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Women's Challenge Cup

Are you sure moving the article from RFL WCC to WCC was the best idea? Women's Challenge Cups appear in other sports e.g the Irish FA have one. While the men's Challenge Cup has, imo, a strong case for wp:Primarytopic, I'm not sure the women's Cup could make as strong a claim hence the disambiguation from the outset. Nthep (talk) 08:24, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Links to the primary topic of the mens competition, as being the same sport, we are not allowed to split them because of gender and talk of them as separate sports. So the overwhelmingly primary topic of the Challenge Cup (as a rugby league cup) lends weight to the move.Fleets (talk) 08:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Article move David March

Hi there. I see that you moved the David March article to David March (actor). This was an inappropriate move per WP:ONEOTHER. The rugby player is a very minor sports figure, and I don't think its in doubt that the actor should be the primary target to be located at David March with a hat note at the top of the page.4meter4 (talk) 23:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I've never heard of the actor, and still very far from convinced that one is primary over the other. David March the rugby league footballer may well be a very minor sports figure is you look at his amateur rugby exploits, but 400 odd games of rugby league means that he does not go from the primary to secondary. David March should be a disambiguation page, else returned to the rugby league footballer, and the RM process looked at, as the move was highly contentious in the first place.Fleets (talk) 07:46, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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NOTW cites

Did you check any of the links to the deprecated news source you were putting into BLPs? Cos you were putting dead links in and claiming they were references - David Gerard (talk)

Went off the edit summary, which by your tone here, was potentially generic to both deprecated and non-deprecated sources alike?Fleets (talk) 10:23, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

So you're admitting that you were putting dead links to deprecated sources into BLPs, without at any point looking at what you were actually doing? - David Gerard (talk) 11:12, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

And you're admitting your wording could have been clearer. I would like to think that we can both grow and learn as human beings from this interaction.Fleets (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Super League

Page views on Super League have grown by a factor 75 in two days.[1] That means 99% of the viewers are currently looking for The Super League announced two days ago. We should guide them there, not to old proposals. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Those pages are being merged, with the Super League returning to the Super League.Fleets (talk) 10:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

A possible merge has been mentioned. It may or may not happen at an unknown title. Hatnotes can always be changed later. Why lead 50000 daily viewers to an article they aren't looking for? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

If they arrived on a rugby league article, and the Super League is the rugby league competition, and not an association football one, I'm not sure how steering them towards the European Super League is a worse option than a planned league currently with the same name as the primary topic. Clarity is king.Fleets (talk) 12:41, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

European super league redirect

Hi. Can I ask why you reverted my change to this redirect? When I searched for those words, I was looking for some of the entries on European Super League, which is a disambiguation page; instead I was surprisingly sent to the rugby competition. It seemed obvious to me that the uncapitalised version of those words should redirect to the same place as the capitalised ones, so I retargeted it. I might not have done so if the redirect had a considerable history; but it was only created by you a couple of days ago, and is linked from no other pages.

Why do you believe Super League is the clear primary topic of the string 'European super league'? I'm well aware of the Super League, but I've never heard it called that, and the words 'European super league' don't even appear in the article. I would argue that, given the number of current and previous competitions called 'European super league' or something similar, there's no primary topic, and the disambiguation page is the obvious correct target here.

If you still don't agree, please confirm here or on my talk page, and I'll take it to WP:RFD for more input. Robofish (talk) 20:22, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

[2] RL had the previous claim on the term, and I didn't see a reason stated for the move. Understand primary, but lack of rationale led to revision.Fleets (talk) 07:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

"European super league" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect European super league. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 22#European super league until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Robofish (talk) 22:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Unnecessary redirect

This is not a reason to use a completely unnecessary redirect. As I've said, it has no WP:RPURPOSE and would certainly be deleted if it wasn't for the fact that it's so old. If you continue with pointlessly illogical reversions such as this (New South Wales links to New South Wales), simply to make the location appear as one colour, it'll go to ANEW. – ².O.^Boxing 20:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

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2 edits within 24 hours is not a violation, and you yourself are only at three, only beyond the three will you, you the editor, potentially suffer the consequences.Fleets (talk) 06:23, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

You know exactly what edit warring is, you've been in enough of them. I suggest you read WP:Edit warring to remind yourself. Maybe take a gander at WP:OWN as well. WP: NOTCHECKMATE is definitely relevant for you. – ².O.^Boxing 09:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Pot, kettle, black I dare say.Fleets (talk) 06:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Michael Jennings (rugby league)

Hi Fleets. Regarding my recent edit at Michael Jennings (rugby league), |nickname= is no longer a supported {{Infobox rugby league biography}} parameter. It was removed in January 2018 (see also discussion here [3] and here [4]). Because |nickname= is no longer supported, no value for it is displayed in the infobox. Also, articles that still use that parameter are included at Category:Pages using infobox rugby league biography with unknown parameters and Wikipedia displays this notice when the "Show preview" button is pressed for an article and the |nickname= parameter is used:

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So, I'm going to remove it again. If you want to discuss it further, leave me a message on my talk page as I won't get any notification if you leave me a message here or at Talk:Michael Jennings (rugby league). Thanks. – 108.56.139.120 (talk) 12:05, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Cited source, so work it into the article, make it part of the infobox, but removing the cited source does not help anyone, least of all the reader.Fleets (talk) 13:51, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

The cited source does not appear to verify his nickname, but if I've got that wrong, I welcome fraternal correction. As far as I can tell, the source is not cited or used elsewhere in the article. Do you know of a source that verifies his nickname? If so, then you could work it into the article text. – 108.56.139.120 (talk) 14:51, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Descriptions

Hello! Thanks for the information. I finished up working on those because it is a little confusing from an editing perspective. Sorry for the confusion. If I can assist with anything on my side, just let me know. It is not a bot. It is just me doing that by hand using the shortdesc helper function/gadget. Red Director (talk) 14:44, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Sami

Hi! I thinks it's pretty clear that he is sometimes called Phil as a nickname, but the field is for his NAME. A simple google shows much more common Phillip is. 23k google hits to 2. Doctorhawkes (talk) 08:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi there. Given that his club called him by the name Phil, and I cited that club source, I was a little surprised to see it removed. I'm not looking to cause an argument, so have added the short version of his name, and the full version of his name as the same thing in both fields.Fleets (talk) 09:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

I just checked their website which refers to him as Phillip many times. I'm sure they have on occasion called him Phil. That's how nicknames work. Doctorhawkes (talk) 21:25, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Not really much of nickname, but agreed both Phil and Phillip have been used.Fleets (talk) 09:53, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

June 2021

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Replied at your talk page after lines of a template were removed.Fleets (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Linking

Hi, thanks for your contributions. Please don't make edits like this one. And note that en.WP is generally pretty parsimonious about linking well-known words. Tony (talk) 04:00, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

New South Wales may be well known to those who live in Australia, but it is far from universally known throughout the English speaking world. Australia as a country is widely known and is not linked.Fleets (talk) 08:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Right, but people don't agree with the way you're piping (effectively increasing the bunched-up blue, which isn't very helpful for readers). I'd hate to lose you and your good work. What about trying to compromise at ANI? If you're sanctioned it will do no one any good. You'll need to convince them you won't edit-war, which is just that you'll follow the site rule. Tony (talk) 12:30, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Genuinely many thanks for your clarification, as this has not been effectively communicated so far.Fleets (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hello User:Fleets. There may still be time for you to avoid a block for edit warring if you will respond to this notice and agree to leave the redirects alone. EdJohnston (talk) 14:43, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm happily engaging, and perfectly willing to continue to do so.Fleets (talk) 15:23, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Ways to improve Blake Taaffe

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Can you look at 404 error on the Rugby League Project reference please

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Team names in Info Box

Just a quick question, if the team name is Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs, Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks, Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles etc, why do we have to put Canterbury Bulldogs, Cronulla Sharks etc in the Info Box of players??. Couldn't we just wrap the text so it all fits in there?.Sully198787 (talk) 11:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, I think people objected to the overly long full names that were seen to be excessively long for the infobox. I've got no great issues against the full name, but I can see where some people are coming from, as the South Sydney Rabbitohs is obviously a much longer name than the Wests Tigers. Aesthetic reasons would be my guess.Fleets (talk) 07:44, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

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Blank lines

As we discussed here last year, requiring blank lines to be left in place in a template is neither necessary nor helpful, and certainly not something that ought to be used to justify reverting other edits or edit-warred over. Please stop doing that. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:11, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Again: adding blank parameters is not an appropriate cause for reverting other edits. If you really want to have the blank parameters, even though there is absolutely no reason to, you can add them back in manually without undoing other changes. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I have zero issue with you do that.Fleets (talk) 15:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure how the above was unclear, stop removing the entire line. Please feel free to remove the number, but there are numerous instances where it is necessary to resize the image.Fleets (talk) 12:26, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure how the above was unclear, but there is absolutely no need to retain the entire line, and it is wholly inappropriate to revert solely because you want to have a blank line. If you want the blank line there, you can add it without undoing other changes. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not an autism hunter, so I'm just going to leave you be.Fleets (talk) 14:45, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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Danny Wicks

Hi Fleets! Could you please help me understand why you reverted my edit to Danny Wicks? By restoring the unsupported |nickname=, you readded the article to Category:Pages using infobox rugby league biography with unknown parameters. Also, the date format should not have ordinals per WP:DATEFORMAT. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Removal of cited sources.Fleets (talk) 17:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I see you also undid the edit by Squared.Circle.Boxing and restored the unsupported |nickname= from the infobox. How do suggest we remove the article from Category:Pages using infobox rugby league biography with unknown parameters? Should the nickname and reference be moved to another part of article? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, go ahead, knock yourself out.Fleets (talk) 20:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done! GoingBatty (talk) 01:38, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Nice one.Fleets (talk) 07:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

If you continue with your WP:POINTy and WP:DISRUPTIVE edits, you'll be reported. – ².O.^Boxing 10:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

You are the one removing cited sources, or demanding ones for the name Daniel.Fleets (talk) 10:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)