User talk:Eelco Schattorie

Hello, I'm 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63. I noticed that you made a change to an article, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 14:13, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Eelco Schattorie. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest. People with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, see the conflict of interest guideline and frequently asked questions for organizations. In particular, please:

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Help me!

Please help me with...I created a wikipedia page a few years ago Eelco Schattorie named. I am a professional Football coach. Last July some one changed my whole page incorrectly and incomplete without my permission. Ever since i am trying to change it back to the correct information but as soon as i do it gets changed back agin to the incorrect page. Please either let me delete my page and reopen a new account or what can i do? My career information and future opportunities can be influenced this way. please asap feedback and a solution

Eelco Schattorie (talk) 16:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

• I've responded to your message at my talk page, and have requested assistance at a relevant notice board. If you continue t remove sourced content, in order to create a promotional resume, I'll ask that your account(s) be blocked, and the article be protected. Thank you, 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Please i dont understand this. This is my own page so some one else changed my information that you seem to protect. Some of my information doesn't have english links as i worked in arabic countries. My page now is incorrect and incomplete. can you please contact me at eschattorie@icloud.com to elaborate and solve this problem. Thank you

• I can not right now, but I can tell you that it is not your 'own page', but is an encyclopedic entry, and as such must contain only properly sourced content. As I've mentioned numerous times, please read WP:COI, and use the article's talk page to make suggestions. AT present it appears to contain acceptable, sourced content. 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 18:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

• I'll have a look at the article, but Eelco Schattorie should be aware that an entry at Wikipedia is not "your own page" and no one is going to ask for your permission to edit it. Do you understand this? Sam Sailor ^Talk! 18:57, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Helped I have tagged your user page for deletion, see below. How many accounts and IPs do you edit from? Eelco Johannes Christiaan Schattorie at least apart from this account. To me it does not seems like you are here for any other reason than to promote yourself. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 19:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, of course it is a promotion. Is that an issue? Any way i do understand that i dont own the page, but please understand that my page is incomplete while it was fine before. Some one changed it to incorrect information. There are a few employers i worked for that are arabic. I can not read arabic or link them. any way i do not get the full concept of wikipedia and are just asking to help me here without referring to read pages and then follow up. everything i provided is based on reality and do not understand why it gets removed.

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Eelco Schattorie

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What is wrong?

Of course you will not find all arabic references as they are written in arabic news papers. Also who said i was head coach from 1990 till 2002 at VVV Venlo. I was for 4 games head coach as a interim and was Ass. Coach, TD Youth and Youth coach. I dont know what your problem is but it seems you have bad intentions.

Hey, I think you are referring to me as the one who messed up your page with wrong information... however, I edited your page with the sources I could find and did not just make up things. The only source I could find that listed your middle eastern coaching was your website and I can't use that as a source as that is not a reliable source (newspaper etc) and also I don't know if you were head coach or assistant. You definitely were not the head coach of VVV-Venlo from 1992 to 2002, their own website said you were head coach as caretaker for a bit but that is it. I don't care if this affects your future jobs, personally I have my own opinions about the job you did while in India but overall, this page is based on the sources we have and nothing more. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 05:59, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Dear User: ArsenalFan700

First thank you for your concern and interest in my wikipedia page. Al information that you provided was for 95% correct with some mistakes . Beside that your information is incomplete because you say you can not find the proper links. Let me explain that all my career is based on truths and will try to show you with links just for you to be at peace with me. That you dont like my coaching in India is fine, i dont like Mourinho one bit but do respect him. So indifferences in opinion are fine but not making it personal like your following statement:

"I don't care if this affects your future jobs, personally I have my own opinions about the job you did while in India but overall, this page is based on the sources we have and nothing more. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 05:59, 26 November 2015 (UTC)”

The above statement is a personal dislike of me and should not be a reason to change my wikipedia page and influence my career some how. I will try to find as many possible proof and links but if you want i show you pictures of each team i worked at. Links are not always possible as they are in arabic and i dont read arabic.

1)1990-2002 VVV-Venlo: Youth Coach, TD Youth, ass. Coach and 4 games Interim head coach.

          1995-196 http://www.venlonaren.net/statistieken-vvv-venlo/trainers-vvv-venlo/ 

2002-2003 Al Jazira club U.18 Coach and ass. first team Jan verselijen https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nederlanders_in_het_Emiraatse_voetbal 2003-2004 Al Ettifaq club. Ass. Coach and head coach olympic team.

1. An interview with Dutch football magazine while i was in Saudi Arabia with Al Ettifaq

http://www.devoetbaltrainer.nl/teaser/dromen-over-het-ware-voetbal…/

1. an article with a reporter about arabic music mentioning my former employment at Al Ettifaq

http://www.arabnews.com/node/297455

1. This is when i only went back to Al ettifaq for the 3rd time to help them out for 1 month . did not even mention that in my CV.

http://www.elfvoetbal.nl/nieuws/28227_schattorie-terug-bij-ettifaq

2004-2005 AL Shaab club ass. coach Jan Verslijen: http://www.wikiwand.com/nl/Nederlanders_in_het_Emiraatse_voetbal 2005-2006 Al Ettifaq Ass. coach Jan Verslijen en head coach Olympic team. 2006-2007 Muscat Club: TD Youth. No links in English. This is youth department and you will not find in the Omani news. 2007-2008 Al Riffa Head coach: http://www.icloud-library.com/articles/Bahrain_Riffa_Club (scroll down to notable managers) 2008-2009 could not find any english links. 2009-2010 Fanja club. Head coach http://www.worldcoachs.com/index.php?start=7000 (scroll down and find under Oman my appointment.) 2010-2011 AL Khaleej http://www.worldcoachs.com/world-news/3040-saudi.html https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Saudi.jpg 2011-2012 Red Bull Salzburg (Ghana) Head coach first team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull_Ghana http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/sport/2014/02/fail-voetbalclub-red-bull-ghana http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/red-bull-ghana/mitarbeiterhistorie/verein/28962 http://www.redbullsalzburg.at/magnoliaPublic/mediaObject/rbs/bilder/medien/stadionhefte/ausgabe64/original/ausgabe64.pdf 2012-2014 Prayag United: Head coach first team http://www.sportskeeda.com/football/prayag-united-unveil-eelco-schattorie-as-their-new-coach 2015 East Bengal Head coach first team. -http://www.ibnlive.com/footballnext/news/east-bengal-new-coach-eelco-schattorie-ready-for-tough-challenge-968339.html

My opinions

Hey, first off, thank you very much for getting back to me. Secondly, yes, I did not word what I wanted to say the best I could and yes, it sounds like I dislike you but I don't... I don't know you personally but I do follow Indian football closely and have a lot of ties with officials within the AIFF and various I-League clubs and my statement was just in regards to what I thought was a job in India I felt could have been better with United and East Bengal... results wise. That is it, I do not let those affect how I edit pages though. The page for me needs to be factually 100% correct with sources coming from reliable places, like a newspaper. When I started to contribute to the page, sources for your past were very hard to come by and yes, that is cause a lot of it is in Arabic but even the Indian reports that detailed your past were hard to decipher with many saying you worked in the Middle East but they never were specific in what role you worked... assistant? head coach? coach? It just said you worked at these clubs.

As for the VVV-Venlo thing... the infobox (the box at the top right corner of your wikipedia page) lists only the clubs you played for and the clubs you were head coach of. The infobox does not list assistant roles or simple coaching roles. That is why I have it at 1996 cause the source I found said you were caretaker for four games in 1996 so on the infobox it will say just 1996 while if someone reads your page they will see that you worked there for longer as assistant and as a trainer. Where the other two caretaker games in cup tournaments and not league cause the Venlo website says 2 games only.

As I said in the other page, I have a source from the I-League that said you were head coach of a club in Bahrain and also worked at other clubs in the Middle-East and worked with Jan Versleijen. I will add that information in the right places on your page but that is all I can do. I have also looked at the links you have provided me and most of them shall work and I will add the relevant information. Please don't think my editing on your page is me trying to sabotage you, I am not doing that, I swear on god with that but I won't just allow unsourced information to be added without verification. I hope you can understand. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 01:17, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your reply and elaboration. In the middle east i worked from Al Riffa onwards every where as head coach. At VVV venlo i did 3 league games and 1 cup game. I worked there from 1990 till 2002 in all possible rolls. Am not trying to make myself look better, but at the same time i dont want to come across as incomplete because there are not enough links available and you need it to be 100% based on info from internet links. I hope we can help each other without making it a circus act :-) Any way thank you for your time and hope you can help me to make it as perfect as possible within the goals of wikipedia policy. Regarding India i suggest you talk to some players that worked with me to shine a light on my work. At United i get nothing else then compliments and we won a cup. East Bengal was a wrong choice at the wrong moment. The club had no president who was in jail and i came in the middle of the season with a vey dense program with an unfit team. Any way i have no issue about not being happy with results or indiference about coaching approach. There are as many good as bad reviews when your a coach. Again thank you for your effort and wish you all the best in your future endeavours and please if i can ever help you with football related issues dont hesitate to contact me.

Please I also worked at Muscat club as a Head coach. I would appreciate it if you would add that even if you can not find english links 2008-2009.

Ya, you did not exactly enter the best situation ever with East Bengal earlier this year and Armando Colaco did not exactly leave you the best team in the world so I can understand haha. As for the page, I have added the Al-Riffa thing and will add the VVV-Venlo information... I don't think you are trying to look better but simply just make sure your page is 100% factual. I have had footballers in the past contact me about that and I do know the page does have some influence in their future prospects, so I am willing to help anyway I can. BTW, would you say this is accurate? If it is then this page would work. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 14:11, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

The Page you provided is accurate in order of the clubs i coached, but the dates are not completely right but you get that when you join teams at mid season or when you get fired. Please use it and make a nice update. Your help is highly appreciated my friend. Thanks again.

Hm, perhaps you have a facebook page or email I can contact you on and we can discuss the factual nature of your article. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 22:50, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I would highly appreciate this. I was out for 2 days so that why i responded late. please contact me at eelcoschattorie@gmail.com Many thanks :-)