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Continuing our conversation

I'm going to take this here because I think it's going to get a bit off-topic for the edit warring noticeboard. First, no problem with fixing the link to your name. The only reason I linked at all was that I wanted to test if it would give you a notification. So, speaking of which, did it?

More on the original topic: the question of who should give warnings of discretionary and how they should be phrased has been inconsistently understood by everyone for a long time. Annoyingly, last time we checked, even the arbs did not agree what our policies meant on it! I'm of the opinion that warnings of discretionary sanctions ought to be considered mere notices that they exist, with no implication of wrongdoing on the part of the recipient, and thus issuable by anyone, whether an admin or not, whether involved or not. Others believe warnings ought to be more like when the cops warn you the first time you're caught speeding: an official part of the sanctioning process, and thus issuable only by uninvolved admins. And our current policy uses different wordings in different places that can support either interpretation depending on where you look. So it's kind of a mess. I hope the committee will resolve the matter quite soon, even if they find against the way I think it ought to be, just so we can have clarity and consistency! It's a pain for AE admins, but probably even worse for the content editors who get mired in these disputes! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 00:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much Heimstern for this information. I had no idea, so it is very useful and interesting. I quite agree. Any decision would be better than the present unclear situation. At least I don't feel guilty for not knowing the existence of any common templates for ARBAA2. :) I want to thank you for taking the time to check into this latest report and providing the official warning. Your action is very much appreciated. As far as the notification it didn't work because afaik for it to be picked up by the new notification system it must have the "user:" prefix. But if you ask me this new notification system is so powerful it gets sometimes annoying. I somehow preferred the old times when I would get surprised if I saw my name being mentioned somewhere, hopefully in a nice way. :) Now we have this all-seeing, all-knowing system that eavesdrops on everything. I guess that's Big Brother progress. What can you do. Anyway, thank you again. It is always nice talking to you. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Aw, dag, I messed up that link. Oh well. Will have to test it again another time! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
You are welcome to test it anytime and I will respond then to let you know if it worked. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Trackers of Oxyrhynchus

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Just saw it on the front page when I logged on. Congrats!  davidiad { t } 04:11, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much Davidiad for your encouragement. It is indeed somehow strange even for me to see this satyr play on the main page. I guess Harrison's mission to make such a hitherto exclusive preserve of the high-art elites accessible to the masses just got a boost by Wikipedia. Not a bad day's work in the end. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 04:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Indeed. Have you read the Ichneutae? There's a link to an online text and translation at the Perseus Project in the article (which is something I've been meaning to spruce up for over a year).  davidiad { t } 23:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
I only read the local article on Ichneutae. I was very disappointed to see it cut-off so abruptly as Apollo entered the scene. Whatever was rescued sounded wonderful. Now that you mentioned it, I'll look into the Perseus Project version. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:16, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Chocolat

Hey, I just have like one thing to say... basically ChoColat has never officially announced that a member left, but she has and she is not coming back. I'm about to edit the article to add the info about their upcoming comeback, but how can I officially add the information that they're 4 now because one member has left? Chocolat ≈ Dubulge (Chat Me Up) 22:53, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

That's a good question. On the other hand we cannot add information without reliable sources. I'd say just leave the numbers at the last known official version and wait for a reliable source to say otherwise. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay thank you~ Chocolat ≈ Dubulge (Chat Me Up) 22:53, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

You are very welcome Dubulge and thank you very much. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Labourers of Herakles

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Why I have retired from Wikipedia

Hello DrK. Here is an editor User:Esoglou whom was giving a restriction to not edit on content that was designated as Orthodox Christian content. Here the editor is today violating that restriction again.[1] This editor edit wars and blocks Orthodox editors from contributing the Orthodox side to articles that being Orthodox and or Roman Catholic might put the Roman Catholic side of the argument in a way that would makes the Roman Catholic church look bad. This editor has repeated complains on their talkpage for using the excuse that they are dumb or dense as justification to post Original Research and remove Orthodox Christian content. Wikipedia simply will not restrict this person. Nor will they punish them from violating their restrictions. This has frustrated me to the point of giving up on Wikipedia. As more than not I am attacked for complaining about this person's behavior. I just felt that I owed you an explanation. And I would hope that you to might consider what it means to leave a place where your contributions are not respected appreciated and rules only apply to you and not other people engaging in disrupted and unethical behavior. LoveMonkey 19:17, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

BTW the Administrator Ed Johnston will do nothing nor will any other admin on Wiki. That is except attack me. LoveMonkey 19:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi LoveMonkey. I would like to ask you to reconsider your decision to retire over this. I think the restriction imposed by Ed is sufficiently vague to allow for an interpretation that the other editor could add information about Roman Catholic views as long as it is clearly attributed to the persons who made them. I checked the edit and to me, a non-expert, it appears rather innocuous. Hardly the stuff to retire from Wikipedia for. So, please reconsider. You have so many things to contribute here. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Dr K, its not just me it's a tread. The restrictions were put in place to keep Esoglou out of article sections that were dedicated to Orthodox perspectives by Orthodox sources. I have had this on again off again for 4 years or more. Its not worth it, go to Ed Johnson's talkpage and read it for yourself Esoglou has repeatedly edit warred and violated his restrictions and Ed, wiki does nothing. Wikipedia is a hostile nightmare to participate in, again I'm not alone. [2] Esoglou has a long pattern of abuse for almost a decade as he was User:Lima before he changed his name is Esoglou. I'm beyond sick of people's hostile attitude around here, their willy nilly ambiguous enforcement of policy (usually not in my favor) and their favoritism. LoveMonkey 22:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
I agree with you LoveMonkey that things can become frustrating and the system sometimes doesn't respond the way we expect it to. Some problems never really go away or if they do, similar problems arise in an almost endless cycle. I can see your point and I cannot prescribe a solution for you against your own best judgement. I can only tell you that I have seen your contributions here and I find them very valuable and I would very much hope that you stay. I would be very disappointed if you were gone. Needless to say, if you ever need my help don't hesitate to ask me. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:05, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I would hope you would help on the filioque article as Esoglou feigns incompetence and citation abuses. And twists sources to promote his WP:OR. He posted today that some Western scholars don't see a connection between the Creed and the ecumenical councils. And because they are scholars they trump the actual community and actual history. BTW the source he interpreted this way requires special access. LoveMonkey 15:05, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll check the background because I am completely unfamiliar with the issues involved. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:39, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. LoveMonkey 01:38, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
You are very welcome LoveMonkey. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Blasphemers' Banquet

Gatoclass 08:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Coed School

Hello, recently you posted on my talk page that I am in an 'edit war'. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that, and certainly I'm not fighting anyone. The Coed School page has many issues, and facts that are incorrect/ missing. All I did was fix the page, change around the names on the already existing member chart, and add some missing information. Again, please tell me exactly how I am 'warring' someone/s? Thanks for your time and consideration! Niwipe36 (talk) 20:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. I saw your edit adding a table with birthdays without citations and that is not acceptable per BLP. As you know K-pop articles are plagued by the problem of the addition of unsourced positions and birthdays. As soon as I saw that your edit included unsourced birthdays I thought that you were adding them after Drmies had removed them here: diff, and this is why I gave you the edit-warring warning. On further investigation however I saw that the birthdays were added back by IPs after Drmies removed them, so the IPs were edit-warring by adding them back but you did not add them directly. So, technically you were not the one who reverted Drmies' removal. However you removed the reference supporting the birthdays and that is unusual and should not be done. Adding birthdays without references or removing references supporting BLP information such as birthdays is never a good idea. Regardless, I will remove the edit-warring warning I gave you, because I will AGF you did not intent to participate in an edit-war, although this information should not have been reinstated into the article after Drmies removed it. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

SS501 Members' profile

Kindly please tell me the reason for giving me a warning for edit war. I don't intend to have any wars or argument. I'm just curious as to why you reverted back the edit that I made in Members section.

When I read your comment on adding references to their birthdays, I now understand why you reverted that edit. For sure, I'll add references to their birthdays after 24 hours has passed. However, I still don't understand why you reverted back the links to pages that don't exist. For example, "Heo Young-Saeng" does not exist, but Heo Young-saeng. If you intend to capitalize the names, please add | to the syntax or redirect it to the existing link.

Again, I don't look for edit war. In fact, I always try my best to be neutral. I hope you will think about it. Thanks!

(P.S. - I'll be focusing on SS501 page later on (probably this week or the next); so you'll see more neutral information with references soon)

001Jrm (talk) 01:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, you undid my edit. That's called edit-warring. Hence the message. If you have sources then please add them and there will be no further problems. As far as the links, they got reverted along with the birthdays. I didn't notice the red links. You can re-add that part. Better still, now that I checked the names, why not move the articles to the proper capitalisations instead of using piped links? Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:45, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I restored the links per your edit: [3]. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Will do! Thank you for your consideration. Also, sorry for undoing your edit. Again, I didn't intend to have an edit war. See you around!~ 001Jrm (talk) 03:44, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind message. It was a pleasure talking to you. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Cheers. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:14, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wangjing SOHO

Hello! Your submission of Wangjing SOHO at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! C679 07:10, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I have now fixed that hook for Wangjing SOHO here -- Template:Did you know/Preparation area 4. I apologize for the earlier mix-up -- it was simply a typo on my part. I seriously hope that I fixed it correctly right now. Futurist110 (talk) 05:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
No problem at all. Looks great now. Thank you very much Futurist for taking the time. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 05:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of Integrity

The Barnstar of Integrity
For your support during the recent unpleasantness. PumpkinSky talk 22:28, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much PS. I never even knew this barnstar existed so it is a really nice surprise on many levels. :) Take care and all the best to you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:00, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Best to you too. PumpkinSky talk 02:14, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much PS. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wangjing SOHO

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Executioner (1970 film)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I need your help

I never reverted my new name FudgeFury back to my old name Farjad0322. I don't know how it happened. It happened during a time when I didn't edit wikipedia for some time because I was busy with my exams. I want my new name FudeFury back. Help will be appreciated. Thanks. Farjad0322 (talk) 19:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Farjad. In that case you must log out of the Farjad0322 account and log in as FudgeFury. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:23, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi... I am FudgeFury again... But there is still a problem... I can't get my watchlist back... I mean while I was Farjad0322 in the past two months, I made a lot of new articles and added more in my watchlist... Now that I back to FudgeFury username, they are neither on my watchlist or my contributions log... I remember when I first became FudgeFury from Farjad0322 over an year ago, my watchlist automatically transferred to my new username... Why isn't it happening now?... Am I to wait a few days? Thanks for help :) FudgeFury(talk|sign|contribs) 22:48, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations. :) As far as the watchlist, this is no problem. Sign in again as Farjad, then go to your watchlist and choose "edit raw watchlist". Then copy all of your watchlist. Subsequently login as FudgeFury and paste Farjad's watchlist on Fury's raw watchlist file. Let me know how it goes. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
It worked... In fact I cleaned up my watchlist too... Thank you so much... :) FudgeFury(talk|sign|contribs) 00:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Great. I'm glad to hear that. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:22, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Languages of Cyprus

I'd appreciate your input on the new Languages of Cyprus article (ideas for improvement/expansion) when you've got time and if it's something you're interested in. I'm asking 'cos I've seen you contribute to articles relating to Cyprus. Thanks, — Lfdder (talk) 13:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the invitation Lfdder. You did some great work and you created a very nice article. I can't think of anything right now that can be added but I'll try to check more in depth and let you know if any ideas come to mind. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:35, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Δρ.Κ. — Lfdder (talk) 21:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
You are very welcome. It was a pleasure. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:01, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

lana del rey revision

what do you mean by "Not if it is supported by a WP:RS"?Deneuve15 (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

That year of birth is supported by WP:RS and it is verified therefore category "Year of birth uncertain" should not be added to the article, as in "YOB not uncertain if supported by a WP:RS". Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Editor's Barnstar
For your most excellent work on the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Roman history subjects and content here on Wikipedia. LoveMonkey (talk) 17:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much LoveMonkey for the kind gesture. I am humbled and greatly honoured to receive this award from a scholar such as yourself. But above all else, it is kind gestures such as this that make being here fun. Thank you for that. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:09, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Editor's Barnstar
I used to think Brian Weiss had a good, reputed standing in the realm of Medical Psychiatry. Thank you for opening my eyes by proving that my perception was far from the truth. Amitbalani (talk) 20:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Greek help needed

Hello Dr.K., I'm contacting you because we need some Greek translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on el.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Greek Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Questions

Hey Dr! Since you're one of the most active Greek users I know I would like to ask you a few questions.

  • Are there any estimates on the total number of Greeks before WWI? If yes, how many of them lived in Asia Minor (or in the Ottoman Empire which would include Thrace and Constantinople)?
  • What was the number of Greeks living in Constantinople before WWI and how man remained before the 1955 pogrom?
  • In today's Greece, is there any distinction between the Greeks from Asia Minor (the ones who came directly from there are already dead, so fair to talk about their descendants) and the native Greeks? Have they completely assimilated into the mainstream Greek society? Because that is the case for the Western Armenians whose main distinction was the dialect, but by the late Soviet period the genocide survivors mostly passed away and their descendants spoke (and speak) the Eastern dialect because that's what the "official language" of Soviet Armenia was. I wonder if that's the case with Greeks of Asia Minor.
  • I read somewhere that Pontic Greeks settled in Macedonia, do you know where the Greeks from Smyrna settled? What about Greeks of Constantinople?
  • Thousands of Greeks from Georgia, Armenia, Russia moved to Greece after the Soviet Union collapsed. My mother's friend was a Pontic Greek living in Armenia and she too moved to Greece in the 1990s. I wonder if these people are fully integrated into the Greek society or not.

Thank you --Երևանցի talk 15:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yerevanci. Sorry for the delay in replying but I've been busy with some other edits. I'll check your questions and I'll try to provide some answers for the ones I'm familiar with. Give me a couple of days. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:08, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Steve King

How long is a "moratorium" and how are we gonna work past these uncivil people who keep edit warring? MilesMoney (talk) 06:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

There is no fixed length for the moratorium other than the requirement that there should be no further breach of WP:3RR and that the edit-warring should stop. You can also ask for dispute resolution at WP:DRN. In any case edit-warring is not the answer. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 06:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello

The Friendship Barnstar
Nice to meet you. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:54, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Buster7. Thank you very much for the friendly gesture! This is a beautiful barnstar and a very nice surprise for me. Nice meeting you too. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:12, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

A gift from Macedonia Stavo Culum 14:28, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much Stavo. Calories notwithstanding, it looks delicious. :) Say hi to beautiful Macedonia for me. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

FYI

I saw your recent comments at SA's talk page, and thought you might be interested in a discussion of the same question at wp:an here. Cardamon (talk) 21:19, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Cardamon. I saw it too but the debate has become so extensive that by the law of averages my contribution will be of minimal importance to the final outcome. Regardless, I appreciate your kind invitation. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:34, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
I made a small comment anyway in the (remote) event it could be of assistance in such a large pool of opinions. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:55, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Dreamgull

I somehow didn't see your warning. Anyhow, I'll just leave it and watch him and the page. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem Anna. Thank you for your help. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 20:50, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you Doctor for your constructive edits on Soghomon Tehlirian. I wanted to get your opinion regarding Trial of Soghomon Tehlirian page. Do you think we need it? More than half of the information on that page is already found in the Soghomon Tehlirian page. What do you think? Propose deletion? Proudbolsahye (talk) 02:02, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you PB for your kind words. I'm not sure about the trial article. The answer imo depends on whether the trial article is expandable. If it is I think it should be kept. If it is not, perhaps merging could be a good idea. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:43, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Recent wp:SPA activity

It appear that GC edits now as an unlogged user [[4]].Alexikoua (talk) 19:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I added it to the SPI. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 20:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
I've just reported it on Wikipedia:AIV, since it appears we have a clear case of vandalism.Alexikoua (talk) 20:11, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry about it. One way or the other they are going to get blocked. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 20:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

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Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

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My recent RfA

I should have said thanks for your support sooner. ```Buster Seven Talk 03:19, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Not at all Buster7. Thank you anyway. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

85.xx disruption

Since you got involved with the mess created by an unlogged user, I believe it's important to inform you that he is an old permablocked wp:spa user:Skipetari. He is curently creating the same mess at the German wiki.Alexikoua (talk) 20:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Alexikoua. I think he can be blocked for block evasion. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:50, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Overzealous

Your removal of information which is very much in the public domain about an accusation and call for police interview is unwarranted. I suggest you draw a parallel with the Rolf Harris article, IRWolfie- (talk) 01:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Fine. You may have a point. But on BLP I prefer to err on the side of caution. If you call that overzealousness so be it. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:09, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
If we were dealing with accusations which were not in many newspapers I would agree. The material discussed was merely listing the allegations but not commenting on their truth. Consider the ~70k of people looking for information about this as well [5], and it becomes evident that this is well in the public sphere, IRWolfie- (talk) 11:18, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. There is still ongoing discussion about Bapu satisfying BLPCRIME. BLPCRIME is a policy and until there is clear consensus that Bapu does not satisfy it, this material cannot enter the article space. There is far from clear consensus that such is the case. As we speak the material is being reverted again: [6], [7] and not by me. This establishes that there is no consensus in the community. But this is not for two editors to argue about on a userpage. This discussion should continue at the talkpage of Bapu because it is apparent that we do not agree and there is no use in arguing further between us because this discussion should be a community-wide one. Consensus is a community effort and should be arrived at by the community at the talk of the article during a community discussion or in a suitable forum such as BLPN. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I have not heard a single cogent article for why BLPCRIME is applicable which actually goes into the particulars of this case. i.e what specific text is relevant for citing BLPCRIME and where does the text provide justification for removing neutrally written talk page text cited to several reliable sources. Your own response on Bbb23's page merely restates the claim, rather than providing a specific justification for what in BLPCRIME specifically supports the actions taken. WP:PERP has absolutely no relevance to the discussion since no one argues that Bapu is not notable and we are not discussing notability; no person is questioning the articles existence. IRWolfie- (talk) 13:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
This can go on and on and on. These are unfortunately the dynamics of any article-based spillover on user talk space and I am determined not to suffer it. This is why I have the notice at the top of my page. I am not going to go on the defensive on my own talk trying to prove the lack of notability of Bapu and the applicability of BLPCRIME on his article based on his being a relative unknown. I have made my points at the talkpage of Bapu's article. If you are interested you can revisit them there but again, I am not going to repeat them here. If they are not enough or you still disagree let us just agree to disagree, instead of engaging in this ritual of opposing dynamics. Coming here and continuing a conversation belonging to article space or policy pages serves no purpose and is becoming unnecessarily antagonistic. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 14:58, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Re Helen Vlachos

Hello Dr.! I hadn't realized it was your article, so well done, first of all, on writing it ;) On the citations, I get your point on evidence of coverage, but IMO, five or more citations in a row, which as far as I could see repeat the same thing, i.e. that she called the junta's "man with the trowel" a clown, are slightly ridiculous and undermine the credibility of the article rather than the opposite. If you list a Greek, a US, and a German source, with sources in the calibre of Time or Spiegel, that is already more than sufficient evidence both of the world-wide interest (at least in the Western world) and of notability. Alternatively, you could add a statement to the effect that "this comment aroused international attention, as evidenced by its presence in X, Y, Z etc" and cite the relevant sources there. Anyhow, the article is yours, and you probably know best. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 20:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kosta. Thank you very much for your kind words. First off, my apologies for reverting you. As you know, I respect you greatly and it was not easy for me to revert your edit, although I agree with the spirit and aim of your removal. The only problem is that at least one of the removed citations had information about a junta officer who was a fan of Vlachos and freed her from detention. I was planning to expand on that detail, but I had forgotten about it until today when I saw the reference. Similarly some of the others may contain kernels of information not found in the rest of them. When I was writing the article I was thinking to expand on a few points but that plan fell by the wayside as time went on. Having said that, I'll attempt a cleanup of the truly redundant refs since I think that you are right on trying to clean up the redundancies. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 20:32, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
There's no need for apologies, I see your point (plus I'd have to apologize in turn for undoing your hard work in finding the references ;)). Keep up the good work, and have a nice week-end. Constantine ✍ 08:22, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


You are very kind Kostas. But you should not apologise. Not only you didn't do anything wrong but that was my line, so I reserve that right only for myself. :) You too have a great weekend. It is always a pleasure talking to you. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 08:49, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Mediterranean Sea

Sorry to bother you. I'm the guy edited the article "Mediterranean Sea" yesterday. I just can't understand how could one crust overlap another. I think the article meant to say that the sea water merge the mediterranean. And so it should be " Geologically the Mediterranean is underlain by --Shalibobo (talk) 01:06, 8 September 2013 (UTC)ocean--Shalibobo (talk) 01:06, 8 September 2013 (UTC)."instead of by ocean crust. And sorry for I couldn't find the the way how to open a discussion on talkpage, （I didn't find that link） on the article so I can just talk to you in this way. So though I read this"If your message is related to a disputed edit, the best thing to do is open a discussion on the talkpage of the article instead of leaving a message here. This way we may involve as many editors as possible instead of confining the discussion here." I still have no other choice.

Thank you for your concern regarding the location of this discussion. It is really refreshing to see someone paying attention to my talkpage note. Since your explanation is both kind and clear, I will try to assist you. Your edit removed "oceanic crust" and left the sentence incomplete: Geologically the Mediterranean is underlain by ., which obviously does not make sense. As far as the rest of your comment that the Med could or could not be underlain by oceanic crust, I have to check into the geology of the place. But the reason I reverted your edit was that you left the sentence incomplete. By the way to open a new discussion at Mediterranean Sea simply click Talk:Mediterranean Sea and choose "New section". I would be glad to help you further if you have any more questions. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Possible sock activity

I see you are involved in various disputes with [[8]]. Given he is a very fast learner and also involved in pro-Muslim edits in several articles (i.e. religion in Pakistan, Albanian etc), I have serious suspicions that he might be another sock of [[9]]. Time pattern and activity are striking [[10]].Alexikoua (talk) 13:43, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much Alexikoua for letting me know. These socks keep appearing as fast as they get indeffed. What can I say. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:04, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Sure, the specific one is quite aggresive, not to mention he initially wanted to become admin, but ended up blocked before his admniship request closed.Alexikoua (talk) 22:18, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
A sock wanting to become an admin? Not sure if that is more surprising than his being blocked before the closure of his RfA. And I thought I had seen a lot of sock cases. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:43, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Well, all my socks want to become admins.[11][12] Very unmanageable family! Anyway, Dr K, please let me know if there's anything I can do about the socks that hound you. Bishonen | talk 21:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC).
Hi Bish. It's always nice to see you on my talk. :) Thank you very much for your kind offer. I really appreciate it and, if things continue this way, I may have to take you up on it. As far as your socks, well, let me put it this way: They are a part of my larger wiki-family as well. I simply cannot imagine the encyclopedia without them. Obviously any RfA from them would get my automatic support, for obvious reasons including, but not limited to, fear. :) Take care and thanks again. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Angelokastro

Kindly do not accuse me of edit warring. Please assume good faith. I removed a passage which was (a) redundant with a later passage in the article; (b) was written in peculiar English ("must have paid a lot of attention to"...). --Macrakis (talk) 01:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

But you removed it again, after I reinstated it. This is the very definition of edit-warring. And please kindly assume the assumption of good faith. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:43, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
It is hard to AAGF when one is accused of edit-warring for a well-explained, small edit which (I assure you) was done in good faith. --Macrakis (talk) 03:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Stating empirically observable facts, such as edit reverts, is not an accusation. Regardless, I think this discussion is not useful. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 03:20, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Anyway, could we please return to improving the article? As I see it, there are several things that can be improved in the current article:
  • It can be organized better, putting the chronological information (including its possible origins under Michael Angelos etc.) in one section.
  • Redundant statements can be reduced.
  • We can try to get better sources. It really doesn't help the article to source statements from mass-market guidebooks (and yes, I do think the Blue Guide is more serious, though certainly not definitive).
  • In particular, we can try to get actual archaeological and historical sources. Did the 8th Ephorate ever publish its excavations?
--Macrakis (talk) 03:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
To answer your points in no particular order: I think you are overstating the presence of guidebooks in the article and the statements which depend on them. I am not sure about any papers published by the archaeologists of the 8th Ephorate. As far as you other statements regarding redundancy and chrono order I agree, as long as no information is removed. Please feel free to try your hand but it would be best to propose any changes on the article talk first so that they can be discussed. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 03:20, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Is this how I leave a message for you?

Hi Dr.K,

I would like to turn your photo of the Triumph of Achilles (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/58/Triumph_of_Achilles_in_Corfu_Achilleion.jpg) into a print, and was wondering if you have a higher resolution of the fresco. I will check this page for a response. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.7.123 (talk) 09:48, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

You are very welcome. I will upload a new higher resolution picture as soon as I find it from my archives. Give me a day or two. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Request for input

Hey I have opened up an AN3 on editor Esoglou on the article Theoria. [13] I have tired to have a separate article created to dedicate that article to the treatment of the term strictly as an Orthodox theological term and Esoglou has blocked that. I have asked that the alternate article for the term in English and Latin contemplation be the focus of Esoglou's additions and he refuses this as well. Today Esoglou used the theoria article to post a statement that was a direct attack on the Orthodox theologian John Romanides (and no way source-able or appropriate for an Encyclopedia article) and I reverted his edit.

  • Contrary to what Romanides said, it is Roman Catholic teaching that God loves all, even those who choose against him, such as the devil. [14]

So Esoglou is stating that I should get banned too which I am ok with. However Esoglou though not being Greek claims to have such a command of the language and Greek culture as to edit war against Orthodox Priests on article like the filioque for example. As you Dr K being a Greek I would greatly appreciate your input into the issue of Esoglou making that claim that Roman Catholic theologians use and teach theoria so much so that just like Greek Orthodox theologians these Roman Catholic theologians write theological articles in English and use the Greek word theoria in them.[15] Since Esoglou is treating the theoria article that way, it should be a slam dunk, google search to find where the Roman Catholic church teaches one reaches theoria in the process of theosis through hesychasm by seeing the light of Tabor.

I mean since that is after all what Esoglou is posting, i.e. that this is theosis is the teaching of the Roman Catholic church by way of his edits and edit warring on those various articles. I mean he knows all about Orthodox theology but can't name one Orthodox theologian he has actually read. Oh by the way Esoglou has also hijacked this and other works over time to distort the underlying theological Orthodox teachings, under the guise or article he and his buddies created called Palamism. LoveMonkey 19:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back LoveMonkey. I am very pleased to see you here. I would like to help you but I am not knowledgeable at all in this area. If you still think I can help in any capacity or if you have any other suggestions please let me know. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:32, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

As always it is an honor, as you are a Greek among Romans. I am but a rabbit among wolves. LoveMonkey 01:12, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much LoveMonkey for your kind and eloquent words. But of course I absolutely disagree that you are a rabbit. :) Take care and let's keep in touch. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:32, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Well read what administrator Future Perfect said of me even just today and see if you agree that I am as the management here has labeled me. With the ugly, hateful and hostile tone of this administrator's comments is there any wonder why anyone has left, or why I would even entertain the prospect to stay. I mean who wants this kind of abuse, or to contribute in such an environment of hostility? [16] LoveMonkey 01:58, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
I saw that you agreed tentatively with a ban if Esoglou also got a ban. That could be a solution. Conflict would be avoided and you could concentrate on other topics away from that problem area. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:21, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Duchess of Cambridge

Dear Dr K, Given that it is now proven that the Duchess of Cambridge is a direct descendant of Edward III, do you not think that the ancestry section on her site should be re written? It makes no sense that "she is likely descended from..." when the last line stresses that recent research confirms that she is no longer "likely" a descendent of Edward III - she is in fact, a PROVEN descendent of Edward III. All the best Ed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.144.27.165 (talk • contribs)

I'll check this out Ed. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 09:30, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Having checked this out I saw that I did not edit this article recently, so I gather that your question is not related to any edit revert on my part. If you are asking for my advice, I can suggest that if you feel confident that your sources are reliable you can go ahead and make these changes on your own. Let me know if you have any further questions. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 09:41, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of National Merit (GRE)

The Greece Barnstar of National Merit
Just total respect, really. Unbelievable levels of respect. Cheers! LudicrousTripe (talk) 09:53, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi LT. What a nice surprise. Even though, now that I have become an award-winning nationalist, my days on this project may indeed be numbered. Regardless, thank you very much for your kind thoughts and your respect which I gladly reciprocate. Cheers. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:57, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Dr.K. Please, allow me to assure you that I only meant to praise your edits: "A Barnstar of National Merit may be awarded to an editor who contributes significantly by expanding or improving Wikipedia's coverage of any past or present continent or regional grouping, country, or subnational place such as a province or city." The name of the award is unfortunate, since it implies that in fact I am calling you out as a nationalist, which is a grievous insult, indeed. As Albert Einstein correctly observed, nationalism is "an infantile disease", "nothing more than an idealistic rationalization for militarism and aggression." Adieu! LudicrousTripe (talk) 08:32, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
No need to explain LT. Let me clarify the background of my reply to you. My comment was meant in jest, especially since over the years I have been accused multiple times by others who rushed to judge me based only on my national background. So I was just making fun of what these people were going to think as soon as they saw that I got awarded such a barnstar. I think that in their eyes this could have been the ultimate confirmation of their prejudices. I never intended to be critical of your action, far from that. But I guess the limitations of the written medium, and my lack of a clear background explanation during my initial reply to you, did not carry my intended humour very far. I am very thankful for the honour and I apologise for the unintended misunderstanding. You are always very welcome on my talkpage and thank you again for taking the time to award me this great barnstar. Take care and au revoir. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 09:26, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Ha ha ha! I see! Thanks for the explainer! Laters! LudicrousTripe (talk) 11:22, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Great. Now I'm sure I got my point across. Later. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:08, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Espresso

Please see the discussion on the talk page. Expresso is incorrect in Italian, and also considered incorrect by most English dictionaries. There was a general consensus not to encourage the propagation of this error, by specifically not mentioning the minority opinion in the lead section, and only discussing it in detail in the Etymology section, where the full issue can be explored in detail, which it cannot be in the lead. The lead is a summary, and does not have to include every little detail, especially when controversial. Yworo (talk) 21:56, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Yworo. I tend to agree with your opinion given that "expresso" is wrong form. I agree in this case it should not be included at the lead as it would be misleading to appear there without mentioning that the term is actually wrong. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:39, 7 October 2013 (UTC)


20th century

When I modified the dates of the century, along with other centuries and millenniums, I used a source as reliable as can be used for this type of subject that clearly states the reasoning for the change. You reverted the article to its definition with a dubious source. That source is a news clipping allegedly from 1901 that does not present anything compelling as to why the century began in 1901 instead of 1900. This entire debate is based solely on an opinion of how to define a calendar reference point. There is no one authority that can speak as to whether we should use a year zero or year one as a calendar reference point. The consensus today would be to define a starting point of something with zero instead of one. Please see my reasons for changing the years in the talk page, Dates section. Also, the current reference used for the 21st Century, The 21st Century and the 3rd Millennium When Did They Begin? does mention that there is a year 0 in the Astronomical calendar. When I made the change on that page, I made the years in reference to the Astronomical calendar instead of the Gregorian calendar, so what was changed was factual to its reference. Jones5150 (talk) 06:30, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Opting in to VisualEditor

As you may know, VisualEditor ("Edit beta") is currently available on the English Wikipedia only for registered editors who choose to enable it. Since you have made 50 or more edits with VisualEditor this year, I want to make sure that you know that you can enable VisualEditor (if you haven't already done so) by going to your preferences and choosing the item, "MediaWiki:Visualeditor-preference-enable". This will give you the option of using VisualEditor on articles and userpages when you want to, and give you the opportunity to spot changes in the interface and suggest improvements. We value your feedback, whether positive or negative, about using VisualEditor, at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:15, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

:D I knew you

I remembered your reversion of holaquepasa's vandalism on Marc Antony. I got rollback 10 days ago. Did You? DDreth [talk to me] 12:52, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

No. I don't remember that revert. But thank you for watching the edits of the IP sock. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 12:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

We didn't win yet. If the sockpuppeteer comes and adds useless additions into the article. We have to get ready and pound him to the EW Noticeboards. DDreth [talk to me] 12:59, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I already opened an SPI, requested page protection and reported the IP at AIV. I think these should be enough for now. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 13:03, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Kuru just blocked both. Thanks again for your much needed help. See you around. :) Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 13:07, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
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