User talk:Edit77edit

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Speedy deletion nomination of Chris Moore (blogger)[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Chris Moore (blogger) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Hello, Edit77edit. You have new messages at Phantomsteve's talk page.
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Appealing against the deletion of Chris Moore (blogger)[edit]

Before you do anything, please read the information at Wikipedia:Deletion review, which explains the purpose and scope of the review.

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I have moved our discussion (plus a copy of this thread) to User talk:Phantomsteve/Discussion about Chris Moore (blogger) - I am archiving the discussion from my talk page, since I have created a copy of our discussion.

Let me summarise the reasons why I believed that the article did not "indicate the importance or significance of the subject":

"Chris Moore is a blogger who writes, edits and publishes the web sites ..."
- Many people are bloggers who write, edit and publishes their own websites. There was nothing to indicate that Moore is important or significant in this regard
"He did not originate, but coined, and helped define, the term "Judeofascism"
- Leaving aside that "coining a phrase" is generally regarded as meaning the same thing as "originating a phrase" - there is no indication that this shows his importance or significance. Many people originate/coin phrases, which may even be used on a lot of websites, but this in and of itself does not show that they are significant or important
- Incidentally, in our discussions, we focussed mainly on this concept. As mentioned there, unless there is evidence at reliable and independent sources which verify (a) that he is connected strongly with the phrase, whether as originator or significant definer of the phrase; and (b) that the phrase is in common use at reliable independent sources - then it is hard to verify this. There was no indication in the article that it is in widespread use.
"In addition to LibertarianToday.com and Judeofascism.com, his writing has appeared on the popular Internet publications ..."
- Many people write for those publications - although some may be notable as Wikipedia defines notability, it will be for their "day jobs" rather than for. Writing for them would not make him notable in and of itself

The other problem is that you say that reliable independent sources could not be found - in fact all the hits on Google web search that I found about Moore and Judeofascism were all written by Chris Moore, with nothing linking the name and the phrase together in Google News, Google News Archives, Google Scholar or Google Books - which would indicate that from Wikipedia's criteria, the subject is not suitable for inclusion.

Now, it may be that the consensus of editors at Deletion review is that I was wrong to delete the article - that is one of the strengths of Wikipedia - but arguments need to be based on policies and guidelines (see Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines#Content standards for a list of relevant ones). Asking off-wiki for people to come and comment is frowned upon (and the closing admin can choose to ignore comments from editors who have never edited Wikipedia before, as the implication is that they were asked to come to save the article) - see Wikipedia:Canvassing.

When you start the review, mention that I have temporarily undeleted the article for review purposes, and it can be found at User:Phantomsteve/Chris Moore (blogger).

If you do not start a deletion review within about 48 hours, I will re-delete it - if you start the review after that time, let me know and I can restore it.

Regards, PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:40, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]