowed Netscape to call their unrelated BASIC-like scripting language with a similar name to Sun's emulated microprocessor instruction set and associated systems language for marketing reasons alone. It is incorrect to draw further connections and it would be misleading to readers unfamiliar with to subject to make the connection in the article in any way. ClareTheSharer (talk) 13:06, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

ForgeRock

Hello,

Concerning this edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/837123955 , I do not understand the value of this sentence. It is stating what everybody knows about open source software: the one who writes the code owns the copyright. The sentence in the edit is worded as if there was a legal risk. But due to the license (CDDL), no such risk exists. Why is it interesting to state this fact on this article and not in any other article? (First time I see such content, and yet I have read many articles about open source software) The Oracle code is licensed under CDDL so anybody can do the same as ForgeRock (and other companies have done it). Said otherwise, this sentence has no encyclopedic value in my opinion.

If you think it should be kept, I would be happy to have convincing arguments in favour of it.

JnRouvignac (talk) 05:29, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, do you have any feedback on my comment above? Thank you! JnRouvignac (talk) 22:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry, I have been off Wikipedia for travel. Here's why I think it is justified:

+ Not all open source projects have the copyright owned by a project non-participant, so it's not a universal attribute of open source software (although common for forks)

+ In this case, the copyright owner is actually a competitor who tried to kill the project in favour of a commercial product, which is more unusual

+ The cited source alludes to the situation with the phrase "The community owns these projects just as much as FORGEROCK."

+ Forgerock appear to be at best in marginal compliance with the CDDL and thus there is a potential legal risk

Happy to discuss those but prima facie there's a good argument to keep the phrase ClareTheSharer (talk) 23:02, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

No worries. I hope the travel was good :)

+ (although common for forks)

This is the first time I see such sentence for an article for a fork on wikipedia, I have never seen it in any other article, so I am wondering why this is much different here?

+ In this case, the copyright owner is actually a competitor who tried to kill the project in favour of a commercial product, which is more unusual

Oracle is not the sole copyright owner. Granted: they own the copyright on most of the original code, but now, ForgeRock's copyright is significant too. There are even third party copyright owners.

+ The cited source alludes to the situation with the phrase "The community owns these projects just as much as FORGEROCK."

So again, insisting on Oracle feels weird. Speaking about "the community" in general would seem better to me?

+ Forgerock appear to be at best in marginal compliance with the CDDL and thus there is a potential legal risk

I particularly do not understand this one. AFAIK, there is full compliance so I am not sure which legal risk there is?

If there was a legal problem, I would expect Oracle to sue in courts. They have done it in the past and I have no reason to think they have changed their mind about this.

JnRouvignac (talk) 08:50, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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Primary sources should be used carefully

Per WP:PRIMARYCARE, "primary sources, including birth certificates, the Social Security Death Index, and court documents, are usually not acceptable primary sources, because it is impossible for the viewer to know whether the person listed on the document is the notable subject rather than another person who happens to have the same name."

Also, understanding the cited policy is usually a good idea before you revert someone's edit. Asking for clarification is where it should stop. Toddst1 (talk) 22:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Seriously? Thanks for the great advice, Todd. You would do well to pause before arbitrarily reverting everyone's edits as I have seen you do all over Wikipedia. In this case the weight of overall evidence for this date is excellent and you would be better served by adding further supporting data than your usual destructive removal of the good faith and constructive work of others. ClareTheSharer (talk) 19:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you are wrong and exhibiting several textbook symptoms of Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. We could do without the personal attacks too. Toddst1 (talk) 00:20, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Seriously, again? You just archived all your own personal attacks on the same post to conceal them from those not paying attention. You are clearly embarrassed by them. Have you considered the things you accuse others of doing might be your own flaws? ClareTheSharer (talk) 00:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Toddst1 (talk) 19:01, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Seriously? That's pretty special, Todd. ClareTheSharer (talk) 11:19, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

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Your edit is misplaced, and the drive-by nature of the edit without discussing it on the Talk page for the community that maintains the page is disappointing. FLOSS Weekly is a weekly podcast going back a very long time that is conducted purely by volunteers (the show does carry advertising for the company that hosts it). The links you have removed have been painstakingly accumulated by listeners like me over a decade (uncompensated and unrequested) to allow listeners to identify the guests on the shows, and are not part of a link farm or of a commercial advertising activity and your edit is very upsetting to the point of appearing as vandalism. ClareTheSharer (talk) 14:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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WTF? What is it with you Wikimedia insiders? It's like you never heard of people having interests and automatically assume they are corrupt. ClareTheSharer (talk) 14:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Trying to Restore List_of_FLOSS_Weekly_episodes to its Former Useful Self

Hi ClareTheSharer, thanks for your discussion on List_of_FLOSS_Weekly_episodes page. I've added my 2 cents worth to the article's Talk page. I'm hoping this Wikimedia insider will discuss his issue with us, rather than slashing away at a perfectly reasonable article on open source projects. Regards, Jalansari (talk) 21:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Heads-up, another Wikimedia editor just removed the twit.tv hyperlinks to the actual podcast episodes, and the note they left suggests even more negative views on keeping the list in Wikipedia. Getting more people involved seems to have made things worse! They seem to be having fun over in their discussion WP:ELN#List_of_FLOSS_Weekly_episodes. Jalansari (talk) 14:08, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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