User talk:Eagles247/Archive 45

Kansas City Chiefs

Sorry, I did have it wrong previously. I looked more closely at the {{Infobox NFL team}} template and as far as I can tell, my second edit is using the parameters as intended. Those first 4 Super Bowls are messy. Wondering what are your thoughts on the issue? Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 21:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mojoworker: There have been a bunch of discussions about these issues since this year's Super Bowl, and while I haven't been paying too close attention on them, my thoughts are that whatever the NFL considers as "official" is what we should go with here. I believe the NFL considers all NFL championships (regardless of whether a Super Bowl was played that year), AFL championships, and Super Bowl titles as individual/separate "championships" and we should do the same here. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Caleb Wilson

Not sure if you can do this, but would you mind reviewing File:Caleb Wilson.jpg on Commons? The problem with the licensing has been resolved, I talked to the uploader. The only thing is I uploaded a cropped version (not sure how that was possible) so that threw off Flickrreviewr. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 17:08, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Editorofthewiki: I'm not an administrator or reviewer on Commons, but it looks like the licensing won't be an issue now. Someone at Commons will look over it soon hopefully. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Updating

Hey I saw the talk page of Malcolm Jenkins a few days ago and I updated the article as well as several others. Do you know of any other NFL player articles that need to be updated LaDanian1000000 (talk) 06:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@LaDanian1000000: There is a list here of 57 NFL-related pages that have update maintenance templates on them. Some of the items on this list just need specific sentences to be updated, you'll have to go through each one and figure out where the update is needed. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

XFL (2020)

Heads up, I saw you rightly RVing the flood of people trying to rewrite the article as "folded/ceased ops" is because the rumor going across social media this afternoon (including some credible sports social media sources) is the league just laid off employees this morning and is folding. I agree with your call that until there's an official announcement, it's just suspended like all the pro leagues due to the pandemic. --Bhockey10 (talk) 18:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bhockey10: Thanks for the support. I would like to clarify that the XFL has suspended all day-to-day league operations, unlike other leagues which have only suspended certain league operations. The NBA has suspended player transactions and the regular season, the NFL has suspended offseason workout programs, the NHL has suspended their regular season, but the XFL has suspended their entire league operation at the moment. The key here is the difference between "suspending" operations and "ceasing" operations, the latter implying that the league folded (which it has not yet done). If the league announces today that they've suspended operations, that still does not mean the league has folded. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:28, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Now apparently there's no plan to return in 2021, contrary to earlier statements. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 20:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

@Editorofthewiki: That part seems to be based on anonymous sources, and still doesn't indicate the league has ceased operations today. The co-writer of that ESPN article tweeted: "To be clear, the XFL hasn't confirmed it is going out of business. But that was the impression at least some staffers got when listening to today's conference call." Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Buffalo Bills signings

Hi Eagles247, can you double check the references for some signings that you added for the Buffalo Bills? I don't see them as being official yet. These players are Taiwan Jones, Tyler Matakevich, A. J. Klein, and Quinton Jefferson. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 21:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

[I see that you added this reference, but it is no longer working for me right now (shows me a blank NFL transactions page). Natg 19 (talk) 21:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Natg 19: Yep, transactions listed on NFL.com are official. Sometimes official transactions occur and NFL.com doesn't show them, but the ones actually shown there are good. This shows Jones, Matakevich, Klein, and Jefferson were all officially signed. The team websites haven't been too great about reporting during this free agency period, some teams have only announced the "agreed to terms" or "according to reports" and then didn't send a follow-up for when they officially signed. Others don't announce official signings until days after they've actually been processed like Kyler Fackrell in this case. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I can confirm these signings are in there. Jefferson on March 26, Klein on March 27, and Jones and Matakevich on March 30. Don't know why the Bills didn't update this article announcing "reports". Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for double checking. Weird, I was having issues viewing that NFL.com page correctly, but I see the transaction list properly with the players now. Natg 19 (talk) 22:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

@Natg 19: I had an issue with the site for the entire month of February, luckily it worked itself out by the time free agency began. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:12, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Belichick

I used that format to show how far reaching his tree is. But I guess you’re right only people like me are into that sort of thing Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

As for the GMs I only put them in order of the year they got their first job so that should probably be reverted Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:25, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: I find it interesting as well, but for a general encyclopedia entry it's too much detail. I don't know if there's an NFL-specific fandom/wikia website, but it would likely be more relevant there. I'll revert back the GM order, you are correct. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:27, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Also I put the coaches in order Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:28, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

But the main reason I did it is to show that over a third of active head coaches in the nfl are part of the belichick tree Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe I could add a few of them to the coaching tree page Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:30, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: I moved the coaches back in order per your edit. As long as you provide sources for your statements about his coaching tree, that would be fine. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:33, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

There is an espn article that covers most of it I’ll try to dig that up Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/22235093/connecting-all-2018-nfl-head-coaches-bill-parcells-bill-belichick#select Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Assisstance

Hello, How do I see my number of Wikipedia edits or Wikipedia "Statistics"  ? I have made a lot of edits but don't know how to see how many. could you tell me how I view that number? Editor940 (talk) 22:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Editor940, You can view it here. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:14, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Tarvaris Jackson

Hey Eagles247, hope you are well. I saw that removed the semi-protection on Tarvaris Jackson earlier. There has been some unsourced IP edits since then. Just wanted to put it on your radar. -- LuK3 (Talk) 14:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@LuK3: Thanks, I'm monitoring the page and will protect if vandalism spikes. So far only one instance of vandalism and one unconstructive edit since I unprotected. Additionally, I blocked the IP vandal for persistent vandalism spanning the past year. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

XFL Player contracts

Does the XFL going Bankrupt mean all the player's contracts are terminated? Joepecor2744 (talk) 22:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Joepecor2744: From what I've read, it appears all player contracts were terminated on April 10. I haven't found a definitive source that states exactly this yet, however. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Charles Rogers

Why would an improved link, avoiding a redirect, constitute grounds for reverting an edit? Hushpuckena (talk) 15:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hushpuckena: See WP:NOTBROKEN. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

1k-1k season

Concerning your edit here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_McCaffrey&type=revision&diff=950981940&oldid=950980061

Do you have a better suggestion for a header? They are often used for notable seasons; I believe this is one such notable season. DeathTrain (talk) 15:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@DeathTrain: I personally don't see a need for editorialized headers of any kind outside of just the season. (Additionally, adding "Rookie year" to the first season header of every single NFL player page is redundant and crazy IMO.) They are neutral and informative enough as they are. If you disagree, feel free to start a talk page discussion with your ideas. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: What is so editorializing about that header? It is an objective description of the season. Is it possible for it to be given a less editorialized header? DeathTrain (talk) 15:59, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@DeathTrain: By editorialized, I mean just excessive descriptions that may not be entirely neutral. The season name is already a neutral, accurate header. Wouldn't "First Pro Bowl", "First-team All-Pro season", "Last season with Ron Rivera" also be potential descriptors of his season? I've always been a proponent of just having the season name and if readers want to know about his "1k-1k season" (a term I've personally never heard of) they can figure it out pretty easily. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: Here are a few sources that use it:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001092445/article/panthers-rb-christian-mccaffrey-joins-1k1k-club

https://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/panthers-rb-christian-mccaffrey-joins-1k1k-club-607192.html

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/Article/Christian-McCaffrey-2019-1000-rushing-yards-1000-receiving-yards-133863667/

I did not make up that term, but 1k-1k is more specific than any of those suggestions you proposed.DeathTrain (talk) 16:32, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@DeathTrain: Second source is a copy-paste of the NFL.com article, but regardless of how many sources use the term to describe the trivial fact that McCaffrey joined the "1k-1k club" it shouldn't be used as a heading here. (By the way, just as a note, you do not need to use the {{re}} template on my talk page, I already get the notification from your post.) Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Why? Is it because they are "excessive descriptions"? How do we tell if they are such? I only add headers because many other articles have them, such as Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger and I find that they help differentiate the seasons. DeathTrain (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I started a discussion on the talk page, but this is really a discussion that impacts all NFL players or even all professional athletes. DeathTrain (talk) 15:58, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@DeathTrain: If you think it's a site-wide issue that needs to be discussed, posting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League would be a good idea. However, the timing might not be great with the NFL Draft going on this weekend. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Now that the discussion is has been archived, what should be done now?DeathTrain (talk) 21:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@DeathTrain: Bagumba was the only other editor to weigh in, and they agreed that "1k-1k season" should not be used in McCaffrey's season header for 2019. Unless you come up with a different proposal that other editors can get behind, there isn't much else to do. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I really don't care if "1k-1k season" is used. When I created another discussion, the focus shifted to whether or not players should have season-by-season headings at all. Gonzo fan2007, one of the other editors to weigh in opposed having them, as they saw them as a product of WP:RECENT, believing that the Peyton Manning article which has them is a "a massive, tedious mess". However, he also added that "with this type of approach, the section headers are somewhat pre-determined. That said, this approach doesn't preclude sub-sections. See Bob Mann (American football)". The other editor to weigh in, UCO2009bluejay deferred to Bagumba's idea "[Those] should be avoided per WP:NEO. Headers should be neutral. A plain year is better than having a bad header." It does not seem that there is a consensus that headers should not be "editorialized". Do you have a response? DeathTrain (talk) 14:13, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@DeathTrain: No different than my opinion from before, and I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that there is not a consensus for what I said based on what the other editors have said. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

UCO2009bluejay and Bagumba believe that headers should be neutral, and Gonzo fan2007 believes that headers are somewhat predetermined with his preferred style, although it does not preclude subsections. None of them oppose section headers per se. DeathTrain (talk) 16:02, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

So you still have no response? How do you interpret what was said? DeathTrain (talk) 19:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

My interpretation is that they agree with what I've been saying. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

How? You previously said that you've "always been a proponent of just having the season name". i.e. no headers. Once again, none of the other editors oppose headers per se. Gonzo fan2007, despite his dislike for the season-by-season headers, still found the ones on the Peyton Manning as "clear phrases that most readers would understand". DeathTrain (talk) 20:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

If there's a specific header title you want to propose, please do so on the article talk page. So far nothing you've proposed has gained any traction from the several editors who have responded to you questions, and I am also tired of going through this discussion once again. Gonzo fan2007 said he doesn't agree with the Manning header subtitles, and his point was more about opposing your proposed "1k-1k" bit than supporting the others. I believe that if he were to participate in a discussion about the Manning header subtitles on the article talk page, he would oppose them. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Of course he would oppose them, he does not even believe that there should be season-by-season sections, yet alone that they should have headers. The discussion is not about specific headers, but whether any article for any player at all should have them. And you still haven't refuted Bagumba, who isn't completely against headers either. DeathTrain (talk) 21:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Bagumba that some section titles could make sense in certain situations. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:38, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thank you, and I suppose that those certain situations are a case-by-case basis, as Gonzo fan2007 said. Would you consider this matter resolved now? DeathTrain (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I've considered this matter resolved since April. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Well then, you could have said so previously that you "agree with Bagumba that some section titles could make sense in certain situations", which you have only told me now. But I sincerely thank you for your patience and compromise to resolve this matter. DeathTrain (talk) 21:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Pictures

Do you know how to add pictures for football coaches bios? If so would you be able to tell me how thanks Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: You'd need to find images that have copyrights consistent with Wikipedia's, mainly that they can be shared with attribution and re-used. See Wikipedia:Non-free content. I find image copyrights to be one of the most difficult things to grasp on Wikipedia, as the majority of images you see on Google are not allowed to be uploaded here for legal reasons. Sometimes people upload images to Flickr with copyrights that work on Wikipedia, and that's where you'll see many images come from. Otherwise, users will take their own pictures when they go to sporting events to upload here. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: If you find an image online that you think might be allowed for upload on Wikipedia, give me the link and I can help you out with it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

What about Getty images? Bigmike2346 (talk) 22:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

And what sort of site could I find them on Bigmike2346 (talk) 22:15, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: Getty almost certainly has strict copyright for all of their images. It’s a photography company so they make money by selling their pictures. Their stock photos are highly unlikely to be of famous people. Your best bet is Flickr, but it’s very limited. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: The images you have uploaded to Commons are likely copyright violations, and I have tagged them for deletion there. Please check with me or another experienced user before uploading these images. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I took a picture from a YouTube video assuming that if there was no copyright there it should be good here Bigmike2346 (talk) 13:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: YouTube videos are frequently uploaded by the owners of the copyrighted material under licenses that do not permit reuse elsewhere. Since you did not provide a source for your uploads, I am unable to verify the copyright status of those screenshots. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

You may want to upload one of chase winovich Bigmike2346 (talk) 04:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: There are 92 images of Winovich on Commons in the category c:Category:Chase_Winovich, I added one to the infobox that clearly shows his face. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Making a new category

Do you think I can make a category of Belichick players who became coaches? and if so how would I be able to start? Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: I don't normally work with category creations, but I highly doubt that categorization would be appropriate on Wikipedia. Many NFL players eventually become coaches, and it's too trivial to have a category set of coaches who at one time were coached by a particular individual. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay thanks Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

What about a new subcategory of Category:Jewish American sportspeople because there is already one for baseball and basketball I want to make one for football Bigmike2346 (talk) 21:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: That sounds like a reasonable category. Please make sure when you populate it with articles that there is already a source in the article supporting the assertion that the player is Jewish. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

So should I just type Jewish American football people? Bigmike2346 (talk) 00:14, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I did it for a few people but it isn’t showing as a subcategory Bigmike2346 (talk) 12:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: You still need to create the actual category, adding them to articles only populates it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I do that not just as a category but as a sub category of Jewish American sportspeople Bigmike2346 (talk) 16:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: Use Category:Jewish American basketball people as an example. Click on the link, "edit" the page, and see how that one works. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

UDFA's

Since theres an article on NFL.com constantly updating the UDFA list, should we start adding those players to the rosters? PhoenixRancor (talk) 5:48, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

@PhoenixRancor: I don't believe that tracker is too reliable, it says it lists "reported" signings as well as announced signings. I'd only go with signings announced as official by teams. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Active NFL head coach career super bowl history

Why out of nowhere do you want to delete the page I created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_NFL_head_coach_career_Super_Bowl_history ? It doesn't get the most hits in the world until playoff time.Zdawg1029 (talk) 17:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Zdawg1029: Notability is not about article views, it's about amount of coverage in reliable sources. In this case, it appears the article is simply listcruft and does not warrant its own article based on Wikipedia's policies. Feel free to make your case at the articles for deletion discussion page you've linked above, but keep in mind your argument would hold more weight if it's based on policies, guidelines, and essays. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Dude are you serious? If that's the case, lets get rid of the "officials" page, or how about the commercials page, which has 3 sub pages off of that. All of those are useless. My page at least has useful information on it that people seem to enjoy. Wow, some people take their Wiki jobs way to seriously. Zdawg1029 (talk) 22:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Zdawg1029: This isn’t a job, I’m just a volunteer like you. We have policies and guidelines like any other community, and if you’re not interested in abiding by them, you might be on the wrong website. There is already a List of Super Bowl head coaches page, and comparing Active NFL head coach career Super Bowl history to List of Super Bowl officials and List of Super Bowl commercials is silly (other stuff exists anyway). WP:ITSUSEFUL is not a good argument to keep an article. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:39, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

There’s following guidelines, then there’s inflicting personal feeling on something. This page follows all the guidelines, that’s why it was originally accepted and why it’s been up for 7 years. I think you just personally don’t think it’s necessary so you are going after it. In what way is it not following guidelines? You say listcruft, be more specific. I think you fail to see the importance of the information, as well as the interesting nature of it. Super Bowls won is sometimes used as a measuring stick as to how good a coach is. Not to mention the second part of the article which easily shows what coaches worked together on particular super bowl winning teams. You say you’re a fan of the nfl, if you don’t find information like this interesting I would beg to differ. Zdawg1029 (talk) 02:58, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, as I pointed out on the discussion page for deletion, it would fit as a sub category on the Super Bowl Head Coaches page, but because, and as it says on the lustcruft page, there is too much content for it to be added to that article and thus should have its own. Zdawg1029 (talk) 03:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm waiting for an explanation as to how this page falls under the definition of listcruft. I read the entire page and fail to see how this relates. Zdawg1029 (talk) 18:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Pats undrafted free agents

https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/gm-report/patriots-give-sizable-contract-to-these-two-udfas-2020 A few have been announced Bigmike2346 (talk) 15:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: None announced by the team though. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

On their Twitter they did Bigmike2346 (talk) 15:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

https://www.patriots.com/news/reports-undrafted-rookie-signing-roundup Bigmike2346 (talk) 15:46, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

See the team announced them Bigmike2346 (talk) 15:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bigmike2346: From that link: "To be clear, the team has not yet confirmed these signings, but various reports from agents and the players themselves have quickly rolled in after the conclusion of the draft. It's possible that some of these signings are also on a tryout basis." Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Help needed on page

@Eagles247: I don't know if Jonathan Joseph has officially signed and if the edits made on his page should be reverted. I went to you for an opinion because you are all over the place on NFL pages, and you are very good and experienced with this. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 02:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Jcoolbro: Thanks for letting me know. Joseph’s signing hasn’t been announced by the Titans yet so I’ve semi-protected the article and added the pending transaction tag to the top. In the future, if editors change a player page to reflect a new team but do not cite a reliable source for the transaction (and no explanation in the edit summary), you should feel free to revert as you did. Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 11:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me

Hey, I've noticed you took the vandalism warnings on that IP user's talk page, the IP user that I reverted his/her edits at D. J. White (American football), and then you reverted that edit I made. I'm actually leaving this message just to let you know that I'm thanking you for alerting me with my mistake. JurassicClassic767 (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@JurassicClassic767: No problem, thanks for helping out. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Isaac Alarcon

Good evening, saw the change you made in terms of the undrafted information. In this particularly case, he finished his college career in 2019, so he was elegibile for this draft if a team chose to select him. So this means he is an undrafted free agent. Although he wasn't signed with all of the traditional free agents, this is because doing it through the international program will give him 2 years to develop on the practice squad without the team being forced to waive him. I would recommend reverting your change.Tecmo (talk) 22:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tecmo: International players are always weird when it comes to the year they are actually eligible for the NFL Draft. Sav Rocca played Australian rules football professionally for 16 years before he signed with the Eagles in 2007. At one point someone added that he went undrafted in 2007, but that is certainly not true. Jordan Mailata and Moritz Boehringer were also part of the International Player Pathway, but it was explicitly clear they were eligible for the drafts they were eventually selected in. Usually with international players the |undraftedyear= parameter is left blank in the infobox unless it is explicitly known which year a player was eligible for the draft (like Jordan Mailata and Moritz Boehringer, who were drafted). Can you find a source that explicitly states Alarcón was eligible for this past year's draft? It seems that he played professional football for some time before joining the college team, but the rule (as shown here) is that a player must be three years removed from high school graduation in order to be eligible for the NFL Draft. In any case, the prose should not say he signed as an undrafted free agent, since officially he has only been "allocated" to the Cowboys and did not sign a typical contract. I'm also not confident this player is even notable enough right now for his own article. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Let’s go one by one. 1) For sure he didn't play any professional football, he went from high school, to college, to the NFL, and many articles confirm this. Example: https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/dallas-cowboys-add-huge-mexican-ot-isaac-alarcon-to-roster/ 2) Rocca is not a good example, because he never entered the league through an NFL International Program. 3) What I found is that he was a senior in college in 2019, which that should be good enough to clear the question if he was eligible. He actually had to leave his last semester unfinished to join the Program. In the following link, translating it to English mentions: Alarcon is one semester away from graduating from Automotive Design Engineering (IDA) at Tec de Monterrey. https://maximoavance.com/2020/04/isaac-alarcon-el-mexicano-con-el-talento-la-disciplina-y-la-fe-para-triunfar-en-la-nfl/ 4) Even if you consider the contract being different (which it is), a player that was signed by an NFL team and was not drafted, by definition is undrafted, this is a clear cut definition.Tecmo (talk) 22:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tecmo: This article says he has played professional football since he was 14 years old. It could be a translation error, but it's not like there's a whole lot of coverage of him prior to last week to compare to. Since there still doesn't appear to be any sources indicating Alarcón was eligible for last weekend's draft, other than your own analysis, I believe it is original research to include that in his article. If a player goes undrafted in 2014 and signs with an NFL team in 2020, they would not be called an "undrafted free agent" in reliable sources, they'd be called a "street free agent" if anything. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:26, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: I think you know that it is impossible to have a professional football player at 14 years old, even as a legal situation. I would request not to base your information in just one article that can seemingly help your argument, even though the translation they did is pretty bad, but look instead at the whole spectrum of information. That same article mentions that his team is the Tecnologico de Monterrey which as you can see in Wikipedia is a college not a professional team. The Liga Mayor translation to Major League that they made, in the following Wikipedia article mentions: "Today the ONEFA is formed by 100 teams divided into four categories: Liga Mayor (College), Liga Intermedia (Undergrad/ Varsity High School, Liga Juvenil (two categories – Junior High/ Middle School), and Liga Infantil (six categories – Middle School/ Elementary School)". I would request to keep an open mind and confirm that at this we are talking about an undrafted free agent as all the correct avaiable information points to that. If in the following weeks this changes and we find out something else, then we can make a change. But I don't think that someone that is proven to be a senior in college in his country, could not have been eligible for the 2020 NFL Draft, like it happens in the NBA for international players.Tecmo (talk) 19:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tecmo: If you want to discuss this at WT:NFL, discuss there. I'm not having the exact same conversation in two different spots. I do not know the legal age to play sports professionally in other countries, so please do not insinuate I am being dishonest to help my case. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Request

Any chance you can delete the Charlie Brewer re-direct? I'm looking to create the Baylor QB and disambiguation isn't necessary.-- Yankees10 17:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Yankees10: You can create the page at Charlie Brewer (American football) first and then I can move it to Charlie Brewer. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:35, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright sounds good, I'll let you know when or if I create it.-- Yankees10 17:41, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

A question

Why did you revert my edit on the Don Shula article? MikaelaArsenault (talk) 14:48, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@MikaelaArsenault: [1] "died peacefully at his home" is not neutral (WP:NPOV) and falls under expressions that lack precision. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Opinion on draft case debacle

Recently, I had a discussion with @Dicklyon over the letter case for the word "draft" in "the NFL Draft". There are two other related discussions back in 2014 and 2016 which detail some arguments for both uppercase and lowercase. Many others and I would prefer if the case were uppercase while many others from other communities would prefer if it were lowercase. Since you're both an admin and active in both WP:NFL and WP:CFB, I thought I would bring it to your attention before the community as a whole. If you think we should make it lowercase, then let's start a discussion on the WikiProject. If not, then can you please revert the moves made by Dicklyon to some pages in Category:Lists of National Football League draftees by college football team and change the title back to uppercase. Thank you. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 19:41, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@KingSkyLord: Hi, thanks for the message. When the requested move at Talk:2016 NFL Draft resulted in a move back to uppercase (along with the subsequent endorsement of the closure at WP:Move review), the closer said all articles titled "20xx NFL draft" should move to "20xx NFL Draft". Based on the close, I'm not sure there is definitive consensus for other articles containing the term "NFL draft" in their title to all be moved to uppercase since they were not mentioned. Dicklyon originally moved those college football articles to lowercase in 2014, but since they were not moved back following the discussions until you moved them two weeks ago, it seems like that group of articles may require a different discussion. In any case, based on the comments at Talk:2016 NFL Draft following the move, the users chiming in on your talk page, and the closer's comments at the move review (Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2016 July#2016 NFL Draft), it is clear another move discussion or a full-blown RFC will be needed to settle this going forward. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

D. J. White (American football)

The date with the Cowboys should only be 2019, but you changed it to include 2020 (2019–2020), when this player didn't make it even to OTAs or Minicamp this year. Please change it back to only include 2019 or let other people correct this date error.Jazz3111 (talk) 02:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jazz3111: The NFL offseason begins after the Super Bowl in February, it does not begin at OTAs or minicamps. If a player is under contract at any point from February to August, they are considered an offseason member. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:14TeamBracket-NFL

I'd have you note that, because of the recent expansion of the NFL playoffs, I registered a template article and have been sitting on it until someone with expertise in developing a bracket comes along. Why delete the template before someone got to it? –Piranha249 21:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Piranha249: I’m not really sure what your goal with that redirect was. If someone wants to actually create the template, they are free to. “Sitting on” a template sounds like you want credit for creating the template without actually doing any of the coding. Since the template wouldn’t be used for another 7 months anyway, I see no point in having a cross-namespace redirect or a fully-capable template right now. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: You're right, it was way too early to do something. But it still needs to be done by the time the regular season ends. –Piranha249 22:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

@Headbomb: Thanks! If you come across another batch of American football articles that need help, feel free to let me know and I'll be happy to help. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Those were pretty easy to identify since there were all at the top of the category with similar names. But I'll let you know there are other batches that need help. Searching for "American Football" on Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors yields ~169 results so do feel free to have a go at things. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

new NFL.com link URL

Ok, I've never used AWB before, but I'd like to help out with this. I managed to get it to work... almost. What did I do wrong here? Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 18:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I just hit "enter" after the expresssion in the Replace field. Maybe that fixed it? Was it that stupid of an error? Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 18:29, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Jauerback: You'll need to include a line break after the code for the "replace with" window (just hitting the "enter" key at the end of the code should work). Also, for players who have the same name as other players, it's kinda just guess-and-check. https://www.nfl.com/players/anthony-allen/ leads to Anthony Allen (wide receiver), but https://www.nfl.com/players/anthony-allen-2/ (with the "-2" at the end) leads to Anthony Allen (running back). What I've been doing so far is just skipping players who have disambiguations for positions and I'll go back and do those manually. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Wow, it was as simple as that. What about this one where the NFL is also an EL? Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 18:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jauerback: {{Football stats}} uses the same {{{nfl}}} parameter function for its NFL.com links now, so nothing wrong there. Thanks for helping out! Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know that some articles are still being tracked in Category:Infobox NFL biography articles with old NFL.com URL, despite the NFL links being fixed. Currently, the first five are still shown in the category, despite the link being updated. I realize that it may not update immediately, but then I noticed that I updated Tom Zbikowski three days ago, and he's still listed. No big deal; just thought you should be aware. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 16:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jauerback: Thanks, those articles are still being populated because they have the "-2" (or a different number) at the end of their URLs. I need to figure out a way to exclude that string from the tracking category, since right now it's only populating articles that have any number in the |nfl= parameter. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Carlos Hyde

Carlos Hyde signed with the Seahawks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:B14A:9543:1125:148E:BBDA:BCE4 (talk) 06:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) As of right now, news of the signing have only come from reports with no formal confirmation from the Seahawks. Until that announcement happens, Hyde is still officially listed as a free agent. Zappa⚡Matic 07:27, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Carlos Hyde is listed as a Seahawk on the Pro Football Reference and ESPN websites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rico dreadz (talk • contribs) 10:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rico dreadz: Does the Seahawks website list him anywhere? Please see WP:SPORTSTRANS and WP:RSBREAKING. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

So ESPN is not considered a reliable source of information? NFL team websites are not updated everyday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rico dreadz (talk • contribs) 19:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rico dreadz: The team has not announced the signing, and that typically means it hasn't been completed yet. We don't write about rumors on Wikipedia, or reports, because this website is not a news dump. The report from ESPN says that "a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Friday" that Hyde signed with the Seahawks. WP:RSBREAKING has more information on dealing with unconfirmed reports from news outlets. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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Bot Run

I just approved the NFL bot run. Are you still planning on running supervised for the rest of the task? If not, I'll put up the bot flag to allow auto editing. Primefac (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)

@Primefac: Thanks! Yes, it will still be supervised, but only in that after a batch of edits are made I will go back and check to make sure all the links correspond to the correct players. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Eleven Years on Wikipedia!

Hey, Eagles247. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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This signature string fits within the 255-character limit with 3 to spare, and the appearance is preserved. —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for updating your signature! —Anomalocaris (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• Yea ~ Eagles247 ~ the other one was getting pretty old ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 18:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for protecting and cleaning up my user page from harassment when I was on a wiki-break. I would seem the same persistent sockpuppet is back at it again so I have opened an new case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kansascitt1225. Thanks again. Grey Wanderer (talk) 04:13, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Dawn Aponte

On 30 June 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dawn Aponte, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Dawn Aponte became the highest-ranked woman in NFL football operations when she was appointed chief administrator in June 2017? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dawn Aponte. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Dawn Aponte), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Award predictions

Do you think (consensus) predictions such as this is acceptable content to add to articles? As an example: "Prior to the season, Young was considered to be the leading candidate to win the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year award". ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dissident93: Similar to draft projections, content like that is fine as long as it is attributed within the prose to who is making that prediction. WP:CRYSTAL spells this out clearer. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:45, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Eagles247, right, I just thought maybe it seemed a little too "hype" driven or something. Of course for claims like this you'd want more than just a single publication (which exists for Young and Burrow too it appears). ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Connie Carberg

On 12 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Connie Carberg, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Connie Carberg, the NFL's first female scout, made mock drafts as a hobby while growing up? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Connie Carberg. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Connie Carberg), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Objections?

Do you have any objections with me U5'ing the Bellecottage sandboxes?-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:47, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ponyo: I was in the process of doing so manually, but if you just want to nuke them feel free. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:48, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Done! -- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:52, 16 July 2020 (UTC)