User talk:ElijahBosley/Archive 1

Welcome

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Thank you Dottydotdot for your kind welcome. I've actually done some editing over the past few weeks but I am very much a newbie to article creation. Created my first earlier this afternoon: John I. Yellott, a solar scientist. Still much to be done, but--I would be grateful to know why the Wikipedia search engine is unable to find a page titled John I. Yellott with just the word "Yellott" as the search term? Readers have to type the full name, including the pesky period after his middle initial, to find it.ElijahBosley (talk) 19:33, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing

Hi. I appreciate that you want to add the quote from Henry Abraham to the Paul Newman article, but there are some problems with it. Perhaps it would help if you took a moment to read WP:CITE, WP:RS and WP:V about citations for content, what are reliable sources and verifiability. It's not that I doubt Abraham made that statement about Newman, but at present, it is not sourced and thus is not verifiable. We can't use content in other Wikipedia articles as sourcing for another. This is especially true when the other Wikipedia article has no citation for the quote either. In effect, the statement in the Abraham article is just a repeat of the statement in the Newman article with no source for either. If you have the work from where you got the quote and aren't quite sure how to format the reference, let me know and I'll be glad to help you. Meanwhile, the quote can't stay without a source for it. Thanks for your interest. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:21, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Yoo

I gave an explanation in my edit-summary.

• First, http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/498/t/3535/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=1458 is not a reliable source for a BLP. (Too, anybody can file a complaint with a bar association, and politically motivated ones like this one are usually ignored, but that's a WEIGHT and NPOV issue we can address if the OR and RS problems are ever resolved.)
• Second, extensive quote-mining from a primary-source OPR report that was rejected by the deputy attorney general violates NOR and BLP.
• Third, the last two sentences were violations of NOR, CRYSTAL, and SYN.
• The entire two paragraphs were essentially OR; there wasn't a single secondary source cited.

I don't think this was a close call, or I wouldn't have used rollback. If you wish to discuss further, feel free to copy this to Talk:John Yoo and respond there.THF (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks--as requested I responded on Talk:John Yoo page. ElijahBosley (talk) 15:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar thanks!

Thank you. Much appreciated! – ukexpat (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:MullerWaterboard.jpg

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Thanks for the heads up. Fixed it (I hope). Left a msg. on your talk page expressing my gratitude. ElijahBosley (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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--Sometimes ==

Sometime I do good. Sometimes, not.

Thanks

EoGuy (talk) 16:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		I hereby award this Barnstar to ElijahBosley for his unshakable good humor in the face of opposition, as exemplified by this comment. Keep up the good work, and keep your spirits up! Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:33, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Ha! My very first barnstar. I shouldn't be as pleased as I am but I really am tickled, so thanks Nutiketaiel.ElijahBosley (talk) 15:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey, you deserve it. Alot of people find it tough to keep up that kind of good humor in the face of adversity. I feel that you're a good example to other editors. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:16, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Torture memos

Thanks for your assistance with the memos. Yeah, it's just a sandbox thing. Although it is certainly prolix, I first wanted to give a fair summary of all the relevant parts of the memo. As far as I know, if I cut anything out of the summary, I would be skipping over entire sections or vital elements of the memo. That is, it is possible that the summary is long because the memo is long (way too long). I hadn't given up on it, just had real-life get in the way for awhile. I've been wanting to finish this for awhile, but might still have to wait a few weeks to finally get back to it. I hope that the content wont be posted until I can edit it, but thank you so much for your help. Zoticogrillo (talk) 16:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:MullerWaterboard.jpg

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Fixed it with addition tof link to NBC Miami.com terms of service.ElijahBosley (talk) 17:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but the website's terms of service says nothing about its content being released under a Creative Commons license. On the contrary, it states: You may not modify, copy, reproduce, republish, upload, post, transmit, publicly display, prepare derivative works based on, or distribute in any way any material from the Service, including but not limited to code and software ("Material"). — ξ^xplicit 20:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

On examination I think you are right. The provision "To the extent NBC Local Media makes Materials available via a player or widget or other functionality that may be embedded or featured on your own site or profile, you agree to feature the Materials as provided and not strip or alter any of the encoding or remove the Materials from the player or widget" does not sufficiently address the question of using on a website a still taken from a video. The Huffington Post had reproduced the news video itself (with credit to NBCMiami), but whether using on Wikipedia a still taken from that news video would fall in the same fair use category is certainly unclear enough that I feel a request for permission from NBCMiami would be prudent, and I will see about obtaining one. We should leave the image posted on Commons as is for now, so I can refer to the Wikipedia article in the request for permission and they can review it in situ. I have just e-mailed NBCMiami.com's public relations department the following:

Dear Sirs:

I write to ask permission to use a still image captured from one of your news videos to illustrate a Wikipedia article. The article and the image are here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bybee_Memo

The news video had been previously linked on the Huffington Post, with credit to NBCMiami; as you see we would propose to use the same credit line in the Wikipedia article unless you wish it worded differently.

The NBCMiami.com "Terms of Service" statement is equivocal on whether a video capture from your site's archive, with credit, would be permitted use on a Wikipedia webpage, and we feel prudence would dictate obtaining an e-mail permission.

With thanks for attending to my inquiry--

[editing Wikipedia as Elijah Bosley]

I'll post here and on the Commons Image page any response. ElijahBosley (talk) 21:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

proposed deletion of torture memo articles

Per our discussions on the Torture memos article, I have made changes to the article and added separate articles for each "memo," and the small battles have already begun. The articles Letter from John Yoo to Alberto Gonzales Standards of Conduct for Interrogation under 18 U.S.C. sections 2340-2340A and Interrogation of al Qaeda Operative have been proposed for deletion. Your contributions to that discussion are much appreciated (and needed). Zoticogrillo (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your excellent, and hard work Zoticogrillo. I've been away from my 'puter for a while and expect to be going away again, so I can't stay on top of the editing. I've also gotten a little demoralized about Wikipedia. I have no problem with the back-and-forth on controversial topics. What rankles me is nincompoops screwing up perfectly good articles. I took some time to write and document a history article, on a dull and safe topic. Somebody semi-literate re-wrote it to suit their grade school level stylistic taste. Added nothing substantive; just rewrote it. The result is hideous prose, at times twisting into foggy incomprehensibility or outright lies what was carefully balanced neutrality. Many footnotes no longer support the linked text, much text no longer links to footnotes, and the general mess seems virtually impossible to clean up since it as a series of phrase-by-phrase edits and I can never tell which ones to revert. Even if I did clean it up, perhaps some elementary school student might take it into his head to edit what the middle school student already edited. That bought forcefully to my attention that there is not and can never be quality control on Wikipedia. Print at least stays put. So I am rethinking the time I put into Wikipedia edits. I'll have a look at Torture Memos for old times' sake.ElijahBosley (talk) 16:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:MullerWaterboard.jpg

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