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Elandon Roberts

Why did you delete my entry for Elandon Roberts ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waltherk1 (talk • contribs) 09:22, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Elandon Roberts

Do I simply need to have the University of Houston provide content affirmation in order to have the site placed back into the System ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waltherk1 (talk • contribs) 09:31, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

I explain on your talk page [1]
There are a few issues 1) the content was copied and pasted and thus not okay by copyright 2) you need to use independent sources Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:47, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Ramaz School mission

Doc James,

I work for Ramaz and one of my current projects is to reflect institutional language and ideas on the Wikipedia page. Any language I use has the permission of Ramaz to use in all materials.

Berkoar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berkoar (talk • contribs) 13:33, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

As you have a WP:COI please do not directly edit the page in question. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

That's not going to happen. Your page of Ramaz is inadequate and does not accurately reflect the history, academic life or student life of the school. I guarantee that institutions like Phillips Exeter Academy (16 pages), Horace Mann School (13 pages) or Lawrenceville School (10 pages) had people from within their respective institutions who helped build up their respective pages, and Ramaz, as a historic educational institution, deserves that same opportunity. If you'd really like, I can do the same edits in another 10 days when I'm no longer employed by the school, but I guarantee that, especially with my impending termination of employment, I have no COI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berkoar (talk • contribs) 13:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Jinnah Jame School and College

Hey Doc ! I wanna create an article with the name , Jinnah jame school and College , and wikipedia says I must contact one of administrators who recently deleted the page with this name, So can you help me please ? Saimali7 (talk) 18:05, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

You can see Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Jambul Jigauri

A few days ago you speedy deleted this article per WP:G12, claiming it infringed on copyrighted material published here. I'm assuming this was a simple copy/paste error, since the linked page bears no resemblance to the deleted article and doesn't even mention the subject. Could I trouble you to restore and re-delete the article with correct link so that it appears in the article's deletion log? Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:00, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Sir Sputnik his block of text is "plays an attacking role, most often playing as either a striker, or as a winger, and is known in particular for his finishing, pace, dribbling, crossing and ability on free kicks. He is able to play on either wing as well through the center of the pitch, making him a versatile attacker, capable of playing in any offensive position."[2]
And is word for word the same as this block of text "plays an attacking role, most often playing as either a striker, or as a winger, and is known in particular for his finishing, pace, dribbling, crossing and ability on free kicks. He is able to play on either wing as well through the center of the pitch, making him a versatile attacker, capable of playing in any offensive position."[3]
The only thing that changed is the name of the player. And while that text was on a different Wikipedia page, per BY one still needs to say which page it was from.
This user had already copied and pasted from other sites and is indefinately blocked as a sockpuppet [4] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:01, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Biliary atresia

Hi Doc. Some strange edits on Biliary atresia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
An IP adds some apparent miracle cures additions and then another IP removes them leaving a bit of a mess. Would you please check into this? I'm concerned with making it worse. Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 09:12, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Restored the lead. Havn't look closely at the other changes. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:11, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Please monitor: racial bias by Permstrump?

Hi Doc James. On the Talk page for Non-paternity event I have written the following message for user Permstrump: "I have been observing your editing activities for a while, and it appears to me that you are systematically deleting demographic parameters of non-white populations from this (and possibly other) Wikipedia pages. You give various reasons for your deletions from time to time, (copyright infringement etc.), but the final outcome of your edits is always the same: non-white demographic values are deleted. I am notifying Doc James and am considering to report you for racial bias to a Wikipedia administrator, but would first like to invite you to comment."

Doc, it concerns me that Wikipedia would thereby be propagating "whites-only" demographic values which, if taken seriously by readers, would have a negative impact on the design of medical epidemiological studies, and presumably on other research fields as well. I would be grateful if you could monitor the discussion, with a view perhaps that Permstrump reverses some or all of his/her deletions on Wikipedia. Thank you.86.154.102.134 (talk) 10:58, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Which edits do you find concerning? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:14, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Requesting user right

Hello Doc James, I am requesting user right Page mover. I tried to request at PERM, but I keep getting a template error...most likely my fault. I have read the guidelines of WP:PMR and meet the requirements per registered since 2013 from retired account Jerm729. I know my move log is short, but I believe this tool will be useful for convenience sake. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 04:44, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Done. Would be useful for you to create an archive for your talk page. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:05, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
@Doc James Thank you and funny you said I should have archives, when I was in discussion with another admin about recreating the archives the same time I requested for the user right. If I have them recreated, will my deleted discussions be archived automatically? — JudeccaXIII (talk) 03:47, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Not your deleted one. You would likely need to do that manually. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:51, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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Art of Newfoundland and Labrador

Hi Doc,

That Art of Newfoundland and Labrador page was a work in progress, and something I had been working on for the past week. The copy and paste for Labrador was a first step, pending research that I was being sent by a professor of Labradorian art this coming week. The rest of the article was fully cited.

I am a curator of contemporary art at the provincial art gallery -- it is my job to write about art in the province in NL, and I was working very hard on that article.

Is it possible to reinstate the page so that I can continue to edit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lassoprecise (talk • contribs) 11:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Lassoprecise The problem is one cannot add any material that is copied and pasted from sources unless those sources are under an open license. I can email you the document for you to work on but all copyright issues must be removed before posting it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:57, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Art of Newfoundland and Labrador

I will edit it. Thanks. It was a lot of work lost, so I'd really appreciate having that article reinstated. email: mireilleeagan(at)therooms.ca — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lassoprecise (talk • contribs) 11:59, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Turnitin scan request

Hi, The original Diana Wall article was flagged for copyvio last week. Janstrugnell has re-written and uploaded as Draft:Diana Wall. If you have a moment, could you do another scan for copyvio to make sure we removed all of it? Thanks! T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 03:25, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

So the bot runs automatically. But I do not think we have it set to run on draft space. Will see about changing it to do so. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:12, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. In that case, I'll submit ofr AfC and I guess it'll be scanned once up in mainspace. Thanks again, T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 04:37, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Large local reaction listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Large local reaction. Since you had some involvement with the Large local reaction redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 04:07, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks replied and provided evidence. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:16, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

You know nothing but your own ego

Before you delete other people contributions please do some homework first. It takes time to study and write something and this is much harder than hit a button to delete other people contribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.96.119.97 (talk) 03:11, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

You need a ref that supports the content in question. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:04, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

If you know nothing about watches or relationship between Bulova and Miyota better try these page first.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f705/difference-between-bulova-precisionist-uhf-movements-3095178.html

And please give some proof that what I write for Citizen page is a wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.96.119.97 (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

The request was for a reference. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:27, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
This should give you some context: WP:CITE. All content in Wikipedia must be supported by reliable, verifiable, published sources. An editor's word "I know this is true" is not good enough for Wikipedia, no matter who the editor is.--Beneficii (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Empty nose syndrome

Hi, I saw you took an interest in the Empty nose syndrome page. I'd really appreciate your advice on how I can get some editors with proper expertise to look at the page and help me get it into shape and keep it that way. Dubbinu | t | c 08:12, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Dubbin happy to take a lot. The big thing is sticking to high quality review articles. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! I just found I am now public enemy number 1 on the ENS forums which have been mobilising to register new editors for the page... Dubbinu | t | c 12:45, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
You have a link to that? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Probably this. - Brianhe (talk) 13:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Correct, and within that thread, there is mention of a facebook group having been notified. User:Jytdog has kindly taken up the challenge of sorting the article out during the lock. My preferred strategy would be to dip out of the debate until those edits are done and other editors have made it clear what standards are required for such an article. I can't see things improving through my reiterating the guidelines and pointing out what neutrality is. Many thanks for any assistance you can offer. (Incidentally I'm also happy to hear if you think I've been too dogmatic.) Dubbinu | t | c 14:56, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
You did great. Thanks for manning the front lines on that! Jytdog (talk) 15:22, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Edits

Hi Doc James, you recently blocked me for I guess not mailing you back on a site where I'm not logged on. I understand that if my work is erased, then I just let it be. I don't understand your reason for this note, please explain further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 769.pebbles.123 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I think the link you left in my defense is irrelevant, I didn't write anything in another language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 769.pebbles.123 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I am not following you User:769.pebbles.123. You appear to have copied and pasted from sources. And you are not providing sources for your additions. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:02, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

You gave me a link to a source you think I copied and pasted, and it wasn't in English. Can you tell where I did this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 769.pebbles.123 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 8 June 2016 (UTC) Where you blocked me, I'm just waiting for it to expire anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 769.pebbles.123 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Doc James, I didn't have any questions, and now where do I provide my references at? It won't look right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 769.pebbles.123 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I did not copy and paste, from a book, impossible. Can you please tell me where I did this from anyway? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 769.pebbles.123 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

You added[5]
"As arteriosclerosis progresses, there comes a time when some part of the coronary artery system no longer carries blood to that part of the heart which it serves. It is this final obstruction of a coronary blood vessel that brings on the typical heart attack. Every branch of the coronary artery system has its own area of the heart to supply with blood. When any part of the system becomes unable to convey blood, the area of the heart then deprived of blood begins to deteriorate, and with this impairment comes the danger of sudden death. For those who survive a coronary heart attack, the healing process involves replacing the muscle of the affected part of the heart with scar tissue. The scar, of course, does not have the ability to contract; therefore, it is unable to do its share of the work of the heart. The healed heart is never as efficient as the heart before attack. What is more, the person who has survived one heart attack faces the prospect of another heart attack, because the arteriosclerosis still exists, and other parts of the coronary artery system may yet become obstructed."
Ref from 2012 says[6] ([7])
"But this is not all. The area of the heart which is now deprived of its blood begins to soften and with this comes the danger that it may even rupture under the stress of continued heart action. This accounts, in part, for the deaths that occur a few hours or even a few days after the heart attack begins. Half of the deaths due to heart attack are caused by uncontrolled irregularity of the heart rhythm.
For those who survive a coronary heart attack, the healing process involves replacing the muscle of the affected part of the heart with scar tissue. The scar, of course, does not have the ability to contract; therefore it is unable to do its share of the work of the heart. The healed heart is never as efficient as it was before the heart attack. What is more, the person who has survived one heart attack is still a prospect for another heart attack because the fundamental condition of arteriosclerosis still exists, and other parts of the coronary artery system may yet become obstructed".
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:27, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
This edit [8] was copied from [9] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Have blocked your account as you continue to copy and paste. We can have the discussion on your talk page. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Review requested

As you have medical experience, I was wondering if you could give this the once over: Choking_game , It's apparently become topical in the UK press for some reason. Citations to Medical Journals or PUbmed Id's to back some of the claims in the article would be excellent ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I am seeing two reviews User:ShakespeareFan00
[10]
[11]
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Hepatitis B vaccine usage table

Firstly, thanks for adding the correct source to support the content on the above article.

Secondly, I'm guessing that the initial edit was for only OECD nations. (there seems to be a group of POV pushing socks, that make a lot of OECD related tables, to push South Korea to the top (or near the top) of as many lists as possible)

As the source gives data for non-OECD nations, can you think of any reasons for it being OECD only? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

I changed the table to the entire WHO list. However...the table format is awful! I tried to find an online tool to convert it nicely, that doesn't require coding experience. Tried and failed. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Spacecowboy420: You just have to separate the columns with double pipe symbol. I did the A countries so you can see how it's done. - Brianhe (talk) 07:15, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
I have a useful tool here for converting CSV files to Wiki tables. Basically all you need is the data in a spreadsheet and than save it as CSV.[12] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:43, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Spotting Heat-related Trauma and conditions

voy:Arid_region_safety#Stay_healthy. - I figured you may be a better person to write any more specfic advice here. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Tripterygium wilfordii

Hey Doc--can you or any of your talk page stalkers have a look at and improve this? If my mom's friend is asking if the leaves should be eaten raw or cooked, it's a happening thing, and if it's a happening thing the Wikipedia article should be the best it can be. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:03, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Sure User:Drmies will take a look. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:44, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

PDAC

Doc James, I really think that PDAC should be spelled out NEXT to the abbreviation (on the Pancreatic Cancer page). That's why I have added the ductal. It's nowhere clear where this abbreviation is coming from if you don't explain it. I got confused until I looked it up in PubMed. Peteruetz (talk) 00:56, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay how is this for clarification [13] User:Peteruetz? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:58, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
That's better although I am usually in favor of the less verbose way to explain things, i.e. spell it out and add the abbreviation in parentheses. Same for the PanNETs which are used in several headings without any explanation. THat's why I ahve added it to one of the headings. Remember that Wikipedia is for laypeople not for experts like you. And it's usually better if you can find information quickly, that's at least my take of an encyclopedia. Thanks, Peteruetz (talk) 01:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
We explained PanNETs here "The small minority of tumors that arise elsewhere in the pancreas are mainly pancreatic neuroendocrine tumors (PanNETs)." Per the MOS we keep headings short generally and do not have links within headings.
As this is a FA many people with a better understanding of the MOS have gone over the article. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:09, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

IP

When you are there to decide what to keep and what not even if it is relevant to the subject of knowledge/discussion, why we need to spend time to improve the Wikipedia pages. All the best with your endevour here. Good bye! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.94.210 (talk) 14:41, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

I imagine you are speaking about the removal of copy and pasted content. If not you will need to provide more details. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:08, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

hi...List of epidemics

I know your busy, I wanted to know if adding [14] to [15] at bottom of the table is OK w/ you (the references could be improved, if needed[16][17]),thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:20, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Ebola and the recent flu outbreak did not recent in that many deaths. HIV/AIDs, tuberculosis, malaria, and epidemic meningitis each result in more deaths. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:32, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Toxoplasmosis

Toxoplasmosis Cycle(1)

Hey Doc. It's me again, the faculty advisor of the the WP:APBIO project. You have removed the newly created image. I would like it to stay here's why: the CDC public domain image is tagged with recreate using a vector based image, this new image is a vector based image and a high quality one at that. It has visual information and content not included in the CDC image. My student originally wanted to replace the CDC image but chose not to since there was additional human based information in the CDC image not found in her's. Additionally I would like to point out that this is a VERY long article and only has two images. This article certainly isn't cluttered with visual information so I don't think trimming for length necessary. Let me know. Thanks.Earthdirt (talk) 20:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Earthdirt they cover a lot of the same information. Will look again Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:57, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
User:Earthdirt did the student draw each picture themselves? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:39, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
They did draw the image themselves using Google Draw. Earthdirt (talk) 01:22, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Even the cat? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
I assume so, I saw her do some of the other elements during class time. If you suspect plagiarism please let me know. I know this student didn't finish until the night before. Here's a link to a copy of her google file, I helped her tweak some things, the cat parts seems made of many individual lines. [18] Earthdirt (talk) 03:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
I just did an image search using a screen shot from the cat as the image search and found a VERY close match here [19]. From that source diagram its definitely different and created by the student, from that "how to draw a cat" webpage. Definitely not plagiarism, but perhaps a copyright violation under derivative work (or maybe faithful reproduction) violation....but it is a how to draw a cat page. What are your thoughts on this? Earthdirt (talk) 03:26, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

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ALS

Just a friendly note: it's improper to revert an editor and then re-add nearly the same text, as you did at Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis [20]. The sentence needs to remain properly attributed to its author, which in this case is IP editor 128.179.128.79.

Also, I wonder why I instantly knew you would revert the IP edit the moment I saw it - even though there wasn't anything blatantly wrong with it. You have had reverted my improvements to this article years ago - don't you think it's a case of WP:OWNERSHIP? Thanks and regards, — kashmiri TALK 18:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome User:Kashmiri to my talk page. It appears you are still upset about not being able to remove pricing information for essential medicines in the developing world per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Price_of_medications.
"case-control studies provided strong evidence" is not supported by the references in question as I stated in the edit summary[21].
I therefore toned down / corrected the wording so the secondary sources provided actually supports it. Per WP:MEDRS we tend not to use primary sources for medical content. Not sure what you mean by "The sentence needs to remain properly attributed to its author"
Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:58, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
By my revert of your "improvement" do you mean the addition of The Incredible Hulk to the ALS article based on the Incredible Hulk comic book as the reference?[22] We tend to require independent sources. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:08, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi, the Hulk thingie wasn't my work - was only a restore of another editor's text. I meant this: [23] where you reverted me to a clearly inferior version and did not restore despite our discussion [24]. You continued "owning" the article ever since.
As to pricing, I actually have no grudge whatsoever - it turned out (surprise surprise!) that there is no consensus about including pricing details in articles. I am leaving in your pricing debate in salbutamol, although as a regular salbutamol user, buying it from all over the world, I am painfully aware how irrelevant the pricing info is.
Here, today, I meant that the first thing you did was hitting the revert button again. I fully agree that "case control" wasn't the most fortunate wording (nor was "evidence" in the context of a retrospective study that showed a not statistically significant correlation). But, the majority of the IP editor's text was fine - only, it now remains attributed to you. Regards, — kashmiri TALK 21:56, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
You restored the Hulk stuff so yes it was you. Now in the prior edit you removed the history of the disease from the lead as well as how common it is, unsure why [25]
My previous edit also removed your assertion that ALS is "inherited from parents", which is false, and you restored it despite my objections. Do you really require a course on what precisely is inherited in autosomal dominant or recessive inheritance, and from whom? Your proposed definition of ALS is a circular definition as it only specifies the class and no differentia specifica - I had also pointed to that to no avail. — kashmiri TALK 23:21, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
As someone who is involved with cost benefit analysis for a health region I fully realize how relevant pricing information is. We are not just writing for patients.
Relevant for payers, sure. Much less for patients, unless in case of countries and/or drugs where patients have no health insurance.
Can you explain where I added the IP's text? Here was the change in text I made [26]Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:08, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
That's not the only change you made. Your changes included removing IP text in your previous edit. I posted a link above. Your edit included exact wording of the IP editor. — kashmiri TALK 23:21, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
What you claim does not really make sense.
With respect to inheritance please read the Lance review which says "About 5–10% of ALS is familial, with a Mendelian pattern of inheritance." Genetic issues are either inherited from your parents or develop denovo. Whether something is autosomal dominant or recessive is not really of importance in this issue. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Bolding trade names

Re this edit: are you sure that the alternative trade names in oxandrolone shouldn't be bold? Anavar and Oxandrin are bold, and the alternative trade names' articles redirect to oxandrolone. Exercisephys (talk) 22:30, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)The use of boldface is pretty restricted by the Manual of Style (MOS:BOLD) and as far as I know, does not include trade names unless they are the subject of the article, bolded once in the lede. - Brianhe (talk) 22:39, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks User:Brianhe my internet is going in and out. We generally just include the first / most common brand name bolded in the lead. We than have a couple of more in the infobox and put others in the body. Only the ones in the lead are bolded. Many meds can have 100s of brand names which could result in large blocks of bolded text that would look unusual. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:40, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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If you have a proposal or idea you are thinking about, and would like a space to work on it on your own or with others, please consider joining us for either the Thursday or Saturday sessions. We'll discuss a little about IdeaLab and how it works, and the rest of the time is space for idea building. You can also use this session to ask questions about Wikimedia Foundation grants that are available if your proposal or idea may need funding. Thanks, and see you at the conference! I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 20:45, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Want to say

…as much as I respect your work in general, first, that your removal of the tags indicating the very poor quality of sourcing at human sexuality was a drive-by, and uncalled for. I came there on invite, to review that article as a disinterested academic party, in particular, to evaluate the quality of sourcing. I documented, extensively, what I found, including book after book without page numbers (tens of examples), disreputable web source (including commercial sites for sex paraphernalia), as well as a myriad of other issues. As I said, all of this was documented in extensive Talk sections that cataloged the issues. For you to sweep in, and to remove the tags, stating only that they were not necessary, and not addressing the myriad of substantive issues recorded, is disrespectful and heavy handed. You are a doc, and a great editor. But you are not the ultimate, authoritative "not necessary" arbiter in all cases you light upon. Read the Talk, edit and then take the time to comment—or pass it by.

I returned the pages needed tag, to start, and re-documented the continuing and growing issue of book sources lacking page numbers (more than 30 cases). Here is another simple example of the source issues that are rampant there (and this, a more subtle one than most), here, the diff. Le Prof 50.129.227.141 (talk) 07:49, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Otherwise, in re: the discussion there, regarding (the wholly separate) matter of image sourcing. I utterly reject your strep throat argument. Not because I do not trust you to find a patient with the malady, take an image, and properly document and describe it—thus, through your expertise, giving it the authority it needs to be encyclopedic. I reject it because WP does not recognize editor expertise as a source of content authority; for authority, sourcing to an authoritative work is required. And if it is okay for you to take strep throat pictures, it is OK for my 15-year old nephew to take an image of his purportedly "sprained knee," and do the same. Heaven help us. (Go to the DVT article, for an existing, non-hypothetical of the selfie-approach to medical representation.) Where does this stop? No, a thousand times no. Authorities must be cited, that the image is what it purports to be, and that its labels or other text content are accurate. Otherwise, we are not trusting you, we are trusting the likes of my nephew! For the full monty, see my essay, in followup to the discussion that you helped close with your strep throat argument, at the human sexuality article.

I know I am "spitting into the wind" on the image sourcing matter, but do not care. This is an egregious example of an inconsistency in policy application that will be disastrous in the long run, after you and I and others can no longer express our authority here. When the untrained DVT-selfie-taking masses rise to fill the void you leave—apart from serious policy reform (esp. in its application), I will no longer recommend anything here, at all (not even from the fine Wikiproject Medicine area). Cheers. Le Prof 50.129.227.141 (talk) 06:43, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

With respect to tagging, all one needs is either inline tags or tags at the top. One does not need both IMO.
With respect to images, we allow OR for these. It is because published pictures are typically copyrighted.
Also we know that about half our editors are health care providers. The community acts as peer reviewers. We remove images that do not look like what they are claimed to be. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Le Prof if you are proposing that all images should be both open and come from reliable sources than that would remove more than half of all images from Wikipedia. Is this what you are proposing?
I am for greater liberalization around images. In fact I am of the opinion that we should allow NC licensed videos and clearly mark them as such if non CC BY SA versions are avaliable. There is a lot of great NC content out there and while pictures are easy to make, good videos are not easy to make. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
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