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Speedy deletion nomination of Esther Passaris[edit]

Hello Deamonpen,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Esther Passaris for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Vinod 08:48, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Rommel myth article[edit]

FYI, I just checked the GA reviewer's talk page and he has been absent due to personal matters; see his post: "On my absence" therein. Kierzek (talk) 14:46, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thank alot, Kierzek, I didn't know.

Deamonpen (talk) 15:12, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Ötzi][edit]

Could you recheck your recent edit to [Ötzi]. I think there is a typo and it should read "flight an arrow" instead of "fight an arrow". Although, strangely, I can barely find any dictionaries that mention that used as a verb. Apparently I'm older than they are? (I do find a couple usages like this in specialist archery articles) Thanks. Shenme (talk) 00:43, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank a lot, Shenme. It was my stupid typo. Deamonpen (talk) 01:49, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More copyright issues[edit]

You still haven't absorbed the warning above. You've copied material directly from Peter Roberts[1] (a book which fails our criteria at WP:RS and should not be used as a source and from William Stiebing[2] where you slightly modified the text but that isn't enough. You also used someone writing on model boats as a source for " generally regarded by Egyptologists as one of the most successful pharaohs" - how does that make sense?

Some of your sources are published by Xulon and Lulu.com - both self-publishers - see WP:SPS. We need academic sources. Charles N. Pope is also self-published and clearly fringe, see his book about Atlantis.[3] Charlotte Booth is probably ok but we could do better, Cuppy is not ok for Egyptology. David Del Testa's specialty is "modern European and modern Southeast Asian history" so isn't an RS for this. Kerr seems ok. Doug Weller talk 13:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

-My sentences that collect info from Roberts were short, which read as followed: "Roberts comments that Thutmose II was not the child of a royal princess, thus his marriage with Hatshepsut was needed to give his succession letigimacy" "Senenmut was the child's tutor, and according to other authors, possibly father" "Hatshepsut was born around 1508 BC, the daughter of Thutmose I and his primary wife Ahmose. She first lived in Karnak, and then Thebes, the vibrant capital of the empire. Peter Roberts opines that her childhood would have been spent in a military atmosphere, considering her father's many campaigns." I think I only used language that would make the readers thought immediately of Roberts' book in one instance, that was "Thebes, the vibrant capital of the empire" (seven words in total, and as I now know, Us copyright laws, while declaring that they don't protect short phrases, do not mention how many words would be considered short, but this experienced editor who has worked 20 years in the publishing industry advises that ten words or less would not get one sued; I know, quantity will matter less if it is a substantial part of the book that makes people buy it. I do not see the potential here). That was not even half the sentence, which was "Her early childhood was spent in Karnak, and later in Thebes, the vibrant capital of the empire." If this is a violation on copyrights, which I've not managed to find out that it is yet, I'm really sorry. It was not deliberate from me.

If the standard is that harsh, that even phrases are not acceptable, I think major parts of this Hatshepsut article, rated as B class (meaning references have been checked - as far as I know) are not much more modified in comparison with mine: For example, most of the Tyldesley parts

"Hatshepsut's numerous statues were torn down and in many cases smashed or disfigured before being buried in a pit."

Her cartouches and images were chiselled off the stone walls - leaving very obvious Hatshepsut-shaped gaps in the artwork

Thutmose - not only Egypt's most successful general, but an acclaimed athlete, author, historian, botanist and architect

The Oracle of Amun proclaimed that it was the will of Amun that Hatshepsut be pharaoh.

sporadic and haphazard, with only the more visible and accessible

the prolific builder part from Duncan

Officially, she ruled jointly with Thutmose III who had ascended to the throne

designed and implemented by Senenmut

... too many to list so why does this high standard only apply for me?

when dianaa made the complaint above, I was quite new, actually the inspiration for what i wrote were not from the website s/he listed but I did not know how to react.

-don't see any problem with Booth

-William H. Stiebing Jr.: I only added the sources to sentences written previously by others.

-I didn't know that xulon was self publishing. I will be more careful. I knew Lulu was self publishing but I saw that book by Darlow quoted by other authors as a respectable source

-Hatshepsut was a building Pharaoh, and many of her achievements mentioned in the articles are about buildings, construction techniques, the navy and things like that. Thus I don't think an expert on Egyptian vessels does any harm.

-Del Testa, when teaching at California Lutheran University, did teach World History courses. I don't see why having opinions from an author who studies world leaders in general and compares them is a bad thing?

-On Pope's huge website on ancient history, it seems he manages it as he is a member of United States Library of Congress. I feel that the person is thus notable. Can you point me to a source that criticises his works on Ancient Egypt? Egyptologists seem to have a tendendy to have an interest in what would be considered "non scientific" (religious) somewhere, so I don't take any particular effort to dig out whether other than their books on the topic, they have made some ridiculous comments somewhere. And where is the links to Atlantis?

-Cuppy was not from me. i only moved him to another position Deamonpen (talk) 16:13, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't reply properly until tomorrow. You are right he doesn't say Atlantis but Atlantans, but see this. I'm a member of the Library of Congress, nothing special about that. Our policy on copyvio is our policy, not anyone else's. More tomorrow. Doug Weller talk 19:21, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I meant you were talking about a book he wrote but it was only a stupid comment. but Ok, if you are a member of that library and you said so. You're welcome

Deamonpen (talk) 20:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I accept that you are trying to avoid copyright violations. Basically, unless you quote, the text should be clearly your own words. That's our policy, which is distinct from copyright laws. See WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE.

If you think there are problems with the article you really need to take them up on the talk page.

As for Darlow, see this description He's clearly fringe (besides the fact I can't find any evidence of qualifications). Teaching world history doesn't make you an expert on Egyptology. Anything he knows he's gleaned from them. We should be using acknowledged experts in Egyptology. Again, how can someone who writes about boats be an expert on Egyptologists? You can take all these to WP:RSN and argue that they meet our criteria at WP:RS, but I'd advise you not to bother. Still, your choice. The Roberts book was written for students on the Higher School Certificate (New South Wales). Again, fails our criteria. He's not an Eygptologist. Why would we settle for sources by people without years of academic and practical experience in Egyptology? Doug Weller talk 15:10, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your input. I really did not know about the paraphrasing policies.

Thinking about Del Testa again, I now think regarding the specifics of events, real Egyptologists should be more respected, and thus I probably should not have used him regarding some details, but I think he should not be dismissed completely. because for a broader view of the situation, a look at the character of the subject, the place of hers/his in the world history, perhaps it's better to consider views from scholars with broader interests, even psychologists, social scientists... etc. I would think again about others. As for the statement (existed before I saw the article) that the subject has a rep as a great pharaoh, I have accumulated a lot of other sources but have not figured out a way to organise them yet. Deamonpen (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Morgenthau Plan: your revert[edit]

If I am not missing something, your revert and subsequent additional edit restored a situation (which I had corrected) where footnote 94 still contains a URL in the title field of the citation template and footnote 95 and footnote 96 point to exactly the same URL:

--Boson (talk) 09:51, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, sorry, originally the third link was mistakenly pasted into title: http://www.bpb.de/internationales/amerika/usa/10605/2-weltkrieg?p=all 10:15, 2 October 2016 (UTC)Deamonpen (talk)

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Hi Deamonpen, I'm trying to follow the discussion, but it's at times confusing due to occasional lack of signatures. For example: I don't know about Poland, but I don't think.... From the context, it appears that it's your post, but there's no indent in the post that follows, plus it's only one signature for both of them. I wonder if you could look at your posts and add signatures where needed? I'd like to contribute to the discussion, but it's a bit difficult at this point. --K.e.coffman (talk) 15:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will try. We posted things too quickly so... sorry. Thanks for your attention to the topic.

Battle of the Spurs[edit]

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I would have to agree with Urselius. If 20th-21st century sources state the same thing, then by all means we should use those. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, would do so.Deamonpen (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Emperor Max[edit]

I can live with the change here, but I have to say the attempt at art criticism in the edit summary is nonsense! Johnbod (talk) 14:59, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just repeated the impression I got from reading about the subject. His daughter Margaret thought the painting did not look like her father in normal conditions, and that Dürer exaggerated certain characteristics. On the other hand, some authors like Terjanian thought that the portrait was a very idealized portrayal of a man who was about to die very soon (and the next, more realistic portrait showed his corpse as very decimated). Anyway there is even a scholarly debate on Maximilian's appearance so a famous portrait will certain generate some noises, still...Deamonpen (talk) 15:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Question on the removal of my map from the HRE Page[edit]

Hey friend, I'm just shooting you a quick message wondering why you removed my map from the HRE wikipedia page under imperial reform in Feb 2022? I'm not mad or anything, I'm just curious. Was there something wrong with it and I should improve it or is there another reason.

Looking forward to hearing back from you, Cameron — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWiseBeluga (talk • contribs) 04:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it because it does not really correspond to the "Imperial Reform" period. Now that I think about it, it should be in the previous section rather than being removed completely. I've just reattached it. Thanks for this conversation. Deamonpen (talk) 04:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Barbara of Cilli[edit]

Hi Deamonpen. You added a reference to "Fößel 2017" to Barbara of Cilli, but the work isn't defined in the article. Could you add the needed cite, or let me know which work this refers to? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:46, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, that was my mistake. It's Kondor reporting about the works of Fößel and others, not Fößel herself. Deamonpen (talk) 13:36, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth of Luxembourg[edit]

Well, I am not here to quarrel again. I just wanted to say that I agree if we leave the page as it is at the very moment, with your footnotes and so on. In the very text, you mentioned the archbishop of Esztergom did not crown her, and there was a confusion over it. So we should not rewrite the whole wikipedia that there were multiple female kings in Hungary. Let's let the article as it is now. Super20020917 (talk) 16:24, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will rewrite the other Wiki pages, at least the notable ones. If other female monarchs are treated with the same standards (any sign of "confusion" is treated as the evidence that their title is not Queen regnant/Monarch, but all events pointing to the periods they were treated as monarches are inserted just as "notes"), many would be just usurpers and not monarchs, including:

-Wu Zetian, who was not recognized as Emperor by her son/successor, was referred to as Empress Consort Wu (and and illegal usurper) by traditional Confucian historians.

-Margaret of Denmark, who never used the title of King or Queen regnant in Sweden and Norway

By the way, if you have other opinions, bring it to the Elizabeth of Hungary page and its Talk page.

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Elizabeth of Luxembourg[edit]

For more stressing you could add that Elizabeth of Luxembourg was also crowned KING)))). Well, that will be ridiculous Super20020917 (talk) 18:41, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth of Luxembourg[edit]

See, Norden1990 with more than 45000 edits has also deleted your editssss! Because they are unpassable. So your sources are wrong. HAIL TO MARY, KING OF HUNGARY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Super20020917 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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