User talk:Flcelloguy/Archive02

Admin

Hello, I've seen all the work you do with helping newbies, and I wanted to run this by you: would you accept if I nominated you for adminship? Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 19:29, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Done. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 19:48, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Adminship, and Mind Benders

Firstly, congratulations on being nominated for Adminship. I've seen your "good work" and I strongly supported the motion. Second, how do I answer the mind benders questions, exactly? Rob Church 17:45, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. Rob Church 17:51, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Aaargh! Me and my big edit-button. I tried to put a Barnstar on your user page, and I think I've broken the layout considerably. Sorry. Rob Church 18:06, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Awarded for his tireless contributions and his insistence that newbies should be given the chance to flourish.

Awarded by Rob Church 18:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks and eBay

Thanks for your answers, and yes, after I posted that I got a message by someone who pointed me towards some useful entries.

about the "eBay" thingie its not "_eBay" but " eBay", here try it  eBay and see that it leads to a page (inexistent) called " eBay" (with the space). Apparently either someone already deleted it, or maybe empty pages delete "themselves" after a while?

well, thanks a lot, anyways Lacrymology 02:50:30, 2005-08-04 (UTC)

there, I created the page just for you. I clicked in the link I had left up there to create it too. Go to it, and see that it actually lists " eBay" and not EBay, and that the latter still exists--Lacrymology 15:08:31, 2005-08-04 (UTC)

=) its very very hard to link to it, I don't think it is necessary. Just deleting it should be fine. Funny all the links you made in my talk page linked to the original EBay, that should prove how hard and worthless it is to make this  eBay eBay

sorry, I think I didn't make it very clear how to edit it.. you would have needed to edit where my link was to see it =). I still think It should not be necessary to make the redirect, but it doesn't hurt, obviously. --Lacrymology 15:23:37, 2005-08-04 (UTC)

Spelling

Hi. Is it FL cello guy or FI cello guy? Uncle Ed

Thanks for your support

Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. I was surprised and humbled by the number of positives votes. I'll be monitoring RfA regularly from now on and will look for a chance to "pay it forward". Cheers, --MarkSweep 01:38, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Your very own Admin Barn

Since it's pretty much been all but decided that you will be an admin, a title that you rightly deserve, you deserve an award that fits the large responsibilites that will go with taking on this new job. So I, Karmafist, instead of awarding you a mere barnstar, offer you an entire barn! Make your fellow wikipedians proud, if not for you, then for all subtropical string instrument enthusiasts :-) Karmafist 19:51, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Flcelloguy's Admin Barn!

Don't panic!

I accidentally gave you sysop rights 11 minutes early. Please do not go crazy and start deleting pages or blocking other users quite yet because it's not official until 1941 hours. (Keep checking the bottom of your user page :-)

And if you need any help or advice related to admin chores, do please drop me a line. Uncle Ed 19:34, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion to adminship, and good luck with that new mop! :) Cheers, Sango123 20:43, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Congrats on your Adminship. I voted neutral only because of your relatively short time as a registered user. But as I said, I have no doubts you'll make a fine Admin. Good luck with the mop! Regards, Redux 03:09, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I've got a vandal for you

217.137.164.5, i'm going to keep an eye on him. Just wanted to give you a heads upKarmafist 19:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations

I hear congratulations are in order. What's that? Your wife didn't tell you? Oh, dear...;-)

Well done on getting promoted. You're welcome. Rob Church 20:55, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Good luck. Dmn / Դմն 21:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Likewise congrats

on your RfA! Looking forward to continuing to work with you Schissel : bowl listen 21:35, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Daniel Pipes

Thank you, Flc, I appreciate it. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 21:38, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Congrats

Congratulations on your successful RfA. Sorry I didn't get around to voting for you (on a break for the past two weeks) but I think that you'll make a great administrator. Cheers, JYolkowski // talk 21:57, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Your RFA

Congratulations, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian (t) (c) 21:58, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well, and you're welcome. Jayjg ^(talk) 14:39, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

rename of {{delete}}}

• To make it clear, {{Delete}} would be left as a redirect. The only reason for the rename is so that ALL the speedy deletion templates can have names with the same prefix, so that they will group together in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. I am not trying to get rid of {{[[Template:delete} and it will still work exactly as before. it will just be a redirect to a name that matches all the other speedy deletion templates. Does that sound like the "same idea as before"? This was rquested by several admins working speedy patrol, so that all the deletion templates would group together, and my promise to do this was one factor in the recent decision to keep {{db-bio}}. That is the only reason for the proposed rename, it is not an attempt to do away with or deprecate {{delete}}. Does that clarify matters a bit? Please reconsider your comment on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Thank you. DES ^(talk) 23:12, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

You wrote Hello, DES. After review of the relevant discussion (I admit, I only scanned through it last time), I feel that this should undergo community debate first. I would recommend posting it on the Village Pump, and wait for replies at Template talk:Delete. We'll see what happens after a week or so. How's that sound? BTW, what are you proposing it be moved to? Template:Db-db? Thanks. Flcelloguy |delete} and it will still work exactly as before. it will just be a redirect to a name that matches all the other speedy deletion templates. Does that sound like the "same idea as before"? This was rquested by several admins working speedy patrol, so that all the deletion templates would group together, and my promise to do this was one factor in the recent decision to keep {{db-bio}}. That is the only reason for the proposed rename, it is not an attempt to do away with or deprecate {{delete}}. Does that clarify matters a bit? Please reconsider your comment on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Thank you. DES ^(talk) 23:12, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

You wrote Hello, DES. After review of the relevant discussion (I admit, I only scanned through it last time), I feel that this should undergo community debate first. I would recommend posting it on the Village Pump, and wait for replies at Template talk:Delete. We'll see what happens after a week or so. How's that sound? BTW, what are you proposing it be moved to? Template:Db-db? Thanks. Flcelloguy ]]}}, {{del}}, or {{delete}} whatever the new "real" name is.

Do you really think this needs the Village Pump treatment? A) no one who uses any of the redirects will be affected, or will even know it has happened unless they look closely. b) it can be undone at any time. I wiuld hav been bold and just done it yesterday if {{Delete}} hadn't been protected, or if I were an admin and could unprotect it. it was only protected due to vandalism, not becauae of an edit war or anything, and this can hardly be called vandalism. DES ^(talk) 14:58, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Rollback link

There are two places where you will find a rollback link:

1. The rollback link can be found on a user's contributions page, but only if that user was the last one to edit the page. For example, if you look at your own contributions there will be rollback link at the end of each line in which you were the last one to edit that page.
2. The rollback link also can be found on the Diff page when you are looking at the difference between the most recent version of a page and the last version. For example, if you look at the most recent diff on my user page, you will see the rollback link on the right side of the page under the "Current Version" link, and to the right of "Zzyzx11 (Talk | contribs)" .

Remember that you should only use the rollback tool to revert vandalism, because it automatically generates the "Reverted edits by X to last version by Y" comment in the edit summary. For any other edit, you should revert it normally so you can add a specific edit summary. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:05, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congratulations! And no problem with the support - you'll be a fine admin. If you've any queries, feel free to ask (though I can't guarantee I'll know the answers!) Grutness...wha? 00:32, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Bucket

I hereby award you thy holy mop upon emerging triumpant of your RfA. (Redwolf24 05:05, 9 August 2005 (UTC))

How you like it? :D Redwolf24 05:05, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

BunkyBoopy

No problem :) Actually, by the time I got there, I noticed one person had blocked him for 48 hours, and someone else had blocked him indefinitely... but I figured, eh, nothing wrong with piling on another one. ;) Giving a second chance was okay, and it proved that he's just a troll. Honestly, there's rarely any redemption for these folks. --Golbez 20:20, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Hello Celloman!

Lots of vandalism at "Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Ancient empires and their roles" the past couple hours. Can you keep an eye on it? Hamster Sandwich 21:21, 9 August 2005 (UTC) I forgot to congratulate you. So Congratulations! Hamster Sandwich 21:22, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Help

I need some help. I've been adding to an entry about Biff Rose. mostly I'm adding information that I've recieved about him, that is not positive. I think it is importnat to note this info, and not cover ovver it, as some of the sockpuppets for him have been doing.

I saw your listing and thought you might be able to look at the entry, review rose's websites, and lyrics, particularly Jimi Hendrix was a field hand, and some of his more anti semtic rants and help understand what I'm doing, and maybe explain it to the person called willmcw who attacks all new info added to the entry unless it comes from him, disavowing the # of revert rule.

thanks Steve espinola 22:41, 9 August 2005 (UTC)Steve

Biff Rose Protection

[note: the comments that follow refer to the situation on this page: [[1]] I regret that I have taken the bait and addressed certain accusations and behaviors here. If it makes any sense to move this entire section to the Biff Rose discussion page, I will understand and help if possible.

signed, Sojambi Pinola 05:36, 30 August 2005 (UTC)]

Thanks very much. Hopefully this matter will be put to rest in the next few days. I found your name on Meelar's page. you seemed to be someoen in relative control who was rational minded and impartial. Thanks agian. Steve espinola 23:50, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from me too. FYI, I believe that Steve espinola is using a large number of sock puppets for this article. Once I have figured out the proper procedures for handling them I'll move forward on it. This editor has been selectively deleting comments from his user page so you might want to see a full version of the page - it's all recent. [2]. Cheers, -Willmcw 00:04, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

My name is actually Steve Espinola, and I am a friend of the real Biff Rose. The guy posing as Steve Espinola and Biff Rose is neither, and is vandalizing the Biff Rose page. I think you froze it in a vandalized state. If you write me from my website, www.SteveEspinola.com, and include a phrase of your choosing, I will echo it back and prove my identity.

Sojambi Pinola 9 August 2005

My name is Esteban Espinola. I go by Steve. I wasn't aware of Biff Rose, or the mass amounts of trouble concerning hiim until I joined the site a few days ago. What I did notice is that willmcw seemed to revert any edit not done by him. I asked for your help, and you froze the connection. Which I think is fair. Now this other Steve Espinola, who doesn't go by that name, and accuses me of trying to pose as him, is contacting me and deleting info from my users page. I deleted otehr info, in response to that, as Meelar notified me that willmcw had blanked my user page, and then altered it in an unflattering manner. then the Sojambi Pinola also defaced my user page. I have an email address with earthlink- a pay site- that will prove I am who I say I am. But I think the real concern here is that these people are identifying themselves as friends of Biff Rose, and therefore are wittingly or unwittingly adding information that does not tel lthe whole tale of Rose's story.

I went ot Rose's website, and purchased some music, the price was right, and there had been such hubbub about him, that it seemed warranted. It turns out his history is an angry one, and that he has a penchant in his later works to write Anti semitic screeds as well as racist songs-check the Jimi Hendrix was a field hand on biffrose.biz.. some have countered that he is sending up racial stereotypes. I disagree, but have used the language to put it that his detractors disagree with such notions. I think that is a fair and honest way to put it. The lyrics themselves are quoted on the entry, though willmcw keeps removing them from the order they are in, in effect burying the later ones, in favor of the earlier ones he himself put up. I feel that this one sdied view is tremnedously self serving. Important note- Steveespinola.com mentions rose, and how close the two of them are, making Sojmabi Pinola a sock puppet of Rose. God, that's a lot to write. I'm not a sockpuppet, though I can see that there is some reason to suspect me. I've been a worthy addition to wikipedia, editing and copy editing articles in the clean up pile. It seems willmcw is pretty good as well, but has been unable to see that I'm merely presenting a dissenting view, which has as much basis in fact as his own view on Rose's past and present. Sojambi Pinola hasn't seemed to edit many other articles.

In summation, I think the cap on Rose makes sense until Willmcw can abide by the rules of the wiki- especially the revert rule, which he has seemed to flaunt with consistent disregard. I had thought originally that editors could do as they pleased with their own talk pages, and hence my own manipulations, trying to clean my slate, as it were. willmcw has continued to pursue me, on other articles and now I may have to request some sort of request for arbitration in regards to him, and the flagrant abuse of wikipedia quorums for his own amusement. I think he's been involved in a few RfC's one at least that I know of, after being contacted by one of the people willmcw has abused in the past. I've contacted other people, with the hopes that noting my own troubles with willmcw, and in fact the person claiming to be Steve Espinola, who goes by Sojambie Pinola, will go back to editing, and stop attempting to sabotage some real information that I very easily obtained from Biff Rose's own websites. Ok. Enough. I'm tired of the whole process, I simply don't like being falsely accused of being someone I'm not. I kn ow the circumstances are strange, but the strange thing for me, is not that my name is being doubted, but that someone didn't use the name they accuse me of imitating and yet still say that I am imitating them, while I simply joined under the americanized version of my name. Hopefully this will be the end of it. I've notified a few other adminiistrators to try and spread this entirely and am even now planning on running as an administrator myself because of this, I think there needs to be an advocate against the more mercurial of these type of online persecutions. The more adminstrators that are aware of the situation, the more that will have to attest to the wrongdoings that have come up, and I feel I will be exonerated as merely another newbie contributing good solid factual information to the website.Steve espinola 05:07, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Your first lesson as an admin: no good deed goes unpunished. ;) Cheers -Willmcw 09:24, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

• [info] I believe the main issue at hand is that this user's first real post was claiming to be some one another person who is more heavily involved in the background of the Biff Rose article. This user proceeds to, apparently, vandalize the Biff Rose page (using *very* POV statements and deleting vast portions of it, repeatedly). That was when willmcw got involved. He noticed upon analyzing Espinola's contribution list that he had systemmically gone through the list of archived articles needing to be cleaned and just started adding a word here, removing paragraphs there and ceremoniously stripping the cleanup tags even when articles were a mess. He would then repeatedly strip them whenever some one would come back and change them, and thus he got into edit wars with on several more actively monitored articles. Pretty good for a 5 day old account :o — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 15:58, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

There is a difference between between a fan/friend/biographer of someone and being their "Sockpuppet". User:Willmcw's use of the word implies that it means someone is using several different identities to hide that the work is all theirs. That is what this fake "Steve Espinola" is doing, and accusing others of precisely the thing he is doing. I, on the other hand, actually use the name "Steve Espinola" in my day to day life, and have prepared a discography of Biff Rose's released and unreleased recordings. That's what makes this other user's choice of that name troubling and suspicious...there are NOT two "Steve Espinolas" associated with Biff. The name "Sojambi Pinola" is a pen name I picked when I created my one Wikipedia account. The real Biff Rose, by the way, has not contributed any revisions to Wikipedia at all, as far as I know. You froze the Biff Rose page in a vandalized state.

Biff is certainly a button pusher and pot-stirrer, and he plays with difficult material. It is EASY to make him look bad by using his words, but it is not necessarily "accurate." Earlier versions of the user's revisions (under other screen names) made flat-out-libelous statements, claiming felonies. I reverted the Biff Rose page several times to remove this person's destructive edits, under his various names. "Willmcw", who was not even familiar with Biff but recognized the vandalism, did the same. He is obviously someone who has contributed intelligently to Wikipedia for quite a while, while the user calling himself "Steve Espinola" has not. We are not "sock puppets," and a simple checking of who-did-what-edit will make that clear. There is a clear and consistent pattern of writing and destructive intent to all this person's identities. thank you. Sojambi Pinola 19:05, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Calling Biff Rose a button pusher is like referring to a lynch mob as a quiet protest. His words on hiw website equate Jimi Hendrix to a cotton picking' niggah'- Ros'es words not my own. I think that speaks volumes toward his sentiments in regards to African Americans. I don't htink a consensus has quite been reached and would be appreciative if you would keep the site forzen until Pinola and Willmcw agree about the angry volatile nature of Rose's early work

[<--the above was left, unsigned, by Jonah Ayers 01:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC) in another part of your board.]

I think the real issue is whether Jonah Ayers will work in a respectful, consensus-oriented communicative manner with other writers. So far, not so bad today, ON the "temp" page. But statements like this concern me. The above should have been left on the Biff Rose discussion page where it can be debated; not here.Sojambi Pinola 06:35, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually it seems to me that the reason the page was frozen was not only were some people, though not me, writing intolerably untrue things about Rose, but also because his own friends were negating the fact that rose has an issue with calling african americans 'niggers' in his lyrics and Jewish people 'kikes'. This isn't about criticism, its right there in the lyrics, on the cd you have and I have and willmcw has never heard. So if our admin here who forze the list until there was some agreement can stand to keep it frozen while you try and explain for the umpteenth time why Rose is allowed to refer to Hendrix and other african americans as 'niggers' and to call jewish americans 'kikes' and that then will not be represented as a 'good thing' then we will have reached an agreement. I think Willmcw has been asked not to unfreeze the page himself as he is too close to the subject now. Thanks Flcelloguy for keeping an eye on this page. Jonah Ayers 22:13, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I hung out with Biff for 2 years in '86-87, when he lived above Durty Nellies West Irish Pub in Palatine, Illinois. Last I heard, he was up on charges for manslaughter. Googie.

[left, unsigned, by User:69.210.64.99 07:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)]

"Jonah," evidence suggests that _you_ were/are the one writing the "intolerably untrue things about Rose." The above unsigned manslaughter comment follows that pattern. Evidence also suggests that it was _you_ who created a username, "Steve espinola," that bears a strangely identical nature to my birthname. I can make a pretty good circumstantial-evidence case for this based on similarities in the behavior, comments, claims, language styles, and login times of the various user names, including your current one. But it is probably unnecessary: I'd be amazed if you are fooling anyone, even given comments you've left on this page under two usernames.

The issues you've brought up on Rose's work may deserve intelligent debate, but that is not what you are offering in your statements on the subject in the Biff Rose entry. They are POV thinly disguised as fact. From my understanding of Wikipedia, this is not really the correct forum to get into original critical discussion on what Biff "really means" in his lyrics. ("Is he ironic or does he mean it?" for example.) That is why your comments on the issue keep getting revised or deleted. Again, you should be bringing this whole topic up on the Biff discussion page, not on Flcelloguy's page. I'm even sorry to be debating you on this page.

You are simply finding more subtle ways of making trouble: For example, you just removed my accurate attribution of your unsigned comments left on this page when you were logged in as user "Jonah Ayers." I just put it back. Here's the proof that they were your comments: [[3]]

Here's where I moved them to the "Biff Rose Protection" section of this page and accurately attributed them to you:[[4]]

And here's proof that you removed that attribution: [[5]]

You are still making a lot of work for people who have better things to do. "Jonah Ayers," if it were up to me you would be blocked from Wikipedia. Sojambi Pinola 03:15, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

You will notice that the section which follows, "Cleanup protection etc.." (which I have moved up from further down Flcelloguy's page), addresses the same topic we are discussing here. The writing is suspiciously similar to that of several of the blocked sockpuppets involved in this case. it was left, unsigned, by 216.175.113.48 18:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)]

signed, Sojambi Pinola 05:15, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup protection etc..

You wisely protected the Biff Rose entry. There still seems to be massive dissent. One of the people who asked you to have a look at it has been frozen by willmcw, though I'm not sure that was warranted, he is steve espinola. most importantly though, Biff Rose on his website is promoting his friends to hack into the computers of anyone who may have a different view of his past and present than him. Apparently he is close with two hackers, and has enlisted them to find the isp #'s of all who aren't his sock puppets. This works against the nature of wikipedia. It seems Rose has been posting about himself through the person identified as Sojambi Pinola. Steve espinola brought this up before he was frozen and not allowed to be a part of wikipedia by will mcw- this seems self serving because will works with Sojambi Pinola. I'm not pleading Steve's case. He's unpopular enough that doing so would bring me into the crossharis, so to speak. I use wikipedia as a reference, everday. It does seem terrible that people can write whatever they feel like on a talk page then go ahead and ban you for the sentmients they layered into the page afterwards. The Biff Rose issue seems to be a petri dish for the more mercurial aspects that can fester here. Keep an eye on Biff Rose postings. Keep it protected. Really. KEEP THAT PAGE PROTECTED. There has been no real work on the post, just a hodge podge of one sided issues. They let the last line stay in, after having refused other examples or Rose's lyrics- which explain a lot in whatever context they've been used in. if you would like to email me for further discussion, you can email me at scurvyhide@hotmail.com

[left, unsigned, by 216.175.113.48 18:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)]

website in question

the folllowing is a quote from Rose on his website messageboard the last line of the response is particularly of note.

"Hurricanes and Mother Russia

Name: b.

Date Posted: Aug 27, 05 - 10:38 PM

Message: The World Wide Get Even Theatre presents..."It's Mother Rusiia"

Jodry-Potthoff wrote: Yo Biff, are you back in NOLA? Are you safe? This ***** Katrina is lookin for you!!! Watch yer ass or yer feet. She carries a lot of water. It’s still dry here in Chi.

Later

K

response:

Dear King Karl...I'm in Kansas City eating a cow a day...switching to horses on Monday, pigs on Tuesday and ten golden chickens on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday...and I am terrified about what Mother Russia is doing to get even with me for what would appear a Pyrrhic victory last year...IVAN her consort heaeded for our coast....La Belle Louisiane....and now her daughter Katrina....ah..those Russkies...last year I was left as a million white people evacuated the city and only I with half a million negroes, five hundred thousand tons of fried chicken and half a million barrels of beer was left to weather the storm...I prayed a mighty wind and blew Mother Rusiia's consort, Ivan ( she was playing hard to get)...blew the ******* as in Biff Bam Thak ye ma'am gwine send you packin' back to aLLAH! bam...it worked...then i worked ssiduously to get rid of Molly and all my european sounds into the heartland as once before Napoleon and Hitler...only to prepare the way for rap and hip hop...but she battled back after devouring Molly...and now send Katrina and I have to come up with some song quick....and I'm not even home...and I may not even HAVE a home to go back to... has Susan got those hackers to do a job on the evil ones? ...check out wikipedia....the discussion group...."

[left, unsigned, by 216.175.113.48 18:57, 28 August 2005 (UTC)]

regarding vandalism 'investigation'

hello.

I appreciate you looking into things, but I think you've missed a bit of the details.

This user (User: Canadia) has been *incessant*. There has only been a single instance of my apparent inadvertent deletion of anti-American content from the Offensive terms per nationality (posted by him when claiming I am the vandal).

His deletion of any anti-Canadian content spreads FAR beyond that single article.

I have attempted normal means of mediation (posted in Talk, tried to re-word any Canadian entries as low-key and minimized offensiveness as possible, posted template warnings about content deletion, etc.)

He proceeded to edit my posting on the Talk page to include "I gay" (sic)

His edit comments are impressively offensive to me...please see the edit history for Offensive terms per nationality.

So, I ask, please reconsider.

I have left a note on his Talk page as requested. boinger 19:06, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

"silly page"

No, it didn't show up on newpages.

The reason I haven't deleted it yet is precisely so that people can check the article creation and move time and see for themselves (if they wish) that it doesn't appear on newpages. I'll delete it in a few days.

So far there hasn't been much reaction. I wonder if it's been reported as a bug... if not it should be. -- Curps 22:33, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I posted to WP:AN as you suggested. -- Curps 22:44, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Func's RfA :)

Flcelloguy, thank you for diligently waiting for your RfA to end before supporting mine...smart move! ;-)

Your supporting vote was very much appreciated, thank you! :)

Please never hesitate to let me know if you have concerns with any administrative action I may make.

Func( t, c, e,  ) 18:48, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

RE:Stony Brook University

Ahh, well, that's no problem, as long as the vandals are gone. =) By the way, if you get his name, I can start a mob to lynch him =) joking of course (or am I?). Regards and happy editing! Sasquatch讲看 20:44, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Eric mandat

I'm probably missing some subtlety here, but why reinstate this redirect? The Wikipedia system handles that kind of typographical mistake (e.g. if I type "Samuel johnson" in the search box, clicking Go takes me automatically to Samuel Johnson). So what's the need for an Eric mandat page? Tearlach 02:26, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Requesting assistance in handling disruptive behavior.

I would greatly appreciate if you look into the mess created in the article Rohingya. This is quite an interesting issue; a few months ago, I removed the copyvio and then organized the article into sections and cleaned up the links. For some reason, several anon editors in the block 212.138.47.* seem to take offence at my "touching" "their" article, and started vandalizing my user/talk pages. Some of these vandals were blocked by other admins.

Last week, these vandals created several sockpuppet accounts, including Antirajib (talk · contribs). You can see from the account name what its purpose was. The user vandalized my user/talk pages besides leaving abusive comments. The user was blocked immediately.

Yesterday and today, there has been a parade of sockpuppets all directed at either launching personal attacks, or avoiding 3RR. You can find several incoherent rants in Talk:Rohingya, my talk (User talk:Ragib and Mel's talk User talk:Mel Etitis. The language constructs and the irrational attitude ("how-dare-I-touch-their-article-being-a-Bengali" etc) points out a single user behind all these.

I find the following accounts as sockpuppets of the same vandal from the ip block 212.138.47.*

• Arakan (talk · contribs)
• Eddiewiki (talk · contribs)
• Yonglee (talk · contribs)
• Bobjack (talk · contribs)
• Antirajib (talk · contribs)

I urge everyone to take a look at the page history, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rohingya&curid=1918632&action=history . This is not even a dispute over content! I have not added or deleted any content other than the initial copyvio. I simply organized the article with sections, and cleaned up the external links. One of the links point to a blog, which the vandals ferociously object to as being termed a blog. I've gotten literally tired of the abuse these vandals launched on me. The level of racial and personal abuse is quite hard to take. Since it would be a conflict of interest in my part to take actions against these vandals, I would request you to look into this issue and decide.

Thanks a lot. --Ragib 13:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey Man

I was wondering if you could assist in a potentially anger filled situation, who's heart is at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Watch/schoolwatch. I'll ask some others too since your schedule looks tough. Karmafist 03:44, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

DYK

Hi, when you update DYK please archive the last template and remove the suggestions that are on the current template. --nixie 00:14, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I normally cut the old template out and stick it in the archive, then assemble the new one- killing two birds with one stone :) --nixie 00:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Sylvia (ballet)

I politely ask that you reconsider your position regarding the featured article candidacy of Sylvia (ballet). Your only objection to the article's promotion was the lack of information on the 2004 Morris production, a section that was significantly beefed up. If you have any other suggestions to make, please do so, otherwise, kindly remove your objection. Thank you. -- Rmrfstar 22:02, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the response! I have dealt with each of your objections to Sylvia and the changes await your comment. -- Rmrfstar 00:01, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your support of Sylvia, (as the main contributor to the article). -- Rmrfstar 21:30, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Re:RFA

No problem. Congratulations! Acetic Acid 23:16, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!! : ) --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 07:22, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

RajanR

It wouldn't hurt to leave a real reply address while emailing, you know? email@email.com doesn't count. Rajan Rishayakaran 12:47, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Vesa Ahonen -- Vfd vs. speedy delete

Hi Flcelloguy, thanks for the clear edit summary when you reverted my addition of the speedy delete tag on the Vesa Ahonen entry. I wasn't sure what the protocol was, and now I have learned. The type of edit summary you wrote is making it a lot easier for me to find my way around! Mamawrites 17:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

What happens when two admins block

The shortest one wins. (Sigh.) No problems with crossing the streams or anything though. :-) FreplySpang (talk) 23:53, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

See my talk page

User talk:Redwolf24. P.S. ARCHIVE THIS! NOW! Redwolf24 00:25, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Join. Asap! please... Redwolf24 00:34, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Protection

Hi. A while back you "temporarily" protected Daniel Pipes to stop edit warring - this was back on the 8th. I came across it whilst fixing ISBN links (and cleaning out ASINs), but since it's locked I can't tidy up the page (I only need to make a couple of small changes to the refs section). Given it's been two weeks since you protected it, could you consider unprotecting it? Thanks. Shimgray 18:35, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks muchly. I've fixed what I was after, in case you feel the need to reprotect it. Shimgray 19:49, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Open proxies

Hi, Flcelloguy. I don't know much about them either, but there are databases of these things on the web. I've been following the IP addresses of the Ted Kennedy vandal and of User:Cyrius's stalker. I pop the IPs into these database/black list things, they are either have them listed or they don't. Cheers, Func( t, c, @, ) 20:51, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks for that. I'm hoping since I'm advertising in my Navbox that I'm open to accepting them that I'll get more. Maybe not. But thanks nonetheless. PS your sig's been fixed. -- Francs2000 | Talk 21:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Celebration!

Champagne is often drunk as part of a celebration

Please join me in celebrating my 1000th edit at Wikipedia, the most important online information resource! Hamster Sandwich 21:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Working on a proposal

Hey, thanks for your offer to answer my newbie questions. I actually have one... would you mind taking a peek at my ideas for a new link on the navigation page and sharing your thoughts? I know that I could be bold and just create the Wikipedia:Who writes Wikipedia page, and put up a proposal and ask for comments at the Village Pump, but I guess I want to move a little more slowly with such a major proposal. Mamawrites 03:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

RfA

I gotta say, I'm happy to find out that someone would consider nominating me for RfA. If you feel confident in this, go ahead, I'd be extremely appreciative of such a gesture. Like you said, that rollback button could come in handy in combating those pesky vandals, so it wouldn't be going to waste or anything :). Well, once again, you have my thanks. By the way, the counter is up to 66 now - my user page is somewhat of a vandal magnate :P. Happy editing! Nufy8 02:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks :). Nufy8 00:58, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

History of South Carolina

Hello. History of South Carolina is on Featured Article Candidates for a third time due to recent controversy. Because you commented on one of its past nominations, you may be interested in commenting this time at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/History of South Carolina. Toothpaste 19:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I think I fixed the lead. Not sure. Is it fixed? Toothpaste 01:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

Appreciate the bootcamp link. Hobbes000 16:51, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

HappyCamper's RFA - Thanks for your support! :-)

Hi Flcelloguy! Thanks for your support on my recent RFA! I'm now an administrator, and indeed, I'm a happy camper right now too! :D -- If you ever need an extra helping hand, let me know, and I'll do my best to help out. Thanks again for your support, and I'll see you around the Wiki! --HappyCamper 02:13, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

As an aside, I must ask: Have you played Mendelssohn's cello concerto in B minor? --HappyCamper 02:13, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

IPs, DNSs and ISPs, oh my!

Hiyas Flcelloguy. I've seen your comments regarding 3RR violations on the Winter Soldier Investigation article, located here. You have asked, "As I asked TDC, is there a way to find out if the two IPs are linked?" In a word, no. There are tools you can use to determine what Internet Service Providers host those particular proxy IPs, and you can "trace" the usage of those IPs back to a general geographic area (for example, Northern California) and major hub city. That would, in the case of major ISPs like Earthlink (aka Slipnet, aka Mindspring, ...) narrow the number down to a few million internet users. If you desire any more detailed information, you'd need to first obtain a subpoena from a court of law, and then work directly with the ISP to narrow it down further. There is a convenient set of free tools located here if you want to mess around with it.

In specific regard to TDCs complaint, I can tell you this: TDC is correct when he claims the IPs 165.274.xxx.xxx and 209.86.xxx.xxx (my current one) are hosted by Earthlink, and their usage originates through Dial-Up nodes routed through the "Bay Area" in California. He also knows there are several of us that edit on Wikipedia through the same networked computers, since we've been through this same song and dance at least a half-dozen times before. TDC is incorrect when he cites that as proof that all anon edits must be from the same user. TDC is incorrect when he claims it must also be the same user vandalizing his user page while logged into AOL IPs, or IPs originating from Brooklyn, NY and Virginia. Earlier today, the edits and reverts by 165 & 209 IPs were not by the same editor. I hope that clears things up. You could speak by phone with two or more editors here that have been in revert wars with TDC on various articles if that would be proof to you, but TDC could just wave it off as a bunch of my work mates backing me up.

I also have a question for you. It appears Admin Geni has reverted the above mentioned article prior to Page Protecting it. I was under the impression that Admins were not supposed to select preferred article versions before protecting them. As an Admin yourself, can you clarify that for me? Geni claims to have reverted to a revision by Ed Poor because it was the "last edit by someone not apprently involved in the current edit war." On the contrary, Ed Poor is quite involved, and even making his own reverts [6], since this "edit war" was started by TDC exactly 4 weeks ago. The article was basically dormant for months prior to that. After seeing Admin Geni's comments on the sister-article discussion page here, and after selecting preferred versions to protect, I have to suspect a less than neutral stance by Geni. Cheers, 209.86.3.213 03:19, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Signpost

Just confirming that you want to do an article on Features and admins. Leave a note on my talk page to confirm. Deadline is Sunday, August 28, 8 p.m. EDT (Midnight UTC). ral315 23:06, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Music

Nope, not a cellist, but a violinist. I've played a variety of pieces, I guess the most notable one is Mendelssohn's concerto in E minor for violin. Have you heard of it before? I really like Bach too. I assume you are a pretty accomplished musician if the next piece you might work on is the B minor one. Very beautiful piece I think. If you're ever interested in writing a music-related article, let me know! --HappyCamper 23:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

unblock and reblock, a wop bam boom

If you unblock the 15 min block I think it unblocks all the blocks, so you need to reblock. Thanks! FreplySpang (talk) 00:57, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

You have to go to Special:Ipblocklist and remove the shorter block first. FreplySpang (talk) 01:06, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Why did you block RightWingZionistNut?

Why did you block User:RightWingZionistNut? You claim that he impersonated User:Guy Montag but where is the evidence? That he refers people to Guy Montag's userpage as an example of what a right wing zionist nut looks like? That's not really impersonation, is it?

Also, why did you revert and then protect the page King David Hotel bombing? It is not vandalism to call the Irgun terrorists. Look at the categories for that article. Terrorist acts are carried out by terrorists. Engaging in revert wars and then protecting a page violates Wikipedia:Protection policy. If anyone is engaged in vandalism it looks like you and Guy Montag and not the guy who just uses the name "RightWingZionistNut".

You also left this contradictory semi-literate message on ZionistRightWingNut's Discussion page: "You have been blocked indefinitely for impersonating a user and for edit warring and vandalism. Thank you. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 18:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires."

I suggest you work on your logic and communication skills. --FlSingleLoser 18:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Flcello, you do understand that this guy is a sockpuppet of RWZN (who is a sockpuppet himself) and he made this particular username to insult you, as he in the most retarded manner tried to insult me. Keep banning him.

Guy Montag 20:12, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Clean up requet

Would you please help me re-organize the Wikipedia:Requests for mediation page along the lines of Wikipedia:Cleanup Taskforce? At least point me in the right direction and offer some formatting tips? Uncle Ed 01:13, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Do it.

Thanks a lot. ral315 00:01, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest, it's not done because I took a 6 1/2 hour nap by accident. If I don't it done in the next few hours, I'll get it done tomorrow afternoon. ral315 07:55, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

re:my 3rr block

[7]

OK

Sounds like a good set of guidelines. Andre (talk) 00:22, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Mediation proposal

A lot has been keeping me from mediating lately as it is as you undoubtedly know a time-consuming process. I would like to add one question to your proposal. What if one or both of the parties don't feel comfortable with the mediator assigned to the case? - Mgm|^(talk) 07:53, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Hypnotize

Hi Flcelloguy, it's been about a week since you locked Hypnotize. Given the consensus of opinion at Talk:Hypnotize and the fact that the album is being released soon, would it be possible to open it back up? User:Mike Garcia hasn't weighed in the discussion and he's blocked right now for vandalism. 66.36.130.216 16:14, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! 66.36.130.216 22:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Mediation

No probs with the banner. This is wiki (copyrights not allowed! ;) ). I read your proposed format and I have some suggestions. 1) Have a subject line like we do for emails. 2) instead of separating the two parties disputes by headings (ie. rows), make it a table and have it placed side by side so that people can compare both parties' statements. PS thanks for the strong support for my RFB. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:07, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar

Thanks for the barnstar! I'll put it on my userpage. Golbez is one user I know who deserves this barnstar as well, he is faster at reverting the vandalism than I am. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

DYK

Is it really a good idea to update DYK just an hour and 40 minutes before the change-over to Featured Picture? Shouldn't we wait?--Pharos 22:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, I suppose this set can just spend the weekend in wiki-hibernation and return on Monday; we'll just have to remember not to update it immediately after it comes back.--Pharos 22:39, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

66.36.130.216

Hello, Flcelloguy. I believe 66.36.130.216 (who posted at your talk page earlier) is probably the famous anonymous vandal (66.36.148.190/66.36.133.229) on the Hypnotize article who keeps removing information and is fond of claiming that some information is incorrect; it's not. -- Mike Garcia | talk 22:51, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Astrolox

I've unblocked him per WP:FAITH. See WP:AN for details. Yours, Radiant_>|< 14:13, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

I am

Sam Spade, please stop edit warring on I am. Also, please be reminded of the WP:3RR rule. Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 15:29, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Don't leave notes like this on my talk page in the future. If you have a comment, make sure it is informed and respectful. I am not in danger of violating WP:3RR, as a moments review of I am demonstrates. It would appear you have been a contributor since 14 May 2005. I feel a 3 month contributor making statements in such a manner on my page is either a) not a three month contributer, or b) arrogant to an extreme. Sam Spade 15:39, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Sam Spade, I am simply reminding you that edit warring is highly discouraged in Wikipedia. I'm sorry if I offended you; I understand that you have not violated WP:3RR yet, but I was simply reminding you of the policy designed to prevent edit warring. Also, let me remind you of the WP:NPA policy; I do not appreciate being called arrogant. My time here on Wikipedia is irrelevant to the discussion. Thank you. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 15:43, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

I sternly disagree. [8] Sam Spade 15:47, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

---

Thanks for the note Flcelloguy, but unfortunately you're a bit off the mark. No one is edit warring except Sam Spade, who is flouting the consensus of the other participants in the discussion, two admins; Exploding Boy and myself, and being a bit testy as you can see above. Further discussion can be found here: User_talk:Sam_Spade#Redirect_of_I_am. Sam's "evidence" for his insistance on repeated reverting is uncompelling. The stats are that almost the only people landing on this redirect are EB, SS, and myself. This article redirect is little used, adds nothing to wikipedia, and become a constant source of contention for Sam, it should be deleted. The consensus is that I am should not redirect to God, so I'm undoing Sam's revert once again and I'm adding the vfd template. FeloniousMonk 15:45, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

With regards to the note you left on my talk page, I agree that Sam's conduct is out of line and his comments to you were unjustified. The I am redirect could probably be nominated for deletion. -- Curps 16:31, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

PS, just a suggestion: to document things, you should provide links to actual diffs, not just links to the page. That way, the relevant post can be found even weeks of months later. For instance, instead of a link to [[User talk:Flcelloguy]], provide links to [9] [10] etc. -- Curps 16:36, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

If you wish to file an RfC, you could, but this one incident alone might not be sufficient. If there were other incidents, this one could be added to a global RfC. I'd suggest you provide the documentation links (diffs) as suggested above on the Wikipedia:Mediation Committee page and let folks see and judge for themselves. Some people might even consider Sam's opposition as a point in your favor. -- Curps 16:42, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

I am has now been listed on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion. -- Curps 19:57, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[11]. Cheers, Sam Spade 00:51, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Nichalp

You pinged me? I'm on for a short while. Let me know what's the prob. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:44, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

From the history of the article here, Sam Spade is not violating the 3RR. According to my timestamps (I'm at +5:30 UTC); Sam reverted at 14:38 on Sep 2; and 19:21 and 20:54 on Sep 3. The time difference between 19:21 and 20:54 is 1:33 mins. Since 3RR is for a 24 hr period, Sam can legally revert once more for the time period between 20:54 (sep 3) and 20:54 (sep 4). However I won't condone what Sam has done. Instead of politely telling Fcelloguy that he has erred, he has chosen to reply in a rather defensive and boorish tone. I also do believe that Flcelloguy told Sam about 3RR in good faith, so this is what I suggest:

Flcello: Please accept that Sam is right.

Sam please do not reply to any user so rudely in the future.

=Nichalp «Talk»= 18:20, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

I know I mixed up the time stamps above, but basically SS has one legal revert left. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:27, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

No probs, I don't mind helping. But you should warn the person before he's about to violate a 3RR, it may be irritating for some to be warned when it does not apply. IMO I don't think an RFC is needed. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:30, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

I apologise for being angry. I take warnings from admins very seriously, and was shocked, embaressed, and dismayed to find one on my talk page. I have been wrongfully blocked for 3r violations twice now (from people confusing timestamps, I assume) and with the 2 others involved here being a admins w a LONG history (as in a year or more) of persecuting me, I was in a particularly ill humor for a policy reminder from a (assumably well meaning) new user. I again apologise for snapping at you. Sam Spade 21:08, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Recent block

Hmm...I'm wondering if it is necessary to reduce the block to only 15 minutes at the moment. It seems that the IP is in the range of 172.128.0.0 - 172.211.255.255 which is used by AOL. What do you think? --HappyCamper 18:59, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Yup :-) And thanks for leaving the message on the IP. --HappyCamper 19:03, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Message Deletion

--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns Flcelloguy, did you get a message from me, and if so, did you delete it? If you did delete it, you were within your rights, but if you did not then I suspect a certain party of trying to prevent the truth from being told regarding a conflict I'm having. Thank you very much.

The Missing Message

--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns I could almost (though not quite) swear that I accurately sent a rather long message to you that should be just above my writing about message deletion. But rather than accuse a certain third party (you know the man I mean) of deleting it, I will restate it in abbreviated terms. I came to this site over a year ago, aged 19. I didn't know about the "POV" rule, but actually all I did was lessen a libertarian, pro-pornography POV in several articles. Several fervent anti-censorship users insulted me, and accused me of being a "vandal" and both Moriori and Raul654 called me a "troll" and Moriori and to a lesser extent Raul654 slandered me by accusing me of stealing articles or "copyvio", as Moriori called it, which couldn't be further from the truth. Moriori even said I stole my article on Turkey Stearnes from the African American Registry, which is an obvious lie since the two articles don't resemble each other and the AAR wasn't even one of my research sources on Stearnes. Angry words were exchanged between me and Moriori, and I left the site in disgust. Shortly after I suffered a series of illnesses and only returned to the Internet a couple of months ago and I want to clear up the matter and end the quarrels. If ever you can prove that you are worthy of being an arbitrator, make peace between Moriori and his allies and me and I will consider you the greatest diplomat that ever lived. Thank you very much.

Vandalism

This seems a little out of character, but who am I to deny what it says? At any rate, please do not vandalize pages, especially such highly visible ones, as it may jeapordize your position as admin and (potentially) mediator. I've left a comment on your nomination to this effect. Please leave any replies on my talk page, or let me know about them there, as I'm not likely to be reading the MC noms. -Matthew Cieplak ^{(talk) (edits)} 21:08, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Glad that's been resolved. -Matthew Cieplak ^{(talk) (edits)} 21:21, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Copied from Matthewcieplak's talk page. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 21:22, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, there's an explanation. As a result of being tired (having done RC patrol all day), I saw an anon IP address and the vandalism, and immediately clicked revert. You'll see that I immediately saw my mistake, and reverted myself back [12] within 5 seconds. I then proceeded to block the offender for 24 hours [13]. Thanks for your diligence! If there are any questions, let me know. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 21:16, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

I was going to go strike my comment on your mediator nomination, but it seems to never have been there at all. Perhaps I just hit preview. At any rate, now I don't have to correct it (I may even offer support). Good luck. -Matthew Cieplak ^{(talk) (edits)} 21:25, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Confusion About "The Missing Message"

--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns Could you send me a message at my user talk so that I know that all of this confusion has been cleared up. Could you also do a bit of mediation? Thank you very much.

Don't Believe Moriori

--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns Whatever you do, don't believe ANYTHING that Moriori tells you. He is in a different time zone than I am and I would have to stay up all night to continue responding to his lies. I will warn you that he can be very persuasively dishonest, as I found out in 2004. What he wrote about me on the administration board is simply false and, of course, very insulting as well, though I can't claim that I have never insulted him. I have, however, always been honest, and he has been consistently dishonest. For that matter, if Raul654 or any others of the anti-censorship (and anti-Felix Frederick Bruyns) group tell you anything about me, don't believe them either. Whatever our mutual insults and disagreements, there is one basic difference between me and them. They lie. I don't. Above all, don't believe a word that Moriori has to say, because he would say anything that came into his mind to injure my reputation. Thank you very much.

Bureaucratship

Hi, Flcelloguy. Thank you so much for your support and kind words on my bureaucratship nomination. Unfortunately, it didn't pass, but I intend to run again soon. If you'd like to be informed next time around, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks again! Andre (talk) 05:24, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

My Grievances Against Moriori: The Whole Story

--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns I have decided that I must tell the entire story about what Moriori has done to me. It is rather long and I apologize for that, but it cannot be helped. The problems began in mid-2004, slightly over a year ago. I was 19 years old, very ignorant about the technical aspects of Internet use and I knew nothing about Wikipedia policy. I stumbled across your free encyclopedia, however, and I decided that, having done intensive research on Negro League baseball, I would write a few articles in Wikipedia. I saw that registration was optional, and so I did not see any reason to bother with it. I was, I believe, assigned a number with colons in it. I wrote several articles on Negro Leaguers (which, in essentials, remain on Wikipedia today) and I did not take credit for them even though I didn't know of the Wikipedia policy against taking such credit, since I thought that they should be fully public domain and that the work was its own reward. My mother, however, said that my articles were of high quality and that I should in some way take credit for them. Not knowing of the policy against this, I simply typed "Author: Felix F. Bruyns" at the bottom of each article. That was when some confusion began. Some people believed that I was not "Felix F. Bruyns" and that I might have stolen the articles from someone by that name. Then my father suggested that I register under my own name (which is Felix F. Bruyns) to clarify the matter. I did so, but it was at about this time that the situation became ugly. I looked up some entertainers, among them Kylie Minogue, Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Drew Barrymore and Cary Grant. I knew nothing about the "point of view" policy at the time, but in retrospect they contained a libertarian and pro-pornography point of view. I am more conservative now than I was then, but even then I was shocked by the disrespectful and unprofessional nature of some of the articles. So, having the understanding that anyone was allowed to edit anyone else's work, I removed a few sentences from these articles and changed a few others. That was when the wrath of every anti-censorship Wikipedian seemed to descend on me. I was accused of "vandalism", called a "troll", told by Raul654 that he "political correctness is something I despise" (obvious POV motivation) and it was also Raul654 who accused me of "PC (political correctness) pushing". But another of my attackers stood out even more. Both Moriori and Raul654 called me a "troll" and Raul654 claimed that my articles on the Negro Leaguers were "far from original", but as bad as all of this was Moriori went a step further. He accused me of "copyvio" and demanded that I remove all of my articles from the site. This could have been an honest mistake because of the "Author: Felix F. Bruyns" confusion, but I came across one item that proved that Moriori was premeditated in his falsehoods. He specifically claimed that I had copied my article on Turkey Stearnes from the African American Registry. This was so far from the truth that it had to be a deliberate lie. The African American Registry's "born on this day" article on Turkey Stearnes doesn't even closely resemble mine, and the site was not even one of my sources of research on Stearnes. The timing of these accusations definitely suggests that Moriori's motives were political, but, of course, I cannot prove his motives. I presume that Moriori was fully familiar with the "keep your cool" policy, since he seemed far more experienced in Wikipedia than I was, but I was not. He and I exchanged a series of angry user talks. To be honest, we BOTH lost our tempers. He called me a "troll", accused me of vandalism, "copyvio" and demanded that I remove all of my articles from Wikipedia. In turn, irate over the obvious slander, I called him "a plague spot on Wikipedia" and demanded that he remove all of his articles from the site. I also made justified legal threats against him, unaware of the "no legal threats" Wikipedia policy. Although two or three users showed some sympathy for me, many more accused me of vandalism or otherwise sided with Moriori. I was so upset that I visited the New Zealand police website, but unfortunately, unlike some national police sites, they had no non-emergency e-mail. The last straw was when someone hijacked both my "Felix F. Bruyns" user page and a message board, claiming to be me and typing things like "You may think of me as a vandal, but I like to think of myself more as a dictator" and other such arrogant nonsense that I had nothing to do with whatsoever. I had no idea of how to deal with this sort of treatment, so I finally decided to leave the site in utter humiliation. A few months later I suffered a series of moderate illnesses (tonsilitis, facial swelling of unknown cause, etc...) and I was not on the Internet again until a couple of months ago. One of the first things that I did was to check if the slanderous references to me were still on the web, which they were. I decided that I would resume some editing and I re-registered with Wikipedia. Of course, since over a year had passed, I had long forgotten my old password so I registered under my full name "Felix Frederick Bruyns" with a new password. I looked up the article on Kylie Minogue, but at some point I became emotionally repulsed by its content (which had actually gotten worse) and that, combined with my old anger over the slanderous references to me in the archives (which I didn't know how to edit at that time), led me to write two imprudently angry (but neither illegal nor profane) messages, both of which were mostly the result of my ignorance about the archives and so forth. In these messages I castigated Wikipedia as a whole, and for this I apologize. It was wrong of me to overgeneralize based on a few articles or the abuse of a few users. If I have offended any of the administrators or other senior users of Wikipedia I am sincerely sorry. At the same time I think that you can understand, given my ignorance of nearly all Wikipedia policy and the treatment that I had received, why I felt very angry. I moderated my tone as I learned more about Wikipedia, but in some of my general complaints and requests I mentioned Moriori and what he had done to me in 2004. Well, he responded by lying about me (he claimed that I had accused him of spreading a virus, which is not true). He has twice quoted me out of context in our renewed online struggle, and of course we have exchanged insults. Finally, a message that I left on this very noticeboard was deleted, and I have every reason to believe that Moriori deleted it. To be fair, when I wrote the message I had forgotten something that I said in 2004, and so I accused him of misquoting me rather than quoting me out of context. I will copy this message, however, so that I can replace it if he deletes it. I am now "keeping my cool". I am not demanding anything from administrators or more experienced Wikipedians. I am making a humble request-in fact-I am pleading that someone will understand my side of the story and the wrongs that Moriori has committed against me. No matter what Moriori tells you or anyone else, every word of this post is the truth, so help me God. Will someone please help me? Thank you very much.

I am

I trust the issue is amicably resolved? =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:01, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Images

• I believe those images are copyrighted as per the disclaimer here; despite the LoC having info in PD.
• The time period is too short for the copyrights to expire.
• This google search turns up with some promising sites. Hopefully a disclaimer isn't present somewhere.
• If his image is available on an album/book/magazine cover, you can scan it & u'load under "fair use". This image can only be used on the artist's name and the article on the album /magazine/book.
• Jimbo has decreed that "used with permission" is no longer acceptable, so all such images will be deleted.

I hope I was of some use. I'll be logging off for now, will login 2 hrs l8r. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:23, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Minor Confusion

--User Talk: Felix Frederick Bruyns I copied that long complaint about Moriori from the administrative board (because it was so long and it was late at night where I lived, and also because I wanted to send it to as many concerned Wikipedia users as possible quickly before Moriori could delete it). Therefore one sentence may seem irrelevant to you, since it refers to the administrative board specifically. I apologize for the mix-up. Thank you very much. Also, mediation is very much needed. Thanks again.

Knock knock

You there? If not don't worry. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:55, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Ok I got a job for you. Maybe you'd like to use your new powers. I've reverted thrice on the Mumbai page. The IP who has reverted is rolling back to a version which contain images that are unverified. (We can't have this for a FA). I've posted a couple of messages on his talk, but no response. Since I'm off to sleep, would you handle it from here on? Just warn him once before blocking him if he reverts again. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:04, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:08, September 4, 2005 (UTC)