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Dunedin, FL
[edit]I represent the Dunedin History Museum and the city historian. The reference link(s) to the first land grant and the incorporation of the city is from an old incorrect city of Dunedin page. The dates 1852 and 1925 are incorrect for the first land grant and the founding of the city.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.96.115.241 (talk • contribs) 15:10 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Arecaceae
[edit]In fact that editor has repeatedly refused to advise me of what the problem is. I'm surprised to hear that editor is an experienced editor as I had not seen need to check. Right off attempting to inject FRINGE political bias and going on to repeatedly demand I debate positions I don't hold is strange for an experienced editor. I have said several times that we can remove and change any parts of my added text and asked how he wants to do that: He still refuses to reply instead insisting on these debates. Invasive Spices (talk) 31 January 2022 (UTC)
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The Alburys of Man-O-War Cay
[edit]Say Donald, are you related to the Alburys, famed boat-builders on Man-O-War Cay in the Bahamas? I met a woman at the Publix in Fleming Island who said she is one of those Alburys, and I thought of you. Carlstak (talk) 17:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have been to Man-O-War Cay, many years ago, saw the boat-building shed. My grandfather was from Harbor Island. I just got to see the house he grew up in earlier this year. Donald Albury 17:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's some interesting history. I've not been to Harbor Island. I sailed to the Abacos with a friend, and was really glad we had plenty of beer on board when we got to dry Man-O-War Cay.;-) Some of the places we hung out around the islands are gone, destroyed by Hurricane Dorian. Carlstak (talk) 19:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I thought I remembered a bar with paper money plastered all over the walls on Man-O-War Cay, but maybe that was on Green Turtle Cay. That was about 35 years ago, a 3-day cruise out of Port Canaveral. No worry about going dry on Harbor Island or Eleuthera. :-) Donald Albury 19:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Haha. Had to be Green Turtle Cay. The people (mostly Albury descendants) of Man-O-War Cay are very religious-dry. There's an outdoor bar at Doctors Lake on the St. Johns that has dollar bills stapled all over the posts and wherever (there are no walls). I don't know how they've managed to stay in place for years with all the high-winds squalls passing through most days this time of year. There's no one there till late afternoon, so the plastic enclosures remain rolled up. Carlstak (talk) 20:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are a lot of Alburys in the Bahamas, and I hear of or run into one I'm not (that I know of) related to every once of a while in Florida. Folklore has it that the Abacos were settled by loyalists after the American Revolution, while Harbor Island and Eleuthera were settled earlier, initially from Bermuda. I do not know how many Albury lines entered the Bahamas. There once were a dozen different villages in England called Albury, and apparently a number of people from various of those villages went to sea. Donald Albury 22:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I went to high school with Alburys, but didn't know any of this history then. My understanding is that many of the Loyalists in East Florida evacuated to the Bahamas from Amelia Island (Fernandina didn't exist until 1811) after the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783. Carlstak (talk) 22:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- A lot of loyalists in the southern colonies had sought refuge in East Florida after the war turned against the British in the south. They tried to transplant cotton plantation culture to the islands, but it didn't work out. Donald Albury 22:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I like what our Palatka article says about Denys Rolles' unsuccessful plantation experiment at Rollestown. "He recruited settlers off the streets of London to serve as indentured servant/workers: they included paupers, vagrants, pickpockets and "penitent prostitutes". Yeah, that would really work, lol. What could he have been thinking?
- PS: You've probably noticed that I've made the move of content from Spanish missions in Georgia to Missions in Spanish Florida that we discussed. Please let me know if I've done anything wrong on the talk page; not that you wouldn't anyway.;-) I probably need to do some more work on the refs, but I wanted to make the move before you guys did much more editing. Carlstak (talk) 23:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll take a good look tomorrow. Had wine with dinner and it is close to my bed time. Donald Albury 01:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The proposal I made was accepted, so I won't have as much time online for a few days. But I'll check my subscriptions in the morning, at lunch, and in the evening. I didn't change the text much at all, just the arrangement of sections and some of the headings,combining and removing some, for more of a narrative flow as far as possible. Carlstak (talk) 02:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I like what our Palatka article says about Denys Rolles' unsuccessful plantation experiment at Rollestown. "He recruited settlers off the streets of London to serve as indentured servant/workers: they included paupers, vagrants, pickpockets and "penitent prostitutes". Yeah, that would really work, lol. What could he have been thinking?
- A lot of loyalists in the southern colonies had sought refuge in East Florida after the war turned against the British in the south. They tried to transplant cotton plantation culture to the islands, but it didn't work out. Donald Albury 22:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I went to high school with Alburys, but didn't know any of this history then. My understanding is that many of the Loyalists in East Florida evacuated to the Bahamas from Amelia Island (Fernandina didn't exist until 1811) after the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783. Carlstak (talk) 22:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are a lot of Alburys in the Bahamas, and I hear of or run into one I'm not (that I know of) related to every once of a while in Florida. Folklore has it that the Abacos were settled by loyalists after the American Revolution, while Harbor Island and Eleuthera were settled earlier, initially from Bermuda. I do not know how many Albury lines entered the Bahamas. There once were a dozen different villages in England called Albury, and apparently a number of people from various of those villages went to sea. Donald Albury 22:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Haha. Had to be Green Turtle Cay. The people (mostly Albury descendants) of Man-O-War Cay are very religious-dry. There's an outdoor bar at Doctors Lake on the St. Johns that has dollar bills stapled all over the posts and wherever (there are no walls). I don't know how they've managed to stay in place for years with all the high-winds squalls passing through most days this time of year. There's no one there till late afternoon, so the plastic enclosures remain rolled up. Carlstak (talk) 20:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I thought I remembered a bar with paper money plastered all over the walls on Man-O-War Cay, but maybe that was on Green Turtle Cay. That was about 35 years ago, a 3-day cruise out of Port Canaveral. No worry about going dry on Harbor Island or Eleuthera. :-) Donald Albury 19:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's some interesting history. I've not been to Harbor Island. I sailed to the Abacos with a friend, and was really glad we had plenty of beer on board when we got to dry Man-O-War Cay.;-) Some of the places we hung out around the islands are gone, destroyed by Hurricane Dorian. Carlstak (talk) 19:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Florida tribes population size at first contact with Europeans
[edit]OK no problem. BTW, are there anywhere available population size estimates (at first contact with Europeans) for these Non-Timucua Florida tribes? Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 18:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Domen von Wielkopolska: Population estimates in scholarly works are few and vague. Milanich (Florida Indians and the Invasion from Europe 1995) offers estimates of 50,000 Apalachee, 150,000 Timucua speakers in what is now Florida, and 150,000 others in central and southern Florida and the panhandle. He does not break that down further. Hann (Indians of Central and South Florida, 1513-1763 2003, p. 54) says,
The population of south Florida as a whole--and its individual components in the early sixteenth century and for much of the period down to that population's disappearance shortly after the middle of the eighteenth century--is as largely unknown as are the languages its peoples spoke.
Hann discusses population estimates for the Calusa. One conservative estimate is that the Calusa population was between 4,000 and 7,000, but Hann says that is probably far too conservative. Spanish sources give figures of 10,000 and 20,000 Calusa. Other Spanish reports vary widely. I am not aware of any such details about other peoples in southern and central Florida. With the exception of the Calusa, the peoples of south and central Florida were usually organized as simple chiefdoms. The chiefdoms around Tampa Bay were spaced about 15 miles apart, but, again, I am not aware of reliable population estimates for them.Luer, George M.; Marion M. Almy (September 1981). "Temple Mounds of the Tampa Bay Area". The Florida Anthropologist. 34 (3): 127–155. Donald Albury 21:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
The Mayaimi are not identical with the Guacata? Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 18:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- As I wrote on Talk:Mayaimi, I found no sources that said they were the same, and several reliable sources saying that Guacata was on the Atlantic Coast, or at least east of Lake Okeechobee, while Mayaimi was west of Lake Okeechobee. Donald Albury 21:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)