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November 2014

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Thank you, veteran Wikignome, for tireless work in spell checking, moving, disambiguating, unlinking common words, helping the quality and consistency of the project, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 671st recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I appreciate that you've noticed my work. Colonies Chris (talk) 20:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Crash changed to accident

It's a small point, but I quite agree with you in changing "crash" to "accident" twice on the G&P Joint Railway page -- "crash" was not a very grown-up style of wording. Thanks.

Looking at your talk page, I see that, exactly like mine, bracketbot and the disambiguation link are you main correspondents :-) Afterbrunel (talk) 08:44, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, my best friends are bots :) Colonies Chris (talk) 11:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Aside from me. Tony (talk) 11:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia genealogy project

Just wondering if you have any thoughts re: the idea of WMF hosting a genealogy project. If so, feel free to contribute to this discussion. And apologies if I have made this request before. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Flags in lists of shipwrecks

Please do not unlink flags in the various lists of shipwrecks. There is no consensus for this. Also, you by doing this, you are removing valid links to articles. The United Kingdom is not the same as the United Kingdom, Nor is Russia the same as Russia. Mjroots (talk) 19:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Mjroots, it's not whether those links are "valid" or not (presumably they all work technically); it's whether they breach the guidelines concerning overlinking (which they do). Please do not obstruct edits that bring articles into line with long-established consensus at our style guidelines. Tony (talk) 01:15, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

@Tony1: - It is also long established consensus that shipwreck lists have linked flags. That said, there may be room for a compromise. Maybe a RFC is called for. Would suggest WT:MOS might be the best place. WT:SHIPS or WT:SHIPWRECK would also work, but both projects can be notified if hosted on WT:MOS. Mjroots (talk) 05:34, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Mj, there's no need for an RFC—MOS already says explicitly "Do not emphasize nationality without good reason". Whatever local band of editors has decided that non-informational and largely or purely decorative icons should clutter infoboxes and tables needs to take heed of long-established, wider consensus. Please explain how those flags have any informational meaning to readers, unless they're the extremely well-known flags (US, Canad, UK). The Australian and NZ flags are just about indistinguishable except with a magnifying glass. This kind of decoration is already discouraged, and we should be thanking Chris for removing it. Tony (talk) 08:21, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

We have two issues here. Firstly, whether flags should be present at all, and secondly, whether the associated country names should be wikilinked. There's no value in wiklinking well-known countries that are substantially the same as current countries - that would apply to the United States, to take the most obvious example, and to cases such as United Kingdom vs United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, where the distinction, in this context, is unlikely to be significant. There may be a case for keeping the flag icon where this reflects the actual flag that the ship itself would have flown (at least for military ships; there's perhaps a sort of parallel with use of flag icons in sporting contexts). Colonies Chris (talk) 10:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

The use of flags in shipwreck lists is well established, and I would argue that there is consensus for such, established over many years. I've been an editor on Wiki for more than 9 years, and such use was already established then.

As I said above, I'm,open to discussing the issue at RFC. I have a idea that I'm willing to put up for discussion, which would limit, but not eliminate the links in these lists. Mjroots (talk) 13:34, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

The MoS states (at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Icons#Appropriate_use_2, "The use of ship registry flags and International Code of Signals flags in infoboxes of ship articles is appropriate.". And it seems reasonable to me that this would also cover lists such as these. My concern is to eliminate unnecessary wikilinking of well known countries (which is almost all of them in these lists). Colonies Chris (talk) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)