User talk:Compbok

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Edit warring[edit]

Can you please point out on the article's talk page what exactly you think is incorrect. I have been so kind to point out several key problems with the article. Please keep in mind wikipedia is not Elbegdorj's facebook site, and we are not trying to write North-Korean style eulogies. Yaan (talk) 13:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you yourself have some problem of simply removing others' work without researching yourself. You have some POV against Elbegdorj. Why don't you write you thought first in Elbegdorj article's discussion page before removing big chunks just to smear Elbegdorj. You need to prove your ideas with sources. You can't remove others' work with sources. It is too rude, unrespectful and unacceptable in wikipedia. Compbok (talk) 13:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please tell me where I tried to smear him. I just don't think it is fair, or helpful for WP readers, to portray him as some kind of "Beloved Leader". That's all. Yaan (talk) 13:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Please don't remove big chunks of materials with sources. Your explanation of comparing democratic leader Elbegdorj with North Korean dictator sounded as to smear Elbegdorj. This is not true and unacceptable to compare two opposite people. This kind of comparison exactly looks like as Enkhbayar's PR group tried badly to smear Elbegdorj by tons of slanders during elections campaign. Compbok (talk) 13:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me. It is only your writing style that reminds one of North Korea. The "Why is it that this article reads as if it was written during socialism? As if the topic was Kim Il Sung and the writer a North Korean?" is about the article you wrote, not about Mr. Elbegdorj, whom I could not care less about. It's really a bit strange that you refer to stuff like NPOV when what you write reads like a product of some 1950s personal cult. Yaan (talk) 14:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that you are Enkhbayar's supporter or his PR person from your writing about Iraq in the discussion page. Please remember that wikipedia shouldn't have POV article because you are Elbegdorj's rival's supporter. Compbok (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear. You admitted Mongolia's decision to send troops to Iraq was made in 2003. Do you know who was prime minister back then? Yaan (talk) 14:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't twist someone's saying. Compbok (talk) 14:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I quote:

"OK. Here I checked your sources. It is in 2003."

Yaan (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Compbok, please read WP:RS and WP:BLP very carefully. Your contributions have violated both of them. Among other things, the DP web site is not independent of Elbegdorj, and hence doesn't qualify as a reliable source on him. You also need to accept that praising a person and his works is not acceptable in Wikipedia. And if you really think that "you are a PR person of the other guy" is a valid argument, then Wikipedia is not the place for you. This kind of remark is a clear violation of WP:NPA and can easily get you blocked from editing. --Latebird (talk) 22:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Latebird, I am not a PR person, please don't attack sourceless. Please put only sourced materials, and not to smear Mongolia's new President.

--Compbok (talk) O9:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

You have accused Yaan of being a PR person. And you have attacked people as "ignorant" and "arrogant" just because they disagreed with you. I'm only warning you to stop this kind of uncooperative behaviour. WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA are very important policies on Wikipedia for a reason. --Latebird (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Latebird and Yaan, please also don't use Rossabi book, because his book is not based on reliable sources and uses only interviews with a handful people who are closely tied to each other through family and other relations and dislike Elbegdorj, Davaadorjiin Ganbold, Baabar and other prominent Democrat leaders. His book should be banned from use for Wikipedia editing purposes.GenuineMongol (talk) 04:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is the basis of this claim (other than your own judgment)? --Latebird (talk) 20:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the book, then you will understand that this book was written based on the interviews with a few people. Did you read that book, anyway? I think that Khulan told all these stories to Rossabi. Khulan has never been a leader of the democrats, but Rossabi claimed that she was one of the leaders. GenuineMongol (talk) 08:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Continued edit warring[edit]

Please cooperate with other editors, and do NOT summarily re-add contested material. Your additions have been criticized point-by-point on the talk page of the article, and I have yet to see a meaningful response by you addressing any of the concerns. In such a case, you must first discuss your desired changes, in order to reach consensus among editors. Just ignoring all criticism with a simple statement of "this is fact" is not acceptable behaviour. If you continue to act in such an uncooperative manner, then you WILL get blocked from editing. Thanks for your understanding. --Latebird (talk) 13:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think Yaan is NOT cooperating. The rest are cooperating fine. It is not appropriate for Yaan to destroy someone's editing just because Yaan want to defame Mongolia's new President. I just checked the history of article Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj and discovered that Yaan entered biased info in 2008. I realised that when I added the piece and the reference on three level court decisions that proved that the 2008 elections had irregularities those have changed the 2008 parliamentary elections, Yaan kept removing my editing repeatedly and put his old edition of 2008 and padded this up to look as if he is editing. Is it acceptable? By law Mongolia is governed by law and its own court decisions, it can't be only explained by Yaan's out-of-date article which says that Asia Foundation saw no regularities during the 2008 elections. By court decisions this was proved otherwise, and it was broadcast all media outlets in Mongolian language. Asia Foundation NGO has no authority over Mongolia's courts. Let's cooperate but not being tricked by one tricky person with his own personal interests to defame Mongolia's new President. Mongolians want the world to see the truth, not biased info purposefully created by someone. If you want to edit the article it is OK to add, but it is ignorant and arrogant if you simply remove my edition which has references. I know there is a small Canadian registered company in Mongolia trying to get Mongolians' wealth Oyu Tolgoi free only through exploration license-which is only permission but without Mongolians' authority in Mongolia's wealth. The company wants to show the whole world the new President-elect Elbegdorj who wants to give shares to Mongolians from Mongolia's mineral resources as "bad". There are lots of legs and arms of the company around the world using international media in favor of them which you can see searching by google. I want Yaan not to be one of them, otherwise, why Yaan kept removing my edition and pushing his edition. --Compbok (talk) 02:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Latebird (talk) 08:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you think "attacking"? I wrote the truth. Please don't side with Yaan against me. It is unacceptable. --Compbok (talk) 12:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Compbok, I appreciate what you are doing for Wikipedia, but it would be better to cooperate with other editors in editing articles instead of imposing your version. New facts always draw attention of established editors, therefore the editor who added the new fact must provide sources for his/her claims. I find many of Yaan's suggestions helpful, while I don't agree with some of his suggestions. It is normal. So, it would be very good of you to refrain from posting such angry comments attacking fellow editors. Such comments will not help your case. I am a huge fan of Elbegdorj, but I don't want to state that he did all the good things happened in Mongolia since 1990-ies. For example, Ardchilal was not the first non-communist newspaper, but Shine Toli was. So, let's edit this article in good faith. Otherwise, it will go on and on hurting the feelings. Yaan and Latebird are the established editors for Mongolian related articles in the English Wikipedia, though their native language is German. They help us, Mongols, fight Chinese editors who try to impose their POVs to many Mongolia related articles. So, please don't hurt them. They are nice people who care about Mongolia, as far as I know from their activities in Wikipedia. GenuineMongol (talk) 07:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, Thanks. Compbok (talk) 02:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the concerns raised on the talk page of the article have not been satisfactorily adressed yet. All the same, you just re-added your changes summarily again. And in the edit summary you call other editors "arrogant". How is that not an attack? Please participate in the discussion, and for each issue solved, you can then make the relevant changes. If you change everything together at once again, then the changes will not be accepted, because that makes it impossible to fix problems with individual parts. Thanks for your understanding. --Latebird (talk) 01:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, now at least please don't remove up-to-date photos. Also, the court decisions on 2008 political unrest is already issued why do you keep removing it? Court rules in Mongolia not observations. Also I added some in the first term with references specially on the copper mining industry and the real reason of Elbegdorj's resignation with reference. Please don't remove it. I'll find more references for other sections later when I find time and submit--Compbok (talk) 02:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I want to participate in wikipedia in Mongolia section to expand, but now I am stuck with my first significant article contribution instead of some grammar. Because you make me down simply removing all my additions including the ones with enough references. It makes my inspiration down from working on more Mongolia articles even I want to in wikipedia. How can I otherwise think that all these removals are not attack against me? Probably you guys only want you yourself will edit wikipedia not anybody else. --Compbok (talk) 02:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mongolia President Elections 2009.png[edit]

If you would study my map, you will find that small Orkhon aimag (Erdenet + Jargalant sum) was painted with cyan as it was (as other larger cities) mr.Elbegdorj victory territory. It is no my mistake, collegue Compbok. About the Bagakhangai and Nalaikh you've claimed "Bagakhangai and Nalaikh are the least populated area and geographically very small but you show it very big". You are in mistake with these düüregs territories. The territories were depicted in the same scale as the rest of this map (as Nalakh düüreg includes Terelj tourist zone and a significant portion of the Gorkhi Terelj National Park. So population density in Nalakh düüreg is 42/km², in Bagakhangai 27/km². So Nalaikh is the third largest düüreg in UB after Bayanzürkh (1244 km²) and Songino Khaikhan(1201 km²). Baganuur düüreg has less population than Nalaikh and almost the same area (620 km²), you see, but it is no questions from your side, but why? I think your behaviour in Wikipedia demonstrates your intention to use Wikipedia as a political propaganda tool, but it is illegal in Wikipedia, as it supports a neutral point of view only. If it is impossible to find any neutral point of view in any relevant sources, Wikipedia needs all positions POV were presented. I mean it is normal to have a critique analysis in an article about a political person. Even if you are sure that some declarations are not true, but were published and are wellknown - these declarations are the information for the article, but the way of these informations presentation must be neutral, as a declarations rejecting these informations too. Best regards, Bogomolov.PL (talk) 18:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I checked your map again. You are right. By population it is totally small about Bagakhangai and Nalaikh.

In addition, about you on me is totally wrong. Don't attack me. I only want to contribute with neutral information. I want to expand articles on Mongolia with more information to expand rather than simple grammar edition but I am stuck now with my first contribution to first article. This hasn't given me an opportunity to advance to next article yet. Best regards, Compbok (talk) 04:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Using term "attack" demostrates your position to the criticism - the discussion is a main way to reach a consensus, but you are pointing me, not discussing. Edit warring is one of the illegal methods you've used. You are trying to erase any information you don't like. We can not decide about the information from your (or anybody else) personal POV - we can analyse the sources quality, if are relevant - we place informations. Mr.Elbegdorj's suppoters and rivals have the same relevance, but a third side information is more relevant, you see. Wikipedia can not be a mr.Elbegdorj suppoters site, as it can not be a mr.Elbegdorj political rivals site, both positions (suppoters and rivals) have the same relevance.

About Bagakhangai and Nalaikh. My map, as you see, accurately reflects the Montsame source. Even if you don't like this relevant information your position never can change this source content. Be prepared, dear collegue, the relevant sources are the main content of the Wikipedia. Private (editors) opinions are not welcomed in Wiki articles. The simple truth is that 2009 elections demonstrated differences in the Mongolian society, even in UB two düüregs were voting for the present President. Why do you want hide this fact? "Population it is totally small" you wrote. Govisumber aimag has less population than Nalaikh and what? Preparing this map reflecting exactly the Montsame informations was a right behaviour, but manipulating - wrong. Do you want from me a manipulations? I don't think so. Best regards, Bogomolov.PL (talk) 05:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The relative sizes of Nalaikh and all other regions are shown correctly on that map. Why would pupulation numbers be of any relevance for a map of territories? --Latebird (talk) 15:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Translation Needed: Аав[edit]

Hello,

We're still not sure what language is used in this article: Аав but we think it's either Mongolian or Kazakh. So could you please translate the article title and content (it's very short) as soon as possible?

Article title: Аав

Text:

Өглөө эртлэн босохдоо таныгаа би үгүйлдэгээ мэдэрдэг Өмөг 
түшиг тань үрдээ амьдрал бэлэглэдэг байсан 
байна Хэзээ ч би ганцаардана гэдгээ мэдэхгүй эрх 
тэнэг байж Хэрвээ та байсан бол...

Thanks, BlowingTopHat 02:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ESEAP Conference 2018[edit]

Hello Compbok,

I’m Irvin from PhilWiki Community, a member of the Communication Committee of the ESEAP Conference. ESEAP Conference 2018 is a regional conference for Wikimedia communities throughout the ESEAP region: ESEAP stands for East, Southeast Asia, and Pacific. Taking place in Bali, Indonesia on 5–6 May 2018, this is the first regional conference for these Wikimedia communities.

East and Southeast Asia and the Pacific are the most under-represented regions within the Wikimedia community. There is a significant number of Wikimedia contributors in our regions, yet we continue to struggle in establishing a well-managed community. This conference will bring participants from various ESEAP communities together in order to better understand the issues and to look for solutions. It also aims to connect people of the Wikimedia movement within ESEAP regions, to share ideas, and to build regional collaborations that are impossible to achieve through online communication.

We’ve got a lot of participation from several countries, but we’re lacking from your country. As we need more participants from your country, we believe that your contribution and participation would be a valuable asset to the success of this event. If you would like to participate in the conference, please do fill the form as soon as possible (by April 5, 2018) and we’ll inform you if you get selected for the conference.

Thank you and we hope to see you soon. --Filipinayzd 16:20, 29 March 2018 (UTC)