User talk:Daraheni

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Zazaki Wikipedia[edit]

Thank you for bringing the test-Wikipedia to my attention. I don't understand a word of it, but some of the articles do look very nice, and it looks like you guys have put a lot of work into it, and have made a lot of progress. I'm changing my vote to support, and I wish you the best with the Wikipedia! (I think we've made a lot of progress with the new Norman Wikipedia. Feel free to check it out). The Jade Knight 06:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How to change a user name[edit]

Hi Jmabel, I am an administor on the Zazaki Wikipedia. I need to change a user name, but I don't really know how to do it? Can you help me or do you know how to change a user name? Best, --Daraheni 00:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC) diq:user:maviulke12[reply]

I think that requires a higher level access than admin. You can ask at WP:AN and I'm sure someone will know what needs to happen. - Jmabel | Talk 05:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

on. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 08:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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POV[edit]

You have removed POV templates stating they do not apply to the entire article. If this is correct, please move them to where they do apply. Do not simply removed them.

00:21, 26 October 2008 (hist) (diff) Zaza people ‎ (Not the whole article is disputed)
00:21, 26 October 2008 (hist) (diff) Zazaki language ‎ (Not the whole article is disputed.)

Thank you for your time, MatthewYeager 00:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody with political issues put those tags. There isn't anything there that is not backed by sources. The person who put those tags should indicate which parts are disputed. The whole article cannot be wrong. Daraheni (talk) 01:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bias or ignorance?[edit]

By your last edit and your last edit summary you proved that you have no clue of Iranian languages and their phonological development. Read Ludwig Pauls article on Kurdish language and educate yourself. Sakonal (talk) 16:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you![edit]

Thank YOU! I used your table format and the color premeditatedly. The format was a great help. --Raayen (talk) 01:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hewrami Kurdish & Comparison Tables[edit]

What for you cannot get it that Hewrami is merely Spoken by Kurdish people, and when it's entitled as Hewrami Kurdish it doesnt mean that it is a dialect of Kurmanci! Please try to understand it and discern that Hewrami Kurdish, Kirmanci (Kurmanci, Sorani, Kelhuri, Leki, Feyli) Kurdish and Zazaki Kurdish (Kirmancki, Gini, Kirdki, Dimili) are Three Languages and Exclusively spoken by Kurdish people. No matter if since 1989 there are some Zazaki speakers who assume an unprecedented Zaza identity for themselves instead of the former Kurdish one.

Also the tables are entirely unreasonable and fallacious. First the Zaza entries are picked as far as possible from Kurdish. For example you have put "roc" for "day" though there are "roj" and "roz" in Zazaki too and as far as I know "ruec" (ruedz) is mainly used instead of "roc". The Kurdish entries are ENTIRELY selected from Kurmanci (Northern) dialect, while the Sorani (Central) and Kelhuri, Leki, Feyli, Gerusi (Southern) words are pretermitted. Even some of the Persian entries are incorrect too : ed ~ I . I vouch this "ed" comes from no where else but the mind of Zazaists. Anyways, I think the tables should be corrected and then protected from Idiotic Anonymous Editings. Kak Language —Preceding undated comment added 09:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Southern and Central Kurdish[edit]

You assume that Kurdish only contains a dialect of Northern ?!!! 44% of total number of Kurds speak Central (Sorani) and Southern (Kelhuri, Gerrusi, Laki, Feyli) Kurdish. How come you dare to judge about Kurdish or to pretermit Kurdish words that way ?!! Dont meddle in whatever you have not the faintest knowledge about. Kak Language —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.38.22.179 (talk) 15:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine I was comparing Kurmanci Kurdish than. The tables are basen on this table--Daraheni (talk) 06:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, it's not fine! You think you are smart and extra-genius, huh?! First, according to Encyclopedia Iranica, Zaza speakers speculate themselves as Kurdish, no matter if Linguistically their respective language is not a dialect of Kirmanci Kurdish (which is spoken by majority of Kurds). Also all historical evidences testify that Zaza speakers have been nothing else but Kurdish. The first indication to a distinct Zaza identity is made by a journalist no sooner than 1989. Therefore the so-called Zaza identity is a unprecedented identity which is seeking to imbibe original Kurdish identity among Zaza speaking Kurds. Otherwise we dont encounter even a pewee mention to a Zaza identity throu history, unless 1989 and Piya paper in Turkey!

Also, what for you wanna compare Zaza only with Kurmanci Kurdish ?!! Since when they compare languages with selected Dialects?!! Both Southern and Central Kurdish words must be added to the Kurdish table along with Kurmanci dialect words. As well as Zaza words from Dimili and Northern dialects including "z" and "j" variants must be attached to Zazaki column. Otherwise you must assuredly prove what for "nimac, espice, roc, vac" are Original and "nimaj, espije, roj, vaj", or "espize, roz, vaz" are not! I wont let you to mislead people.

By the way, first go try to speak your mother tongue as fist language and dont involve yourself in Persian. Since many Persian entries are terribly incorrect too.--Kak Language —Preceding undated comment added 09:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Regarding to your "table" which is done by a Western linguist, I should remind, it seems you are not aware of it yourself, that these tables are not Indisputable!! For instance in that table Parthian "j" should be Kurdish "j", but in Southern and Central Kurdish we use "ish" or "ich" for Northern "ji" (too) and Parthian "ij". Or in that table Zaza must always represent Parthian "j" as "c", but Parthian "rij-" (pour, shed) is "rish-" in Zazaki. As well as it's "rish-" in Sothern Kurdish too. But Northern Kurdish and Hewrami "rij-". Or in Old Iranian it's "neve" (nine) but Parthian "neh" so Northern Kurdish "neh", but Southern and Central "now" and Zazaki "new". And a large scale of such paradoxes I can birng. For sure such table is not reliable.--Kak Language —Preceding undated comment added 09:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]

That's fine. But you know there is no Kurdish language. There are some languages under Kurdish languages group. Kurmanci, Sorani, and others are all by themselves different languages. So then you have to create a column for each. Also, I read articles iranists. I don't read what somebody on the internet says.

For you baseless claim on Zazas being Kurdish, Ethnolgue's classfication is very clear about that. Ethnologue should suffice. Daraheni (talk) 16:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are an unreasonable person. You say there is no Kurdish language?! You are just the same as those guys who say Zazaki is a dialect of Kirmanci. So first prepare your evidences then start off spouting trashy words.

By the way go read Kurdish Language Article in Encycolpedia Iranica, as well as check "www.Zazaki.org" and "Vateonline" sites to find out if a large part of Zazaki speaking people have retained their true identity or not.

For Historical certification of Zazaki speakers being Kurdish, fortunately all evidences ascribe it. Therefore the article MUST make mention of both identities for Zazaki speakers : Kurdish and Zaza.

So, as I said, first prepare your evidences then start off spouting trashy words and idiotical claims. Zazaki should be compared with Kirmanci Kurdish (namely three main dialects : Northern, Central, and Southern) to clear off how much these two language spoken by Kurdish people are similar and different. Also it should be compared with Gorani as its closest relative.

Also, the article, Kurdish Language, is not said by somebody. The article, which indicates Zaza speaking Kurds to insist on their Kurdishness and even their language being a dialect of Kirmanci Kurdish, is written by your favorite scholar, Paul Ludwig. You will enjoy it.

In addition to those, you are incompetent to edit language articles, since you dont respect to scientific classification and unreasonably deny them. Also the terms "Kurdish Languages" or "Languages of Kurdish People" are used to depict "Kirmanci (Kurmanci, Sorani, Kelhuri, Gerrusi, Feyli), Gorani, and Zaza" languages in a group as the language that are MERELY SPOKEN BY KURDISH PEOPLE and all belong to the Northwestern branch of Iranian languages.

Regarding to your ignorant claim "there is no Kurdish language", besides advising you to read Scientific Classificatipon once again, I want you to look at these and recite them in your mind all the time :

roze : ruec : ruj : roj : ??!

vanan : vano : vanu : vun : ??! varan : yaxir : varon : varun : ?!! vewre : vewri : vor : vori : vare : ??!! shima : shime : sima : ??! girewtish : girotish : girutene : gureteni : ??!! bige : bije : bice : ??!! espice : espize : espij : espije : espici : ??!! embaz : ombaz : albaz : albaj : olbaj : alboj : ??!! hu : ho : xo : xwi : xwe : ??!! yew : yo : jew : ju : zew : zu : ???!! yo ruec bi : jew rojib : zu roz vi : ??!!

Who believes the above entries are considered to be all of the same language??! Pretty amazing!--Kak_Language 16:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kak Language (talk • contribs)

"Baseless" merits your claims in order to arrogate Zazaki speaking Kurds into an unprecedented Zaza identity. Ethnologue is based on governmental accounts for each country. It's not entirely reliable. The historical evidences and famed characters and association such as "Malmisanij", "Kovara Vate", "Zazaki.org", and also Zazaki section in Roj.TV are undoubtedly sufficient. You must stop your ignorant and baseless discrimination toward Zazaki Speaking Kurds. --Kak_Language 17:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kak Language (talk • contribs)

Look, I don't care about what you believe. The ethnologue's classification is very clear about this issue. And Ethnologue is the reference here in the Wikipedia. Zaza-Gorani language group and Kurdish language group is just under Iranian languages group. Of course there will be similarities. I myself study at University of California on Iranian langauges. I took Avestan, Old Persian classes; I took classes on Indo-European Linguistics. I know the issue very well. I don't need your guideness.

There is a Kurdish language group. There is no one specific Kurdish language. Sorani and Kurmanci are just major Kurdish languages. So what is your problem? Daraheni (talk) 18:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

then why you just pick the Kurmanji ones which are the most remote and unrelatled words? Sakonal (talk) 19:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to create columns for other Kurdish languages because there is no Kurdish language. The equivalent of Kurdish is Zaza-Gorani. The equivalence of Zazaki, Hewrami, and Persian is Kurmanci and Sorani. They are languages under Kurdish group. Daraheni (talk) 19:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we need 15 examples of outcomes PIE *w- on the Zaza page[edit]

I think this is quite sloppy. We don't need 15 examples for 1 or 2 sound changes. No more than five examples (and clearing out any loans) is quite sufficient. Why do we need 15 examples for a sound change? We get the point after 1 or 2 examples. It is much too cumbersome. Please select a few examples which are best suited as an example (no loan words). Azalea pomp (talk) 08:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for Eng<> Zazaki translator[edit]

Hi

My name is Bijîk, I`m the project manager of Kurdtrans translation agency, located in Iran. Currently we are looking for Zaza - English translators and editors to help us on an upcoming project. If you are a translator and interested in cooperation with us, kindly send your CV and rates for a long-term cooperation. By the way if you are not a translator, but you know some Zaza-Eng translator kindly pass this email to them. Please send your response to my email: reza.mohammadnia@gmail.com

Thanks and regards, Reza (Bijîk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijik (talk • contribs) 13:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Emine Ayna[edit]

She only knows Turkish, unfortunately. Kavas (talk) 14:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She is not a Kurdish speaker or Zaza speaker according to the news published by NTVMSNBC, don't change the information! Kavas (talk) 23:28, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Çok açık şekilde Türkçe biliyor, bunu neden değiştiriyorsunuz: Zazaların katıldığı bir organizasyonda kusursuz Türkçe konuşuyor, Zazaca konuşmuyor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVVrwLYOwa8 Siz bana Ayna'ın Zazaca konuştuğu bir video bulabiliyor musunuz? Lütfen, değiştirmeyin artık. Kavas (talk) 23:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ever watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVVrwLYOwa8? Avoid edit wars, please. Find sources for your claims. Thank you. Kavas (talk) 20:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you ever say that Erdogan is a Turkish-speaking politician? So what's the point of putting there. I never saw any article in wiki starts with that. Obviously she is more fluent in Turkish than Zazaki. Yes I know she knows Zazaki because I talk to her personally. So don't really bring your Turkish racist attitude here; it only works within the borders of Turkey. --Daraheni (talk) 04:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is independent of where we are as you could not find a source to prove she speaks Zazaki. That is not the truth Wikipedia is based on, that's verifiability. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guntersblum#Famous_people (Georg K. Glaser), if someone speaks a language other than his own ethnicity, then it is notable in Wikipedia. Kavas (talk) 02:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dersim rebellion & Dersim massacre[edit]

Şu an Dersim rebellion & Dersim massacre olmak üzere iki madde var. Takabeg (talk) 06:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yani hata yaptınız. Belki iki madde birleştirilecek ve başlığı da common use olan Dersim rebellion olarak değiştirilecektir. Takabeg (talk) 06:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged racism[edit]

Hi, "racist" is not a good word to use in Wikipedia. I suggest you don't use in the future. By the way, I asked it to an admin, he said to me that I was wrong to remove that word, but he does not like it either. Kavas (talk) 16:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sayın Daraheni, I recommend to use the term systemic bias, ethnocentrism etc. As well as I know, most of users from Turkey are not racist. But I often find serious systemic bias (originated from its ethnocentric educations). And we can criticize edits (not users). Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 02:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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