User talk:Elura

Welcome[edit]

Hello, Elura, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your editsto the page Will Hubbell, Author and Illustrator have not conformed to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and may be removed if they have not yet been. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media. Always remember to provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles. As well, all new biographies of living people must contain at least one reliable source.

If you are stuck and looking for help, please see the guide for citing sources or come to the new contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few other good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Wikipelli ^Talk 15:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Help with citations[edit]

Hi Elura... I put the original tag on your page suggesting that it needed inline citations. Two of the basic requirements of Wikipedia articles are Verifiability and Notability of the subjects of acticles - particularly when it comes to biographies of living people. Generally, for each factual statement that appears in your article, there should be a corresponding citation. If you look at your article, I have put one inline citation in the first sentence. It states that he is an author of children's books. On the web, I found a page that supports that and cited it. You'll see the (1) after the sentence that links to the reference at the bottom of the page.

The links in my original message to you (above this) give pretty good guidance on using inline citations. Take advantage of those links to help pages! :) If you need any more help, don't hesitate to let me know! Wikipelli ^Talk 16:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You might also consider putting in bibliographic information with the titles of the books. I've put the publisher and ISBN number for one of them. Note that wikipedia can automatically interpret the ISBN number and link it to other resources. :) Pretty cool! Wikipelli ^Talk 16:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How references work[edit]

Simple references[edit]

These require two parts;

a)

Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>

He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>

b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";

== References ==
{{reflist}}

(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)

To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Elura/reftest and try it out.

Named references[edit]

Chzz was born in 1837. <ref name=MyBook>
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
</ref> 

Chzz lives in Footown.<ref name=MyBook/>

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates[edit]

You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation
 | last = Smith
 | first = John
 | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
 | publication-date = 2001
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}
</ref>

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

Chzz ► 18:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It will not let me make any edits to the references section; they just no longer appear on any edit screen, so I don't know what to do.

You cannot edit your references by editing the Reference section of the article. The references are in the body of the article and must be edited there. They are then put in the reference section automatically. Wikipelli ^Talk 19:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Correction. In the Hubbell article the references are automatically added to the Notes section. Wikipelli ^Talk

If you know how to correct any errors there, please do; what you did apparently moved #1 to the top section and created a #3 instead in the reference section. I think there are sufficient reference notes-BUT- I cannot put them in the reference section, they go in notes.

Cleanup[edit]

Hi... I made some changes. Mostly I fixed up the references and took out the 'Notes' section. I also changed the list of works to a definition list. I thought it made it look better but you're free to change it back if you wish. Wikipelli ^Talk 04:18, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You-it is excellent! I wish I knew how you were able to edit the references section...:-)

The main thing to remember is that the actual references are in the article itself. The explanation above is good (and much better than I could give!). When you wish to cite a source, you include the reference information in the article itself (that's what's meant by 'in-line' citation) using the '''<ref>article, title, author, etc</ref>''' tag. Follow the format for the citation as given above. Then, the references will automatically be collected and appear in the References section. You NEVER have to edit anything in the References section itself. The only thing that will appear there (when you're editing the page) is the template '''{{reflist}}'''.

Just another word of advice. The article, as it stands now, does not have many 3rd party references. There is always the possibility that the author will be judged to be 'not notable' by another editor. Notibility (worthiness, if you will, to be included in Wikipedia) depends on whether they have been, " the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." (see WP:BASIC). I would urge you to search for newspaper articles about this author, journal articles, and anything else that would support the article. Good luck! :) Wikipelli ^Talk 14:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]