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Someone got mistaken for being you on deWiki: de:/Wikipedia:Vandalismusmeldung/Archiv/2014/05/24#Benutzer:Denniss_aka_en:User:Dennis_Bratland_.28erl..29, and the whole thing backfired in a couple of blocks. I also found the following two LTA pages: de:Benutzer:Jack User/GLGerman und seine Reinkarnationen and de:Benutzer:Seewolf/Liste_der_Schurken_im_Wikipedia-Universum#GLG_.2F_GLGerman.28n.29 obviously the user has a long history of socking not only here but also on deWiki. I will ask both to also have a look at our casepage maybe they can give as an idea for a rangeblock. Agathoclea (talk) 20:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into this. We need an admin fluent in both languages to sort it out. I can only use Google Translate on de.wikipedia and usually I lose the sense; Google doesn't understand most of the critical terms. Please let me know if you need me to take any action. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:19, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I am travelling today and maybe tomorow so I try an work something out afterwards. My theory is that if we can identify the user here (which is easier) and get a block enacted on deWiki where dedection is harder, it will take the fun out of editing here. Agathoclea (talk) 04:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

June 2014

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RE: EDIT warring

Yes, please see that. it is NOT an excuse for edit warring. the page is going nowhere, so per the BRD cycle your BOLD, and valid edit, was reverted. so please discuss and gain consensus before insisting on YOUR version as the right one. That is the point of BRD, to prevent edit warring along the lines of the BRD crycle. I don't see where you have consensus for the changed version...that's why we maintain the status qupo to prevent wars until consensus is brought oforthLihaas (talk) 11:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:BRD is an essay, not a policy or guideline. And it does not say what you think it says. Please re-read WP:BRD more carefully. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

July 2014

Not sure what copyright material you refer to when edited the MSF page. The only added material from MSF, which I represent. An overview of a research project and a curriculum? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Gladden (talk • contribs) 04:24, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

This edit contained a wholesale copy-paste of a MSF press release from 2011 called "Groundbreaking MSF 100 Motorcyclists Naturalistic Study Under Way Multiple Age Groups, Various Riding Environments". The MSF has chosen to copyright its press releases. I know this because if I look at http://www.msf-usa.org/News.aspx it says right at the bottom "©2014 MOTORCYCLE SAFETY FOUNDATION". So I'm sure you do represent the MSF, but there's a split personality disorder here. The MSF says the text is copyrighted, but you say it's not. Which is it? If it's not, you need to go to http://www.msf-usa.org/News.aspx and change the copyright notice on the page to one that is compatible with Wikipedia, like Creative Commons license.

But should you? No. Because Neutral point of view is one of Wikipedia's core policies. Press releases are not neutral. They tout their wares with peacock phrases like "landmark research initiative" and "world's first" and so on. This is self-serving, and is called a self-published source in Wikipedia terminology. If it is true that this is a landmark, first-ever initiative, then you should have no trouble finding a reliable independent source who says so with no conflict of interest. That's who you should cite for such statements, and the prose should be original, not copied from anywhere, and it should have a neutral tone.

I'm not trying to beat you up -- we appreciate your contributions. But it's very difficult to edit anything where you have a conflict of interest. You have to force yourself to think like somebody you're not. It's much easier to avoid articles like the one about your own organization, and contribute to other articles where you have some distance and objectivity. There are many motorcycling-related articles that we would love to have help on from someone like you. If you wish to continue to edit the Motorcycle Safety Foundation, I'd suggest you go to Talk:Motorcycle Safety Foundation and make suggestions there, and then let uninvolved editors make the direct changes to the article. That helps to overcome any challenges from personal bias. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I understand the point about the less than neutral tone in the text regarding the MSF 100 Naturalistic Study. That can be edited to be straight forward stats, apart from the press release text.

What about the list of curriculum? Is there another format for listing the RiderCourses, iTunes content and iTunes U content? Don't understand why that was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.3.20.236 (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Can we continue this discussion at Talk:Motorcycle Safety Foundation#Curriculum? — Brianhe (talk) 17:35, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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Cat Marnell

You were right to remove it. It comes from yet-to-be published material from her novel. User:Dylanedit — Preceding undated comment added 03:18, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Carburetor

I have added another source and re-edit the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pnegyesi (talk • contribs) 17:56, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I think you should start a new discussion at Talk:Carburetor to explain your sources and what you're trying to argue. We know that Daimler's patent suit was rejected by British courts. We know that two Hungarian guys got a patent for a stationary engine carburetor in 1993. The article states those facts. Why go beyond that? Please discuss it at Talk:Carburetor#Hungarians vs Edward Butler. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:00, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

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WP:ECHO tells me that you've mentioned me in this diff. But I think ECHO is wrong here...? Should we report an error? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:21, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

And this happened again with [1]. I think there's a bug with Template:Motorcycling invite; can you investigate it so I am not echo-spammed again? Thanks. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea. I started a thread at the notifications talk page. I assume it's going to ping you again because I used the template. Maybe someone there knows what's going on. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:53, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
@Piotrus: this sounds like a bug in notifications system, it is not supposed to look inside transclusions to obtain user IDs to notify. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:33, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, I've found that Notifications has been getting the user names of three people (Piotrus, Dennis Bratland, Pigsonthewing) from Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling/Article alerts. That page has now been de-transcluded from {{Motorcycling invite}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:49, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014

Hello. I am somewhat 'dismayed' that you have removed my Wild One/Red Dwarf reference again.

I do not agree with you that the YouTube channel of the BBC, one of the world's largest broadcasters, constitutes a fansite. Or that the *official* website, run by the programme's producers, Grant Naylor Productions, constitutes another.

Neither do I consider a link to a video clip where you can actually *watch* the clip and see the conversation played out first hand is an unreliable source.

I will now re-add the link, again.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianm358 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Please read the discussion at Talk:The Wild One. You don't seem to understand the problem with the citations you've given. None of them the significance of the Red Dwarf parody. That is the problem. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

You will be pleased to know that I have amended the reference in line with your suggestion on the Wild One talk page. I have also added a citation needed reference to a totally uncited entry that seems to have missed your attention. (talk) 21:43, 5 August 2014 (BST)

  • I do not respond well to threats. Continued attempts to bully me on this WILL be reported to an admin.Brianm358 (talk) 22:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


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You're welcome. Thought maybe I could spice things up a bit, so I googled around and added some proper citations. Only thing missing is a public domain picture of the subject. Blake Gripling (talk) 05:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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Rent Regulation

Your reversion (of my reversion of somebody else's reversion)...made the article worse. I explain why in the first section of the talk page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rent_regulation ). My edit summary was perhaps too terse before. By "the truth" I meant what is verifiable based on sources listed, and it doesn't matter WHICH reference you use as they BOTH verify the same result - that the economic consensus view as of the 1990s was - still - that rent control is on-net harmful.

"THE view developed among American economists in the 1990s..." is frankly an indefensible claim, and certainly not verified by either reference given. "A view developed among SOME American economists in the 1990s..." is defensible based on the reference to Arnott. Does that make sense? Blogjack (talk) 23:46, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

There's a discussion of this with other editors seeking consensus over at Talk:Rent regulation. Is there a reason to start a separate discussion of the same thing over here? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
No, discussing it there is fine. I just wanted to make sure you saw my comment there, because the existing state of that section of the article is truly awful and I'd really like not to leave it in that state too long. Blogjack (talk) 04:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Re: LMAs

If you want a good "only the essentials" version, Duopoly_(broadcasting)#Virtual_duopolies breaks down the essentials better. This LMA stuff has been a very touchy controversy lately, and an attempt to avoid them whenever possible is simply causing outright carnage on Birmingham right now. ViperSnake151  Talk  00:15, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not really up to me. The DYK people will pick which hook they like. I just put in my two cents. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:36, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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KTM

Thanks very much for notifying me personally about your reversion to the KTM talk page. I'm doing my best to research talk page edits as you ,essaged me. I've asked a question here to hopefully get me, and others squared away with regard to modifying talk pages when they just plain suck.

I'd also love to get your opinion on the specific section on the KTM talk page called Talk:KTM#KTM_ownership - from my point of view, it's completely irrelevant and has absolutely no place on Wikipedia. It's closer to a YouTube comment rant than anything else I can think of. That was the focus of my edit, but I probably got a little overzealous in trying to clean it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sudopeople (talk • contribs) 20:21, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

The talk page comment was made on July 2, 2008, over six years ago. No further replies have been added by anyone since then, so it's rather difficult to imagine how the off-topic comment is disruptive. If someone added something like that today, I'd probably remove it. But for now I'd let sleeping dogs lie. I'll add an automated talk page archive to Talk:KTM with the default parameters. When the page grows large enough, the oldest threads will be automatically copied over to an archive. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I was under the impression that off-topic comments need not be ulteriorly disruptive. The mere fact that it's taking up space is enough reason for me to remove it in some way (archival at a minimum) based on the refactoring guidelines, specifically "Removal of off-topic, uncivil[...]" Anyway, I don't really care much, but I've been wondering about the talk page clean up process for quite a while, and your actions helped me get a much better understanding of it. Thanks again! Sudopeople (talk) 16:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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