User talk:EconomicsGuy/Archive Jan 2008

the running of the asylum

You're absolutely right. I write mainly about ballet (neo-classical and contemproary), a little about modern dance, and it's an uphill battle against ignoramuses whose idea of dance begins and ends with Paula Abdul questioning the notability of pages about New York City Ballet; exhibit (a) a Wikipedia inmate whose magnum opus is an article about his high school band director; exhibit (b) another who writes on the Tchaikovsky talk page, "Who cares about Petipa?", and this during Nutcracker season! (fortunately I've found a protector of sorts among the Wiki administrators.) Mvh Robert Greer (talk) 18:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jim62sch

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On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Anthøny 17:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks but I have no plans to participate. I just wanted ArbCom to accept so that ridiculous flame war on ANI could end. Wikipedians have funny ways of celebrating New Years eve... EconomicsGuy (talk) 18:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You are such a good guy!

Above and beyond the call of duty. If everyone here was like you, We'd be much further along than we are now. I admire you deeply. Jeffpw (talk) 08:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me here! Thanks Jeff! You really are the nicest person I've ever encountered here also and I really hope this works out. I admire you too and everything I wrote on that barnstar I gave you still applies and even more so now! EconomicsGuy (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• you know, of course, that the IP on Simple was his friend Joe? This IP is from our checkuser here: 88.108.0.0/17. This was the Simple one: 88.108.32.15. I'm going to be watching the new acct there to make sure he doesn't ruin things. Jeffpw (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Oh you're right. I mixed them up because the other one (this) is not a Tiscali IP but I see now that you are absolutely right. I thought that post on his talk page there looked awfully familiar. I'll keep an eye on it as well because I don't think they are ready for anything like what happened here. Thanks for the heads up - I don't know why I didn't check that better. EconomicsGuy (talk) 18:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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Our Mutual Friend

Our mutual friend has been evading his block using IP addresses. He is now up for indefinite blocking. You need to explain to him that if he continues, he will be indefinitely blocked. Razorflame (talk) 23:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

In case you don't know who I am referring to, I am referring to Iamandrewrice. Also, if you have anything you need, feel free to contact me on my talk page :) Razorflame (talk) 00:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks but I have asked Jeff to look into this since I wasn't home when he got blocked (he was doing fine when I left my house and went to my niece's birthday) and I won't be home today. I'll be available again tonight European time. EconomicsGuy (talk) 08:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

You are such a good guy!

Above and beyond the call of duty. If everyone here was like you, We'd be much further along than we are now. I admire you deeply. Jeffpw (talk) 08:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me here! Thanks Jeff! You really are the nicest person I've ever encountered here also and I really hope this works out. I admire you too and everything I wrote on that barnstar I gave you still applies and even more so now! EconomicsGuy (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• you know, of course, that the IP on Simple was his friend Joe? This IP is from our checkuser here: 88.108.0.0/17. This was the Simple one: 88.108.32.15. I'm going to be watching the new acct there to make sure he doesn't ruin things. Jeffpw (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Oh you're right. I mixed them up because the other one (this) is not a Tiscali IP but I see now that you are absolutely right. I thought that post on his talk page there looked awfully familiar. I'll keep an eye on it as well because I don't think they are ready for anything like what happened here. Thanks for the heads up - I don't know why I didn't check that better. EconomicsGuy (talk) 18:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Armenia-Azerbaijan 3

Per this post I have decided to notify about the case as you were an administrators active on Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement. -- Cat ^chi? 20:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. I know they aren't gonna take the case but at least someone said enough is enough now. Just look at which admins are involved - there is no way ArbCom is going to state that their work hasn't helped. EconomicsGuy (talk) 11:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

thought you might want to see this

Hi. Though I'm not an admin I've left a statement on the ArbCom request. In other news I thought you might want to see this. If this case gets accepted I'm going to ask for a neutral and uninvolved admin to mediate because clearly he is neither of those things. EconomicsGuy (talk) 14:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

We have been in tougher situations Al. We are here to put things right that once went wrong. Perhaps we need Dr. Sam Beckett to correct this one. Sorry I have just been watching too much Quantum Leap lately... :)

I'd like that. I wonder how far this crusade will go. How are admins that mock people for their opinions be legitemate candidates to enforce civility? I hope they are having a good belly laugh. Shows how seriously they take the matter.

I really do not want to defend myself. Whenever I do that people accuse me of drama. I be damned if I defend. I be damned if I don't defend.

-- Cat ^chi? 14:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

If Lar is right the problem with Andranikpasha may solve itself without Moreschi. I seriously don't get how they are getting away with this and if ArbCom decides to look at this I'll bring this up because he shouldn't be making those remarks. A mediator should not be biased against one of the parties and remember that Moreschi is only supposed to be mediating the A-A dispute - not "anything related to Armenia". If anyone else is reading this (I doubt it as no one cares what I say here on Enwiki) I'm neither pro-Turkey or pro-Armenia. I'm just concerned about how these people are gaming the system when it is obvious what is going on. EconomicsGuy (talk) 16:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 22:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

thought you might want to see this

Hi. Though I'm not an admin I've left a statement on the ArbCom request. In other news I thought you might want to see this. If this case gets accepted I'm going to ask for a neutral and uninvolved admin to mediate because clearly he is neither of those things. EconomicsGuy (talk) 14:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

We have been in tougher situations Al. We are here to put things right that once went wrong. Perhaps we need Dr. Sam Beckett to correct this one. Sorry I have just been watching too much Quantum Leap lately... :)

I'd like that. I wonder how far this crusade will go. How are admins that mock people for their opinions be legitemate candidates to enforce civility? I hope they are having a good belly laugh. Shows how seriously they take the matter.

I really do not want to defend myself. Whenever I do that people accuse me of drama. I be damned if I defend. I be damned if I don't defend.

-- Cat ^chi? 14:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:List of attacks by the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia#Outside comment on sources

Well, they demonstrate how unfriendly they are towards any uninvolved parties. I wonder how long this nonsense will continue.

-- Cat ^chi? 10:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Given Moreschi's and Folantin's friendship and the free pass to insult and be snarky that Moreschi has apparently been given this could go on for some time I'm afraid. The ownership problems and Moreschi's obvious COI is baffling. EconomicsGuy (talk) 19:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

your comment on an/i

re this; I've replied there, but I thought I ask you what connection you saw between my post and White Cat. Yes, he's run afoul of me before, but he is not one of the resurrectionists undoing redirected articles (although he does want many of them resurrected) and those are the users I was commenting on. --Jack Merridew 12:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

First of all I think we view Wikipedia and the reason we have discussions very differently. I assumed you were trying to cool things down when you intervened - if that was the wrong assumption then sorry about that. The rest of my criticism stands and I don't think your confrontational comments and rethoric is helping but that's just my opinion as much as your broad and provocative statements are your opinion.

That specific comment by you, however unhelpful to achieving consensus, was not aimed directly at White Cat and I should have clarified in my comment why I saw a connection. EconomicsGuy (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Orion (constellation)

Hello. I wish to nominated the article Orion (constellation) to be semi-protected because of the extreme number of anonymous vandals editing that article. Considering it's a high profile article, an article children would be likely to look up, the detrimental effects of the vandalism to how Wikipedia looks as a whole, and the proportion that most edits are vandalism and reversions, I think semi-protection against anonymous users would be appropriate. Since the process requires a consensus on the article's talk page and you are one of the registered users who have reverted vandalism recently, I am writing in the hopes that you will go to the talk page and agree to the semi-protection. If we can get a convincing consensus, we can continue the process to the next step. Thanks for your time. --Bark (talk) 15:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

You don't need consensus to request semi-protection due to vandalism. I have filed the protection request on your behalf. EconomicsGuy (talk) 15:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

You misunderstood. I was trying to build a consensus on the talk page before asking for protection, and came here to solicit your support. According to the policy page, this is desirable when possible, and I believe it makes a stronger argument if more than one person is asking. --Bark (talk) 17:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Hey there, I'm writing to inform you that I have withdrawn my request for adminship, which was currently standing at 11 supports, 22 opposes and 6 neutrals. This count could have been so much better if I had understood policy, although I believe that 17 questions is a lot to ask of a user's first RfA. I will take on all comments given at the RfA and will endeavour to meet the high expectations of the RfA voters. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 21:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, what is the worst thing that could happen with WP:IAR? _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 19:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Because it is policy someone can use it as a counter argument in bad faith to lawyer their way around guidelines and policies. For example, a POV pusher can choose to invoke IAR once his arguments have been refuted and thus be disruptive and wikilawyering simply because he believes that IAR is an entitlement to disregard policy or guidelines in favor of disruptive behaviour. IAR is an entitlement to use common sense when policy or guidelines are in the way of what is obviously in the best interest of the project. It is not an entitlement to disregard policy or guidelines to advance ones own interests. Vandals are easier to deal with because we can revert, block, ignore and involve checkuser if things get out of hand. POV pushers and simular disruptive editors are harder to deal with if they are allowed to abuse IAR. That's why it's important to know the boundaries of WP:IAR and why we have it. It is also important because we don't want administrators to use IAR in case of blocks etc. if it isn't required to achieve the desired objective. Looking at it that way IAR can be a dangerous tool in the hands of an admin as well if he or she does not understand the purpose of it. It can be a blessing and a curse. EconomicsGuy (talk) 20:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, see WP:IAR? for a list of (more or less) theoretical things that could go wrong if it isn't applied correctly. I still believe that disruption and wikilawyering are the worst things that can happen though. EconomicsGuy (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment

I just noticed your change to your user page. I hope it's not a sign of dissatisfaction w/the project that can't be worked through? You're a valued contributor here, and we can really use your insight. - Philippe | Talk 07:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks! It's a method I've used before to force myself to step away from things when I know deep down that I'm balancing on that thin line that could get me blocked. I've never been blocked or even warned after 18 months here so I need to step away before that happens. I'll be here, reading the encyclopedia that I love and is so hopelessly addicted to and to help my adoptees. The latter isn't possible if I'm blocked so I'm forcing myself to shut up until this is settled by the community that I trust and appreciate! EconomicsGuy (talk) 08:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it sounds like you're in touch with what you need to do, so please allow me to support and affirm that. I know the current controversy is frustrating (as a Gay Wikipedian, it's frustrating for me too). You do what's necessary to protect your own mental health, but know that the community is here and is less complete without you and your contributions. - Philippe | Talk 16:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ben

I am so sorry to bother you with this, but he just emailed me and sounded like he was preparing to do something drastic. I don't know what to do. I wrote back and asked if I could call him, but haven't heard back yet. Once again, sorry. I'm just really worried. Jeffpw (talk) 18:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh that sounds bad! Ummm should we try to contact the police? Maybe we should do this over e-mail. EconomicsGuy (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm forwarding you the whole thread in email. If you think the police need calling, maybe we could ask Alison (who did checkuser) to help with the IP. Jeffpw (talk) 18:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I just wrote him too and asked what was wrong and that I'm hoping he isn't planning to do something silly. Maybe she can help but let's see what he is up to. EconomicsGuy (talk) 18:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you thank you. I'm severely stressed about his mails. I just don't want to stand idly by if he is serious, though teens are often dramatic without even meaning to be. Thanks for being such a good wiki friend. Jeffpw (talk) 18:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I have e-mailed you the reply. I think he was just being a bit dramatic and insecure like all teenagers. He he thanks too Jeff for having mentored him and hanging in there when I stepped back from the whole Simple Wikipedia thing. I'll start to engage myself more in that because I have way too much time on my hands now that my adoptees aren't taking so muich time and I tend to get into heated debates when that happens. You are a good wiki friend too! EconomicsGuy (talk) 18:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Did things get sorted because the contribs he made after logging on over at the Simple English Wiki are a worry following what has been mentioned in this thread by the pair of you Whitstable (talk) 20:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The last emails he wrote me (a few minutes ago) were positive, and he said he isn't planning anything right now. He apologized for worrying us, and is now trying to upload an image to Commons (I am helping him with it). Thanks for your concern, Whitstable. Jeffpw (talk) 21:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa

My effort to regain adminship was unsuccessful. I appreciate you reconsidering your earlier opposition. Thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--MONGO 05:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Ultraexactzz is now an Administrator

My RfA was successful, and closed with 44 Supports, 6 Opposes, and 1 Neutral. For your support, you have my thanks - I fully intend to live up to the lofty yet not-a-big-deal responsibility you have granted me. For those who opposed my candidacy, I value your input and advice, and hope that I may prove worthy of your trust. Special thanks to both Rudget and bibliomaniac15 for their expert coaching and guidance. I look forward to serving the project, my fellow editors, the pursuit of higher knowledge, et cetera, et cetera. Again, you have my thanks. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 01:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)