User talk:Faredoka

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Thanks for message. You are aware that things can be promotional even if there is no commercial aspect. If I say "Indonesia is the best country in the world", that's promotional.

First, If you have a conflict of interest regarding this site, you must disclose the nature of that COI. Also read the following regarding writing an article:

• you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the organisation or company, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, logs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the company or organisation claims or interviewing its management. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls

• Much of the text is unreferenced, and the two refs that I can access are WorldCat, never acceptable (who writes the text?), and an 11-year-old review based on an interview with a site coordinator, we need independent third-party sources

• The web notability guidelines have five components that must be evaluated separately and independently to determine if it is met:

1. significant coverage in
2. independent,
3. multiple,
4. reliable,
5. secondary sources.

Note that an individual source must meet all four criteria to be counted towards notability. Your text tells us about what the site hosts, but there is no sourcing to independent third party coverage, so hard to show notability

• You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.

• The text is clearly promotional SuttaCentral is unique... This is an extensively proofed and corrected version... is the natural starting point in navigating around this vast mass of textual material... For those wishing to explore original Buddhist literature, the way through the complexities of the various collections has now been made infinitely easier. Apart from anything else, whether the site is good or bad isn't a criterion for notability, and it just looks spammy having these unsourced or improperly sourced claims

• There shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
• You must not copy text from elsewhere. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial; text is considered to be copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.

• Although the lengthy WorldCat quote is attributed, I think it's at least arguable that the copied text is being used inappropriately, but I'll let that go

Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak: It's also worth noting that the version that was just deleted in 2024 is an exact copy of the January 2016 version that was deleted via Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SuttaCentral (minus the tags, infobox, and a single sentence at the end of the 2016 version). - Aoidh (talk) 15:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Aoidh, thanks for that, the 2015 version isn't much different either. Faredoka, how do you explain that your text so closely resembles that of blocked user Terabar? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks for pointing these points! Very helpful. About the resemblance, I was just restoring the old version (from the archive url). Btw, you can also do a Wikipedia search for "SuttaCentral" to see how it is used as many references here. Again, my intention was not to promote the site at all. Cheers. Faredoka (talk) 12:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)