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Accusation of edit warring

Dear Ebyabe: I received a notification of alleged edit warring on the article for Luby's Shooting. Please note that my original edit was done factually and it added to the story, but it was almost immediately removed with the edit statement that certain facts were wrong. I researched it and discovered that I was correct, and unedited that. Then, my edit was undone by a person with only an IP address, 67.149.186.215, which I assumed was not a registered user. I chalked it up to vandalism, and unedited it. That user then repeatedly undid my edits. I assumed, as stated that it was continued vandalism by an unregistered user. I was ready to report the user with IP 67.149.186.215, but they stopped undoing my edits, so I chose to leave it alone. Now I see they are the ones who are reporting me. If the user had at least attempted to resolve the issue by contacting me on my Talk page, I would have considered their view and attempted some resolution. However, I was never contacted by the unregistered user with the IP address of 67.149.186.215 to resolve the issue, which lead me to further believe it was the work of a passing vandal. Thank you.

Rural Legend~enwiki <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luby%27s_shooting&action=history</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rural Legend~enwiki (talk • contribs) 16:36, 21 June 2016

@Rural Legend~enwiki: I was just notifying you b/c the person who reported you didn't, like they were supposed to. I'm not for or against either one of your edits. I hope you all can work it out. Cheers. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 21:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Sofía Vergara's nationality

"Colombian-American" implies she was born an American of Colombian heritage, it's better to use "Colombian-born American" since she was born in Colombia and acquired American citizenship through natrualization. Now, why do you keep reverting it every time someone changes it to "Colombian-born American"?70.117.93.249 (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

She holds Colombian citizenship, so Colombian-American is correct. People can read the rest of the article to see where she was born. Also, I am not the only one that has reverted this change. You might want to ask everyone else why they are doing it too. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 00:08, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


Community Farmers Markets in Tampa, Florida

Community farmers markets are a distinct part of Tampa culture and a unique feature of Tampa. Each farmers market in Tampa reflects the area's charm with locally produced specialties — such as fruits, vegetables, nursery stock and other products — for sale directly to the public. Each retail farmers market in Tampa is independent and establishes its own vendor rules and regulations.<ref>Rodriguez, Jose. Division of Marketing & Development, [http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Consumer-Resources/Buy-Fresh-From-Florida/Community-Farmers-Markets "Community farmers markets"], ''Florida Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services''. Retrieved June 21, 2016.</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyjsansone (talk • contribs) 02:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, (a) that's almost a word for word copy from that reference, which is considered a copyright violation and (b) all you did was replace the word 'Florida' with 'Tampa'. Nothing in the source says anything about Tampa's farmers markets, or Tallahassee's, or Miami's, or any other Florida city. Again, this is the kind of material that is more apropos for WikiVoyage, not Wikipedia. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Inspector General ‖ 02:20, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

OK that's more of what I needed to know. I'll wait till there's better sources then, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyjsansone (talk • contribs) 02:28, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I have opened a discussion at Talk:Tampa, Florida. Please feel free to continue the conversation there. Thanks. --‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health ‖ 02:51, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

No one should have to put up with the ridiculous BS you went through. Take care.

Sro23 (talk) 09:14, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Actually, I find it amusing. It also appealed to my Don Quixote side. And 'ian rose', where the frack did he get that from? I know we're supposed to assume good faith, but child seriously needs to get back on their meds. Cheers.  :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Repel All Boarders ‖ 09:55, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Peyton List

Why you don't accept my modification at Peyton List (actress, born in 1998 ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samyjen (talk • contribs) 18:10, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

If you mean Peyton List (actress, born 1998), it is because you do not own the copyright to the images you uploaded. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 18:22, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Housefull3

Housefull3 collected 187.36crore.Why you not updating Itsapu (talk) 06:38, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

@Itsapu: Please restate your request in full sentences. What is Housefull3? What are crore? What reliable sources do you have to make this change, to whatever it is? Thank you. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 06:42, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Spider-Man in Film (Cannon Films)

What the hell did you just do, I added info so that it could be true than any Wikipedia member could just revert it back to as it, as Ted Newsom corrected the info before, and I added some which I got from Ted Newsom, so I could add it in so it could be true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesLeung1987 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Read WP:NOTTRUTH. None of the info you added was reliably sourced, therefore editors have every right to remove it. It's your job to support new information being introduced with citations per WP:BURDEN. Sro23 (talk) 06:03, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
What Sro said. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 06:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
And since you've been indefinitely blocked, I guess you've answered your own question. Toodles. --‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health ‖ 06:44, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Orphan tagging

I noticed that in your AWB run to update the NRHP templates, you're also adding orphan tags to a lot of articles. Since all those articles are at minimum linked to from the county lists, that doesn't seem like something we'd want to do en masse, even if the orphan tag can technically be applied to articles with only one inbound link. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 00:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

You have a point. I'll turn off the autotag. I'm more concerned about adding the state-specific templates I'm creating anyway, and getting rid of the 'Registered Historic Places' template in the process. Cheers!  :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Inspector General ‖ 00:28, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Trap Happy

Is it okay if I add "BOOM!" line in the page after the bomb explodes. Marole3 (talk) 01:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

No. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 01:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Could you help me?

Hi Ebyabe. I'm user:lakemirror. You came to my attention from a simple edit you made to Camp Mack's River Resort, where you added an advert tag. I have since read several of your edits and some of your talk page, and I like your style. My experience as a wikipedia editor is limited and I'd like to take a stab at "fiddling around with wikipedia" (in your words) in a more meaningful way.

I'm thinking that the Camp Mack article could be my first project. user:campmack, the creator and main contributor to that page, has started dropping links to it on the Winter Haven, Florida (my hometown) article, which I and at least one other editor have been removing them.

Here are the issues that I see so far. First, the links on the Winter Haven page are promotional IMO, and I'd like to convince campmack of that. Second, the entire Camp Mack article seems to read like a brochure, as you pointed out with your advert tag. Further, in no specific order: while there are some references on the Camp Mack page, much is either unreferenced, referenced by inline external links, etc; the page seems to have COI and NPOV issues; the user name campmack itself might violate policy.

You've seen the page. Could you take a look at it again and tell me what you would do? I have no dog in this fight, I live in Winter Haven and I've been to Camp Mack but otherwise have no interest other than wanting to help. Advice? Lakemirror (talk) 17:58, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate the kind words. That user hasn't done any edits since the end of May, so the problem may have taken care of itself. I did go ahead ahead and report the user and article at the Conflict of interest noticeboard, since it's pretty obvious there is one. Things should take their course now. Btw, when I saw your username, at first I thought you might be from Lakeland. You know, b/c of this. Any other questions and such, I'm here. Cheers!  :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Border Town ‖ 18:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
I also noticed you've been on Wikipedida almost as long as I have. Hey old-timer. ;) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Welfare State ‖ 18:23, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Cool! I'll watch the progress there. The user is still active but looks like he got some help with editing the Camp Mack page. There is a Lake Mirror in Winter Haven as well, on the chain...that's my stomping ground. Thanks very much! Lakemirror (talk) 18:36, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Trivia/Disruptive editing

I sent a message to a user about adding trivia section, but they reverted it and didn't reply. Why don't you see the revisions like in 2009. They had trivia. Marole3 (talk) 20:40, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

This is 2016, not 2009. Things have changed. See WP:TRIVIA for more info. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Border Town ‖ 20:59, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
You seem to have asked this same question several places under several identities. Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Marole3. - SummerPhDv2.0 00:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect application of WP:Notability guideline.

You recent edit at Peter Davison with the Edit Summary of "remove bio info of nonnotable children" was an incorrect application of WP:Notability. Content within articles is never determined based on notability. The sole function of WP:N is to determine if "whether the topic should have its own article." The guideline also states: "These guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article or list. They do not limit the content of an article or list. " and also states: "The criteria applied to article creation/retention are not the same as those applied to article content. The notability guidelines do not apply to article or list content (with the exception that some lists restrict inclusion to notable items or people)." This is a biographical article and not a list so those rare exceptions do not apply. Finally the material removed was well sourced and fully in compliance with WP:BLP. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 04:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

OK. --‖ Ebyabe talk - State of the Union ‖ 05:25, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Koala Tea Of Mercy: WP:NPF pretty clearly discourages including info (e.g. names) on non-notable public figures in the articles of notable public figures. Frankly, there needs to be a massively compelling reason to include the names of the "minor children" in the articles of public figures – passing mentions in something like People magazine really aren't enough in the opinions of many editors. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
@IJBall: Appreciate the input. First and foremost the biggest issue I had was using WP:N to justify the removal of content within an article. I see that guideline abused far too often by well-intentioned people who do not correctly understand its function at Wikipedia. There might or might not be other reasons for removing the sourced material but WP:notability is not a valid one. That being said, I am not 100% in agreement with your reading of WP:NPF as requiring "a massively compelling reason", language I do not find in the guideline at all. Many WP articles on living and deceased people include their immediate ancestry and progeny, as the names of a person's parents and children are a rather important part of any person's biography. However since I do not work often in BLP articles I admit I will need to do my research into the history of this guideline before attempting to argue too strenuously. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 10:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
  • @IJBall:, @Ebyabe:: Okay. I did some research and I found there definitely were/are several valid reasons for removing the names and other details. The first reason (as correctly pointed out by DonQuixote here) is WP:BLPNAME: the kids are not immediate progeny, they are his grand-kids (by his daughter G.M. and her husband D.T.) and as such fail the provision of that policy section. The second reason is a clear violation of WP:BLP itself, the name that was listed for the most recent child is not sourced at all (no such name is anywhere in the references provided) and with the exception of two very unreliable sources[1][2] is not even findable on the internet. For all we know this name could be pure fan speculation and so that name must be removed immediately. The third reason brings us back to WP:BLPNAME and WP:NPF in that the parents (GM and DT) have pointedly made it clear they do not wish to publicize the details of their private lives. Other than the fact that they have announced the births and therefor it is appropriate to include the quantity of children, no details about the children should be provided in any of the three articles I have mentioned. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 12:01, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

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User talk:Materialscientist

There were two additions by the same IP to User talk:Materialscientist. Just an FYI. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 06:29, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Posse Cat (Tom and Jerry)

Two I.P.'s added material to this page, but User: Steve Quinn identified it as vandalism using WP:Stiki, editing tests, even though the material was there last September. Could you please help? 2600:1010:B015:E499:4FA0:82F:A43A:D228 (talk) 15:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, just because the material existed there in the past, does not automatically mean it must be restored. Shouldn't the goal be to improve articles? Unsourced trivia and fancruft have no place in an encyclopedia. Also agree that you would get much less grief on wikia. Please stick to the Tom and Jerry wiki instead. Sro23 (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

No, it was in the plot section and the issue should be discussed. The page WP:Citing sources was created in 2002, yet, many users added trivia. Why? 2600:1010:B015:E499:4FA0:82F:A43A:D228 (talk) 17:27, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

These discussions should be made at Talk:Posse Cat. Alternatively, you could register an account and then you would be able to make the changes yourself. Of course they'd likely be reverted. Instead of adding trivia on that article, it should be removed from others. The plot summaries on these cartoons should also be trimmed as well. Plot summaries are just that, summaries. They should not have excessive details. Especially for ones that are only 6 or 7 minutes long. Cheers. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Border Town ‖ 19:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Conversely, you could edit on the Tom and Jerry wiki exclusively. Then you wouldn't have to worry about this stuff at all. Cheers. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Welfare State ‖ 19:43, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Ricky Martin

Hi... Thanks for this revert at the Ricky Martin article. FYI, the added term, "joto" is a derogartory Mexican-Spanish term for a homosexual, so the IP's edit was vandalism and I have issued a warning. Regards, EdChem (talk) 08:32, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome. I did not know the meaning, only that it wasn't a profession. Vandalism, makes no sense to me. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Welfare State ‖ 16:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Jeffrey Dean Morgan

The name of JDM's son with Hilarie Burton has been revealed by both JDM and Burton in interviews and is sourced. Children's names are permitted in Wikipedia articles, especially when they have been publicly revealed by the parents. There's no reason to remove it (especially since the name of the other boy whom another actress claimed is JDM's son is in the same paragraph). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lib2003 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Generally, child names are not included in bio articles unless the child is notable in their own right. This is such a case. For other examples, see Jensen Ackles, Jared Padalecki and Norman Reedus. Another editor has removed the nonnotable child's name, which is unnecessary for comprehension of the issue. Thank you. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 20:17, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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Florida MPS merger into CDP article

Hi, please see Talk:Whitfield, Manatee County, Florida#Merge discussion, which proposes merger of Whitfield Estates Subdivision MPS into the Whitfield CDP article. My attention is brought to this area as I am trying to develop two NRIS-only stubs that are in the MPS. I think that this MPS page, like other area-based MPSs in Florida and elsewhere, has served a purpose to index the MPS properties, but that the MPS itself is not properly a Wikipedia article, and it is time to merge it. If you're okay with it, I'd like to implement the merger and develop discussion of the Whitfield Estates Subdivision in the merger target article in some detail. --doncram 13:44, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

That's fine. I created the MPS lists ages ago because I was trying to make at least pages for all the Florida NRHP stuff. If actual articles can be made, or something like that, it'd be great. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Health and Welfare ‖ 18:03, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Pre-prod on filmography table

Hi! I hope you don't mind me asking, but I'm not having luck in searching for this. Is there any section dealing with established norms about the projects that shouldn't go in the filmography table? I'm asking because of the recent edit you did on Dylan O'Brien's page. For some time I've been observing in a lot of actors' pages that they have projects in the filmography table that are not even in pre-prod yet, while others are not allowed to. The Death Cure has been on this particular table for ages, so I had been assuming it was some sort of editor's choice rather than an established norm.

Also, if I may add, I think an exception should be made in this particular case. I don't know if you're familiar with what happened, but the movie already began filming. It had to be delayed because a huge on-set accident occurred, but filming dates and new location are back in place. I think, in order to comply with the info provided in the rest of the sections, even if there's a rule set for projects in the infobox, it's actually worth it to make an exception with just this particular film.

That's all. Thank you! Bice24 (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

F.Y.I.

The User 67.218.39.22 is a vandal to whom I've had problems with in the past. So to let you know they weren't doing a test they were trying to vandalize my User and User Talk pages again. I plan to deal with by making a vandalism report if it continues. YborCityJohn (talk) 04:16, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I figured. I just like using the "test" warning as it's nicer. Also a kill-em-with-kindness kind of thing. Vandals, I just can't understand them. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 05:31, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Jeff Stearns

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Sorry, Ebyabe. I'm not meaning to pick on you here. I suspect that this was an article created early in your Wikipedia editing career. (I bet we all have, or had, an article like this...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:22, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
That's OK. I think it was one of the first I created, back in 2006. I'm fine with whatever happens to it. --‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health ‖ 18:30, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Kotli Saru Khan page

Hello Ebyabe, While creating the Kotli Saru Khan page, it was already discussed with other wikipedia user and they accept the history and other detail of page but while further updating the page, you removed all information from it. Most of the information is already authorised/have reference source, provided in the reference but I don't know that why you remove those information also. please allow to republish the page and add update the detail. History of our villages are not documented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.5.65.197 (talk) 04:31, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

The information at Kotli Saru Khan removed was either unsourced or unreliably sourced. Until that changes, it cannot be re-added. What other user are you talking about? --‖ Ebyabe talk - Inspector General ‖ 05:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi E. I hope you are well. It turns out that the OP is a sock who is now blocked so you wont be hearing from them again - well not under this user name anyway :-) Have a fun Halloween weekend! MarnetteD|Talk 13:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I figured as much. Am doing well. Just took a photo roadtrip (my first in a while), and hope to do more now that it's getting cooler. Maybe even this weekend. Cheers!  :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 16:23, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

mistakes

Deleting added content you do not agree with is a mistake and violates the spirit of the original idea forming Wikipedia article formatting. Jamesnichols (talk) 18:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

No, @Jamesnichols:, deleting unsourced content is perfectly in keeping with Wikipedia policies. I notice you did not leave messages on the other two people who reverted you. Cheers. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 18:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Jason and Shadow

Already found a better source. Don't request protection please. 2600:1000:B010:3DD9:25EB:D2C1:67EE:74D6 (talk) 03:39, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

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Need some help...

Hi, Ebyabe. I could use some help with Schmitz123, whom I believe you have already come across in the last 24 hours. Not only do they continue to add the names of non-notable children to a range of U.S. soap opera star articles, but they are also edit warring to keep IMDb references. In short, everything they're doing violates WP:BLP. I'm about to sign off for the night, so I'd appreciate it if you could keep an eye on this. Considering that they're about to edit war at Don Diamont on this, I'm starting to think a block may be necessary here if it doesn't stop... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:00, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall:, sure, I'll keep an eye on them. Cheers. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Welfare State ‖ 06:00, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

IJBall I feel it is unfair he way i am being picked on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmitz123 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

@Schmitz123: You are not being "picked" on. Several of us are trying to show you the correct way to edit TV-actor WP:BLPs, but you are ignoring the advice. If you would just listen to what we are telling you – that you need proper sourcing before adding info to these articles, and that minor children's names should be left out, as per WP:BLPNAMES – this wouldn't be an issue. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:20, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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