User talk:Fightloungemike

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March 2012

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Paul Daley, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. TreyGeek (talk) 00:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Nationality at OMMAC articles

I see that these articles splitting the UK nationalities into England and Northern Ireland. Is there a reason for this? The official website only says British (see here). Wikipedia normally shows Nationality based on the sporting body so as an example Eddie Irvine is British (as per F1) were as Rory McIlroy is Northern Irish (as per Golf). So unless you can provide a reliable source for this it will be changed to British. Bjmullan (talk) 20:59, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of OMMAC 1 for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article OMMAC 1 is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OMMAC 1 until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. TreyGeek (talk) 01:16, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

FYI, all eight OMMAC event articles have been nominated for deletion and are combined into the discussion linked to above. --TreyGeek (talk) 01:21, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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OMMAC AfD vote

Hello Fightloungemike, I have voted on the discussion page as well and have seen your comment, as a Wikipedian you can cast your own vote on the page as well, all you need to is type this first - Keep (which considering your comment I can only imagine you want to keep it) and state your reason for keeping. Now as you can see people in this discussion are using Wikipedia Policies to state their reasons as to why it should/n't remain on here. Now I personally say read both these policies I think matches best with a Keep vote for this particular case, WP:GNG and WP:EVENT. also don't forget to add the four ~ at the end of your vote so everyone knows who voted. Good luck BigzMMA (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Watch the personal attacks, please

Calling others morons, on a power trip, stupid, this, power mad, and whatever caused one of your edits to be oversighted are very inappropriate, and you need to stop doing that. Not only has bobody else has been leveling any such similar attacks against you, but attacking others is also against our policy that prohibits personal attacks. Regards, --MuZemike 11:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you

Hello Mike, I would like to say that when it comes to MMA events, I completely agree that as long as there are enough articles on each event it should remain on Wikipedia. Now this has been an issue on here for some time now, with no clear cut answer on the horizon, so that is why we must all come to some answer for it now. I am going to start a debate on this very soon on WT:MMA, so if you want to add it to your watchlist, just wait till I start the debate and put in your opinion on the subject when your ready. Events from promotions ranging from the UFC, PRIDE and Bellator to BAMMA, SFL, Strikeforce and many other notable promotions have been nominated in the past and events now as you seen. Also put these pages in your watchlist as well and keep your eye out for MMA Promotions and Events being nominated to help keep these pages on here Category:AfD debates (Games or sports), WT:MMANOT, Category:AfD debates, Talk:Mixed martial arts, Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts#Article Alerts and ofcourse WT:MMA (you may be wondering why there are two comers in the middle, I just looked over the page, and they are at the bottom of your page where it says Category). — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigzMMA (talk • contribs) 10:23, 15 March 2012‎ (UTC)

AN/I notice

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• Oh no...please don't say that - my life just won't be the same and this will be a catalyst for my impending suicide in a months time. Can you live with that on your conscience? Or will the visit of the ghost of Christmas yet to come help you change your ways. --Fightloungemike (talk) 17:58, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Your personal attacks at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OMMAC 1 and now at WP:ANI are unacceptable. "Worms"? We're not on a high school playground here. Please refrain. Drmies (talk) 18:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• As I stated before, I will no longer say "nasty" things regarding the editors. But I believe they are using underhand tactics to delete my pages. I understand that the majority of you do good things for wikipedia and are busy deleting fabrication and vandalism but my articles don't fall under either and are important to mixed martial arts in the UK and beyond. The editors are making out that all voters of Keep are canvassed and putting "hardly voted or new" next to the names to sway the judgement of others. How do I know they haven't sent each other messages asking for delete votes? As far as I can see, they are not making it fair for people like me to add warranted articles to this website, one that I have loved for many years--Fightloungemike (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

But I believe they are using underhand tactics to delete my pages - Will you PLEASE STOP THIS. Bjmullan (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

• So I'm now not allowed to say if I think people are voting wrong? Is it a policy of people making pages just to bend over and take it? I'm sorry, but you are acting like the warden on The Shawshank Redemption and I'm Andy Dufresne - alerting people of what you are doing. It's unfair, the pen is mightier than the sword, and as journalist for a website and a magazine that sell around the world, my pen is massive!--Fightloungemike (talk) 19:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Bjmullan, if "underhand tactics" is the worst of it, then I think we can stomach that. Mike, you don't seem to understand that there is no "my pages" here--look at the edit screen before you click "Save page". You sign your rights away when you click that button. Yes, you may say that certain opinions are wrong, but you can't make personal insults. No, you're not Andy Dufresne--this is just a website, and no one put you in jail. Your pen is, no doubt, massive, but Wikipedia is a medium written not by any man's (or woman's) phallus, but by the cooperative digital effort of nameless, faceless people who may share only one thing: a dedication to the project and thus a subscription to its guidelines. MMA has rules and so do we. I can't bring a gun to a cage fight, you can't bring a belligerent attitude larded with "worm" insults to the discussion here. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:18, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Then why does wikipedia have many people making it unfair for others. If I was a part of the editing team, I wouldn't feel it fair for me to vote on the availability of a page for cars as I know very very little about them. But people are voting non-notable event on OMMAC pages when, in MMA, it is very notable. That does not seem fair does it? --Fightloungemike (talk) 20:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
  • To cut a long story short, Wikipedia's deletion discussions also depend on editors being able to judge whether sources are reliable or not. Those articles you wrote aren't judged solely on content, but probably more on how they are supported. I don't want to summarize the policy and guidelines--see WP:RS for an overview. I don't know much about fighting (MMA makes me claustrophobic--I'd tap out immediately if I couldn't breathe) but I do know something about the press and the publishing industry. Besides, not being involved with something (which isn't the same as being ignorant) can be quite helpful since it may make one more neutral. BTW, you are part of the editing team, like it or not... Happy days, Drmies (talk) 20:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Why can't all the editors be more like you? I like you, you seem to be a cool guy/girl. I hope they can see that the articles in question are worthy of being on here and if so, I hope to help a lot more with the site with edits, vandalism, new pages etc--Fightloungemike (talk) 20:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
• Uh, unless you can come up for a good argument for why the page is notable (not just saying it is), I don't think they would believe you. Thekillerpenguin (talk) 01:31, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
• Uh, I already have shown why it was notable, people like yourself prefer to not acknowledge the points I made though and want to see others fail--Fightloungemike (talk) 10:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Ravenswing 16:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• I have started a topic on WP:ANI for unacceptable behaviour and lying about a fellow editor--Fightloungemike (talk) 16:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

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Final final warning

You have several "this is your last warning" notices on this page. In arguing against these notices, here and elsewhere, you've repeatedly called people liars in one form or another. That's enough to block you - it's just not acceptable behavior - but so far nobody has done so. Please - for your own sake and to avoid further drama - let me be clear: name-calling and accusations without diffs are uncivil behavior and will get you blocked. Please don't tell me about what someone else did, or that you have an excuse for your bad behavior...please just stop it immediately so there is no need to block you. We are assuming good faith here (read WP:AGF) in not blocking you, but enough is enough.

Also, on the matter of deletion discussions, they almost always run for seven days, so please stop expecting the discussion to close because you think you've met some criteria. When the discussion is over, an administrator will read it over and take appropriate action.

If you have any questions, let me know. I can't promise nobody else will block you for the entries you've made right here on this page, but hopefully you can calm down before you are blocked for disrupting the project.  Frank  |  talk  18:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

So, in wikipedia people can lie about you and you have to take it?--Fightloungemike (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Show evidence that someone has lied and we can have a civil discourse about it. Call anyone a liar again without providing WP:DIFFs showing why something is untrue, and I will block you (if someone else doesn't do it first).  Frank  |  talk  18:42, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

how do I place a diff?--Fightloungemike (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

See WP:DIFF (which I linked above already) for details.  Frank  |  talk  18:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• here. Replacing the words of I'm a fucker![1]
• Frank, I know what he's talking about, I'll find a diff in a second. Mike, if you don't dial back the hysteria right now, I'm going to block you myself, and not bother looking into it any further. Stop it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:53, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  diff: [2]. I don't think FLM actually said that anywhere, I've asked Ravenswing about it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC) addendum: I mean, i think I remember seeing him saying the worm part, but the "I'm a fucker" on the user page thing, I'm not seeing it anywhere. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

There is one oversighted edit made by FLM that none of the three of us can see: (del/undel) 13:53, 11 March 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+178)‎ . . User talk:TreyGeek, for whatever that is worth.  Frank  |  talk  19:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

FYI, the oversighted edits on my talk page were due to WP:OUTING and not due to edits of "I'm a fucker". --TreyGeek (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Trey. BJmullan outed me and it was edited by admin--Fightloungemike (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the edit they are referring to above is the edit in which you attempted to out me. Yes, there was another oversighted edit due to BJ's attempted outing of you. --TreyGeek (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

(e/c) That isn't quite right; the edit in question appears to be something you added to TreyGeek's page that was oversighted. Bjmullan's edit was four days later. We can probably all agree the oversighted/revdel'd/outing edits are a side issue now. I think we really just need to wait until Ravenswing returns and answers my question. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok thats fine. The edit would have been nothing of importance. and definitely not swearing of any kind.--Fightloungemike (talk) 20:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Ahh yes, sorry it was me calling Trey by his real name when I wasn't aware it was wrong.something I apologised for immediately.--Fightloungemike (talk) 20:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• I have not done any edit or edited someones user page calling them fuckers..never mind doing it numerous times as ravenswing stated.
• There is no hysteria from me. I'm quite laid-back right now--Fightloungemike (talk) 18:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  I hope that isn't true, because you cannot keep acting like this if you wish to stay here. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• It is true. If you are on the case then I will let you do your work and get the truth. You won't here any thing bad from me again nor any complaints. I will keep myself to myself and help out on the site in a good manner--Fightloungemike (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Mail from Pesky!

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Hi there!

Here's a huge long spiel of WP:TLDR stuff for you! (I warned you I talk a lot, yes?)

Tips on article writing

First of all, it may be best for you to do a bit of reading, starting with the Wikipedia manual of style, which will give you a lot of information about how Wikipedia prefers its articles to be written. It's not as hard to follow as it might look; quite a bit of the information there probably won't be vital for you at first.

Second, I recommend you make a user sandbox - which is just an area you can use to practise in, and to make notes in, and to get things ready in. If you click this red link: user:Fightloungemike/Sandbox, that will let you create that page (it gives you an edit window to start work in). Anything, anywhere, on the help and information pages which gives you an example, try it out in your sandbox until you're familiar with it.

For your article, the next thing you want to do is start collecting as much information as you can about it. Google searches (particularly in Books and Scholar) will be your best friend for this! Once you've found the information, the next most important thing is to start writing up each fact in your own words (very important, this), and make a note at the same time of exactly where that information came from. Build in the references as you go along; I'm going to copy in, down below this, a whole heap of help on doing references, which was produced by one of our best teachers (Chzz).

Here's another place that you'll find incredibly useful - citation templates which you can copy and paste into your sandbox, between <ref></ref> tags; you just fill in the blanks from your sources into the template, and you'll end up with nicely formatted inline citations :o) It all helps. Remember to add a references section to your sandbox (make a new line, and put ==References== on it, and type {{reflist}} on the next line, so that you can see how your citations look as you do them. Remember to save your page often! You don't want to lose your work.

Hopefully this will give you a good start and make life easier for you.

One last thing to keep as a motto: "It's better to write one good, well-referenced, nicely-presented article than it is to create fifty unreferenced one-line stubs!"

Tips on referencing

(These come from another of my hand-picked mentors, who's currently on a WikiBreak) There are lots of ways to do this, some are simple, some more complex.

Personally, I like using citation templates, and fill in as much as I possibly can; maybe a bit more work, but I think it looks better. You have a <REF> at the start, then a suitable cite tag, then </REF>. An example usage is;

<ref>
{{Citation
 | last = Preston
 | first = Peter
 | title = D. H. Lawrence in the modern world
 | last2 = Hoare
 | first2 = Peter
 | publication-date = 1989
 | place = [[Cambridge]], [England]
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
 | url = http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=J5nRoaOwkPMC&printsec=frontcover#PPA125,M1
 | accessdate = 2008-05-11
}}
</ref>

For all the possible things to include, see Template:Citation

Of course, you don't have to put everything in, just whatever you can. The above example is a book, but I've included a 'convenience link' to a website that displays it.

Then, at the end of the document (but before any 'category' tags), you need a references section. You just put,

== References ==

{{reflist}}

Hard work? - help is at hand. There are lots of tools that create cite tags automagically. Personally, I use Zotero for the web links, and the cite book generator for books.

I also recommend you look at other articles and copy from them - especially featured articles, which should have good refs.

Here's a little bit of magic which can save you an awful lot of time and effort!

You might want to consider using this tool - (tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/webreflinks.py) - it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete citation templates for your links. All you do is install the script on Special:MyPage/common.js, or Special:MyPage/vector.js, or Special:MyPage/monobook.js, and then paste the bare url (without [...] brackets) between your <ref></ref> tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you remember to save the page!) It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for pdf documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well all by itself. For those it can't do by itself, it gives you a pull-down (or up) menu of templates to choose from, which you can then fill in manually. Often the problem is "No title found" - sometimes the title is obvious (especially if it's a pdf), but, if not, just open the page yourself and choose something appropriate if there's not already a clear title there.

Rounding off

Once the dust has settled a bit, I have a couple of people in mind who could really help you out with article stuff, both excellent teachers, incredibly experienced, and happy to help genuinely-well-intentioned newbies. First is Montanabw, who helped me no end when I was an overly-passionate and underly-WikiEducated newbie. Heart of gold, massively intelligent, all that stuff. MTBW is a regular stalker on my talk page, so when you come over there, you'll probably get introduced. Second is Malleus Fatuorum, who is one of the most prolific excellent-content contributors that we have here, and knows pretty much everything there is to know about writing damned good articles. Malleus has a bit of a reputation for being an evil b*****d, but he's not, really. Again, heart of gold, has helped no end of newbies out, very, very intellismart; just doesn't suffer fools gladly. Or even at all, possibly! He can be a bit blunt (he's a northern Brit!), and he'll tell it how it is. You can learn huge amounts from these people. There are, of course masses of others, but these two come highly recommended from me.

Anyhoo, check your mail, wander over to my talk, read, enjoy, chill out a bit, and let's move on, yes? All the best, Pesky (talk) 06:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

An essay of mine for you to browse through :o)

Here.

Also, it's worth bearing in mind that (as I have in the header on the top of my talk page), if a group of researchers had been tasked to create a working / hobby environment specifically designed to attract high-functioning autistics, it's hard to see how they could have come up with anything better than Wikipedia! If anyone's curiosity is piqued by this idea, do this test! "normal" people score generally under 20, people with high-level math functions often score in the 20-30 range ... and remember, the autism spectrum isn't a threshold, it's a continuum. As with many things, high-functioning autism isn't a "disorder", it's a difference in thought-methods. We have quite a high proportion of A-spectrum people here in WikiLand, which can make interactions tricky. (I'm an HFA editor myself.)

If you imagine a room full of people, a third of whom are red-green colour-blind, a third of whom are blue-yellow colour-blind, and the remaining third can see only in monochrome, none of whom realise that there are things the others can't see, and getting annoyed and frustrated at the apparent arrogant and stubborn and obstructive stupidity of most of the rest ... there you have a close parallel. Autism-spectrum people can miss things which are blindingly obvious to a load of other people; non-autism spectrum completely lack the ability to see (with immense speed) non-obvious details which are overwhelmingly clear to the autism group, and the remaining third lag behind both groups and can't see what any of them are going on about, which means they must all be crazy ... I think the whole world is a bit like that. It's one of the biggest reasons why one shouldn't think of high-functioning autism as any kind of disability, it's just a huge difference in thought-processing. We can't help it, and the non-auties can't help not seeing what we can see so clearly, either. That's just the way we are.

Finally, personal attacks never, ever end up in something good. Never! It's a sure-fire way of making a situation escalate and getting into a lot of trouble (by which I mean probably blocked indefinitely in very short order)! Someone may very well be an idiot, but telling them so is neither going to increase their level of intelligence, nor improve your ability to communicate with them ;P All the best, Pesky (talk) 15:39, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SFL 1 (2nd nomination)

Because you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SFL 1, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SFL 1 (2nd nomination). BigzMMA (talk) 09:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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