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It's trying to communicate ––FormalDude talk 06:18, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
nerd -- TNT (talk • she/they) 01:19, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
at least i'm not a programmer ––FormalDude talk 03:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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Contrats, Dude! What a great choice of article to improve. Firefangledfeathers 17:48, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks you two! ––FormalDude talk 21:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
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Hello! I remembered you giving me a good soda and a peer reviewer on SpaceX Starship, some of which I still referencing whenever I tried to improve the article. Now, it is more comprehensive than before, and I think you are interested to drop some comment on Starship's second peer review. (Ignore the deletion tag, it is likely resolved now and await for closure.) CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 09:52, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

@CactiStaccingCrane: Thanks for the offer! The article does look great. This is where my editing skills kind of taper off, as I don't have much experience with the fine details it takes to get an article to FA. I'll be happy to take a look though and see if I can provide any feedback. ––FormalDude talk 10:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Any feedback is very appreciated! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 10:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hello FormalDude: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Justiyaya 23:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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What a beautiful greeting. Thank you very much for the kind words, Justiyaya. Happy holidays! ––FormalDude talk 00:31, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

For your silly edit on TheresNoTime's user page. wizzito | say hello! 01:31, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

no u ––FormalDude talk 03:58, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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 Done. ––FormalDude talk 23:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Closing a Steele Dossier RfC

Hi, Regarding your RfC close in Talk:Steele Dossier = "There is no consensus to remove the content. The two sentences will stay in." Even if it's true that a majority in favour of removal is "no consensus", WP:NOCON doesn't say it follows that the sentences should stay in when living persons are involved. WP:BLPUNDEL says "When material about living persons has been deleted on good-faith BLP objections, any editor wishing to add, restore, or undelete it must ensure it complies with Wikipedia's content policies. If it is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first." Can you explain why you believe this policy should not apply? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 15:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

@Peter Gulutzan: You're right, that's my mistake. I've changed my closure accordingly. ––FormalDude talk 16:09, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you! I removed. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 18:01, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Invocation of BLP for this specific content is unwarranted and violates balance/NPOV. While Peter himself may not be consciously part of the effort, this still serves to aid a long-standing effort to gradually delete properly-sourced views from one side of the political spectrum, only leaving the views of Trump supporters and their denials of the Trump campaign's involvement in illicit contacts with Russians and downplaying of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.

Both are well-documented facts, and many RS have noted how, regardless of the issues with other parts of the dossier, certain parts of the dossier were correct on exactly those two points. Mayer is an award-winning journalist whose views on that subject should not be suppressed, but that's exactly what this does. Deleting those parts amounts to political whitewashing. The RfC was bogus from the start, and regardless of how several of us tried to appease Peter by making many adjustments, he refused to accept these changes, leaving the RfC active, instead of withdrawing it. A violation of several policies is now accepted? That's not right. -- Valjean (talk) 18:24, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

@Valjean: You make good points, but I'm having a hard time seeing how it's not BLP content. I don't see how an outcome of no consensus here can result, policy-wise, in keeping the content. ––FormalDude talk 19:08, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Then we should look at the two sentences he targeted and analyze them while thinking about a major focus of WP:BLP, which is to delete "unsourced or poorly sourced" negative content:

Jane Mayer said this part of the dossier seems true, even if the name of an official may have been wrong. Page's congressional testimony confirmed he held meetings with top Moscow and Rosneft officials, during which Page conceded under questioning by Adam Schiff that the "potential sale of a significant percentage of Rosneft" might have been "briefly mentioned".[1][2]

That content is not unsourced or poorly sourced, and hardly "negative", unless one sees anything from mainstream RS which undermines Carter Page's deceptive and evasive testimony as a dangerous BLP violation. In that sense, raising BLP objections is a bogus misuse of BLP per WP:CRYBLP.

It's even more egregious when one considers that Peter refused to accept this much improved "version which combines all improvements and alters and leaves out several things you didn't like in the first two sentences":

Jane Mayer said this part of the dossier seems true, even if the name of an official may have been wrong.[1] Page's congressional testimony confirmed he met with Andrey Baranov, who was Rosneft's chief of investor relations,[3] and Page conceded under questioning by Adam Schiff that the "potential sale of a significant percentage of Rosneft" might have been "briefly mentioned".[1][4]

That version was mentioned in the RfC. Knowing his views toward the improved version which resolved his objections, there isn't much hope for improving that content, and that's not right. BTW, "no consensus" would favor keeping such long-standing content. A normal discussion would have resulted in an improvement (we're ALWAYS open for improvement!), but now even that improvement is blocked as Peter and his supporters at the RfC will just object again because the main objective hasn't yet been achieved (see my comments on his talk page). -- Valjean (talk)

Okay, it seems that per policy (Material that has been repaired to address concerns should be judged on a case-by-case basis), the content should be left in since it was altered to address the primary concerns, and is, per the RfC, undoubtedly sourced, even if there is no consensus. I also believe that in cases of no consensus, status quo should apply, and that would have us leave the content in. So for those reasons, and everything Valjean has said, I'm revising the close one final time. ––FormalDude talk 19:56, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. I would then like to install the improved version, whereupon it can be "judged on a case-by-case basis". The improved content was denied that option. -- Valjean (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
@Valjean: I've updated my closure, please go ahead. ––FormalDude talk 20:02, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 Done. Please keep an eye on the article and talk page. -- Valjean (talk) 20:06, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
FormalDude: WP:CRYBLP is just an essay which cannot override a policy, WP:BLP still applies unless Valjean clearly states removal was done in bad faith, and when one says status quo one generally means the status quo ante, i.e. the version before Valjean inserted the sentences. And as for the claim about repairing: The RfC was made because Valjean discouraged continuation of prior discussion. When Valjean edited during the RfC I said Valjean, Responding to an RfC says "Edits to content under RfC discussion may be particularly controversial. Avoid making edits that others may view as unhelpful. Editing after others have raised objections may be viewed as disruptive editing or edit warring." I view your edit as unhelpful -- it's belated, it's only a fix for part of the problems, it even adds a new problem, citing a site that calls itself a blog. I object and reaffirm my !vote is Remove. Voters after that were perfectly aware of Valjean's act. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 15:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Peter, your dislike of Jane Mayer is not a policy-based reason for deleting her very qualified POV on the subject. She's a very respected and award-winning investigative journalist whose in-depth articles are very informative. She does good research.

What part of BLP is really a concern here?

You write "status quo ante, i.e. the version before Valjean inserted the sentences." That's utter nonsense. It means back to the version before YOU tried to delete that VERY long-standing content. It's been there, with various wordings, since at least March 2018, and has undergone several slight tweaks and improvements by many editors. It's not some obscure part of the article that has never been scrutinized.

Blog? Our guideline about use of blogs is old (from when they were only amateur personal diaries) and is directed at personal blogs by non-experts of the diary type. We don't use them. Otherwise, the blog format and easy to use software is used by corporations, politicians, and others, many of which we consider RS here, so don't fixate on the word "blog". Just Security is respected and widely used here and is operated by legal subject matter experts who do good and solid work.

Here's what Jane Mayer wrote:

It’s too early to make a final judgment about how much of Steele’s dossier will be proved wrong, but a number of Steele’s major claims have been backed up by subsequent disclosures. His allegation that the Kremlin favored Trump in 2016 and was offering his campaign dirt on Hillary has been borne out. So has his claim that the Kremlin and WikiLeaks were working together to release the D.N.C.’s e-mails. Key elements of Steele’s memos on Carter Page have held up, too, including the claim that Page had secret meetings in Moscow with Rosneft and Kremlin officials. Steele may have named the wrong oil-company official, but, according to recent congressional disclosures, he was correct that a top Rosneft executive talked to Page about a payoff. According to the Democrats’ report, when Page was asked if a Rosneft executive had offered him a “potential sale of a significant percentage of Rosneft,” Page said, “He may have briefly mentioned it.” (BOLD added.)[1]

This comes down to what really happened vs what Steele wrote. Did he write the wrong name (Sechin)? Yes. Does that mean the allegation is totally false? Only on a technicality because of the name. ONLY THAT PART, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Page's secret meetings still happened; he lied about them; then under oath he did all he could to avoid telling what really happened: He DID meet with Sechin's right-hand man; they DID discuss sanctions and the Rosneft sale. So was Steele basically right? Yes indeed, and Newsweek, Mayer, and others have noted that fact. The devil is in the details, and by removing these details, the baby gets thrown out so Page looks like an innocent angel who never lied or kept his many meetings with top Russian officials secret. We even go so far as to include his deceptive denial.

Carter Page is very evasive, and, under oath, he squirms and tries every legal trick to not admit the facts, but he also knows better than to outright lie to Congress. His testimony is painful to read. He wastes page after page of testimony as he dodges providing direct answers to simple questions. Schiff finally gets to this point with all of Page's forced "may"bes: "MR. SCHIFF: I'm not asking if there were definitive, Dr. Page, but you seem to be indicating that you may have had some discussion of sanctions and you may have had some discussion of the sale of a part of Rosneft with the head of investor relations for Rosneft, Mr. Baranov. Is that right?" Ultimately, Page is forced to admit that it did happen, not "may" have happened. So why is he evasive about this? Baranov is Sechin's right-hand man, and he represented Sechin when he spoke to Page. Sechin is like Trump. He let's others do his dirty work, always thinking of plausible deniability. When Page was speaking to Baranov, he was essentially speaking to Sechin, and when Baranov was speaking to Page, "According to Harding, Baranov was "almost certainly" "relaying Sechin's wishes"."

There are editors who don't like what Jane Mayer wrote about this, and they don't like that we document the fact that under oath Page was forced to admit things he had previously denied and blatantly lied about out of court, things that lend credibility to Steele's reporting. It's also possible to get a small group of such editors together and create a local consensus that undermines policies. That's what's happening here. Such a consensus should be ignored and should even be punished with sanctions.

We are supposed to document these things, not hide them, as these editors are trying to do. There is no good policy-based reason, including any bogus BLP concerns, for deleting this content. The content has been improved to meet several of Peter's concerns, bending over backward to make sure no policies are ignored, yet he persists in his efforts to delete this content, even after those improvements. His reasoning for deleting it is now based on ethereal and nebulous personal wishes, not policies. He needs to drop this matter and move on. Continued efforts in this direction are clearly tendentious, and my sincerest efforts to AGF toward him are stretched beyond reasonable measure. AGF is not a suicide pact, and he will be observed much more closely from now on. Just a superficial look at some of his edits are already worrying. -- Valjean (talk) 18:23, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Peter Gulutzan and Valjean: My decision on the closure is final and I will not be altering it again. This was not a simple RfC and I hope both sides can take pride in reaching a compromise, but, please feel free to address any further concerns at WP:AN per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE. Thank you both for your time and effort devoted to making sure we follow policy. ––FormalDude talk 03:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
FormalDude: I hope your decision was not influenced by Valjean's comments about me. I will not take it to WP:CLOSECHALLENGE. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b c Mayer, Jane (March 12, 2018). "Christopher Steele, the Man Behind the Trump Dossier". The New Yorker. Retrieved March 6, 2018.
  2. ^ "Testimony of Carter Page". United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. November 2, 2017. p. 139. Retrieved November 24, 2021.
    MR. SCHIFF: Dr. Page, this is my specific question: Did you or did you not discuss with Mr. Baranov in July a potential sale of a significant percentage of Rosneft?
    MR. PAGE: I can't recall any discussion.
    MR. SCHIFF: So you may have, but you don't recall.
    MR. PAGE: He may have briefly mentioned it when we were looking up from this Portugal—Ronaldo, whoever the—you know, the goals that are being scored. That may have come up. But I have no definitive recollection of that. And, certainly, what never came up, certainly, was my involvement in any—that type of a transaction.
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference Afkhami_2/5/2018 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ "Testimony of Carter Page" (PDF). United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. 2017-11-02. p. 139. Retrieved 2021-11-24.
    MR. SCHIFF: Dr. Page, this is my specific question: Did you or did you not discuss with Mr. Baranov in July a potential sale of a significant percentage of Rosneft?
    MR. PAGE: I can't recall any discussion.
    MR. SCHIFF: So you may have, but you don't recall.
    MR. PAGE: He may have briefly mentioned it when we were looking up from this Portugal—Ronaldo, whoever the—you know, the goals that are being scored. That may have come up. But I have no definitive recollection of that. And, certainly, what never came up, certainly, was my involvement in any—that type of a transaction.

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Your removal of reliably sourced content from Chinese government response to COVID-19

Hi, In this edit you completely removed the "Refusal to cooperate with second phase of WHO investigation" chapter from Chinese government response to COVID-19, citing "NPOV". The chapter was sourced with CNN, The New York Times, BBC and Science — very strong sources. The Chinese refusal was considered a significant issue as evident from the sources. Can you elaborate on what is the "NPOV" problem on having this information in Wikipedia? Thanks --Sankari (talk) 09:43, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sankari: Sorry for the delayed response. My NPOV concern with the content was WP:DUEWEIGHT. If you feel differently feel free to restore the content or start a discussion at the article talk page. ––FormalDude talk 06:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Acoustic Truth-Help

Dear Formal Dude, Thank you for your help with the draft I submitted. I am a newbie, so I really appreciate it! Barbie1979 (talk) 17:10, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

@Barbie1979: No problem! ––FormalDude talk 00:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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2. I have 1 picture up on Commons, need to take more soon... I keep promising myself.... wizzito | say hello! 08:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions on COVID-19

Hi FormalDude, thanks for your message about discretionary sanctions on articles related to WP:COVID-19. I do indeed spend quite a bit of time trying to improve COVID-19 articles. I'm curious as to what the process is if I have concerns about particular editors; Covid Sweden and Covid UK have particularly been challenging articles to edit and I have been concerned by certain editors (in my view) not adhering to COVID-19 WP:MEDRS, WP:Disruptive editing and WP:NPOV policies. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 09:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

@Arcahaeoindris: It's a bit of a complicated process. The easiest thing to do is to reach out to an administrator with concerns and they can help determine the best course of action. They may recommend you file a report at WP:ANI. You also have the option of raising concerns at WP:NPOVN and WP:FTN at any time. ––FormalDude talk 21:03, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Asking to self-revert your recent reversion at 2021 United States Capitol attack

Yes, your edit was a mistake. Please self revert: [2] (ADL), [3] (Daily Caller), and page 15 of [4] (George Washington University). The article cited a demographic analysis by NPR, which is found to be wanting in these three sources. I removed the analysis, and I think these three sources will persuade you that the NPR demographic analysis does not belong in the article.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
@Epiphyllumlover: Daily Caller and the Federalist are not reliable sources. ADL and Geourge Washington University are. If you want to add content from either of those sources please do so, but I don't believe they directly contradict the NPR claim. ––FormalDude talk 22:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
The sources I linked to in the comment were linked to from the Federalist url in the comment history. ADL also discusses another figure which is close, but not quite what NPR found. The issue ADL and the other sources have with the NPR claim is not the percentage of participation, but the standard of comparison. It is actually evidence against an undue military-related participation in what happened. The text I removed stated, "An analysis by National Public Radio showed that nearly 20% of defendants charged in relation to the attack served in the military; in the general population, 7% of all American adults are veterans." It was misleading for them to compare military participation to the general population. The wikitext I removed still should be removed from the article. I left the article as is, for you to self-revert.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:40, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
@Epiphyllumlover: This is reason to remove the comparison then, not the statistic. So are you okay changing it to just "An analysis by National Public Radio showed that nearly 20% of defendants charged in relation to the attack served in the military"? ––FormalDude talk 22:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Between the ADL and the university, which do you prefer? You could keep the NPR source for a truncated statement similar to this suggestion, and also add to it in the same sentence or a second sentence that the military percentage was comparable to an ordinary sampling of adult men.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:51, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
@Epiphyllumlover: I prefer the ADL since it's greenlighted at WP:RSP and secondary, and also mentions the university source.
It seems NPR and the ADL are making different claims though. NPR refers to those charges, while ADL refers to those participating. So there is a potential for discrepancy, which it seems there is, and theoretically, we should include both. Something like "Nearly 20% of defendants charged in relation to the attack and about 12% of the participants in general were reported to have served in the military." ––FormalDude talk 22:58, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
It is acceptable to report both figures; will you also include a discussion comparing it to the expected percentage from adult men in general?--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 23:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
@Epiphyllumlover: I've updated the article to include both. Not sure of the best way to include the comparison, maybe you can add that part. ––FormalDude talk 01:15, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you! I went and did that. I will copy and paste this discussion to my talk page for reference.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Looks good! Thanks for your help. ––FormalDude talk 03:03, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Hi sir I was sorry ,I by mistake edited some other page I will never repeat it , so can you please forgive me. Thank You Sir and please reply. 115.96.144.49 (talk) 06:07, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@115.96.144.49: No worries, but please do be careful and make sure you're following reliable sources. ––FormalDude talk 06:18, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks bro for replying ,I won't do any unconstructive editing that's my promise.Thanks 115.96.144.49 (talk) 06:23, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Hey Just now I saw someone else is using my I'd or my account to edit pages can you please help me , otherwise because of his disruptive editing I might get blocked for nothing. 115.96.144.49 (talk) 10:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Yes I can help you: CREATEANACCOUNT. ––FormalDude talk 11:29, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
      • I don't want any account it would be better if you block me for a day that might help separate the accounts Thank You. 115.96.144.49 (talk) 11:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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Userbox question

Hi FormalDude! I'm sorry to keep coming to you for help.. You created a userbox for me in the past (which I loved,) and I wanted to see if you could help with creating a userbox that states I am a fan of the show Psych. Off color, I know, but maybe the UBX can read, "this user is a Psych-o" with a picture of the show's logo beside it. Just an idea, but I'm having trouble trying to create it myself. I would appreciate any help you can give. Thank you again!!! Spf121188 (talk) 15:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

@Spf121188: No problem, how's this: User:FormalDude/sandbox2? ––FormalDude talk 16:28, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
That is EXCELLENT!! Thank you so much!!! Spf121188 (talk) 16:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
@Spf121188: It's yours then! ☺ Moved to: User:Spf121188/userbox/psych ––FormalDude talk 16:40, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
I really appreciate it! I'll look at the guidance you showed me before t try and get this whole UBX thing down, but I can't thank you enough! Spf121188 (talk) 16:45, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Plural form of "Dignity"

Per this edit, which was the correct one? "Dignities" or "Dignitys"? AFAIK, the plural form of proper noun ended with "y" shouldn't be ended with "ies". 101.128.126.206 (talk) 10:45, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Dignities is the plural form of dignity. ––FormalDude talk 10:50, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Alright then, even if it was treated as a proper noun. 101.128.126.206 (talk) 10:52, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Well now I'm not sure actually. ––FormalDude talk 10:54, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'll keep the previous status quo until a new discussion happens. I'm not so sure either. 101.128.126.206 (talk) 10:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Looks like you're right! I changed it in the article. ––FormalDude talk 11:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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that DS notice.

I am not complaining about the notice. I just want to know how you did it. I recently attempted to give one and failed miserably. Adoring nanny (talk) 03:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@Adoring nanny: I may not be the best one to give advice on this, considering I failed pretty miserably myself on your talk page lol. Typically I use User:Bellezzasolo/Scripts/arb, which is a user script that allows you to generate the DS template for any topic with a couple of clicks. Apparently it is not working for the COVID-19 general sanction topic though right now, as it produced an error when I tried using it on your talk page. So this time I just copied and pasted the template manually from Template:Ds/alert using the code {{subst:alert|covid}}. ––FormalDude talk 03:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
(talk page watcher): I use subst:alert|topiccode as well. I'll say that it really helps to look through WP:AWARE and ensure the user isn't already formally aware. Adoring nanny was technically already 'aware' due to participation in a recent Arb Enforcement request. Unless I'm creating the talk page, I always check the history of the page using the tag filter "discretionary sanctions alert". For reasonably active editors, I'll also check their contribution history with the same tag filter, to see if they've notified anyone else about DS in that topic area. For active editors, especially ones who have been editing for a while in the topic area, I'll look their Wikipedia space contribs and ctrl-f for "arbitration" to see if they are aware that way.
Best of luck to you as you engage in this boring work to buttress a broken system! Firefangledfeathers 03:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Whatever, I don't care, searching in four different places isn't exactly easy, and as I said I don't mind. Best of luck to you both, thanks. Adoring nanny (talk) 11:21, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
As a general matter, how does one find the topiccode? Adoring nanny (talk) 15:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@Adoring nanny Think there is a list here (please correct me if I'm wrong here) Justiyaya 16:26, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hi there FormalDude. Hope you are doing well. I'm reaching out simply to ask if you'd be interested in reviewing the article Nicole Kidman for GA status. I noticed you recently reviewed and promoted the article Timothée Chalamet to GA status (an article I watch and occasionally edit), which is why I was hoping you would be interested in reviewing this article I've been working on for a while. I nominated it a while back and at one point, a user did begin reviewing it, but for some reason they withdrew. I understand if you're not interested or are too busy at the moment, but if you are willing, I'd appreciate the review. Don't feel obliged to respond, but if you have any thoughts regarding the article, please do let me know. Thank you for your attention and have a great day. — Film Enthusiast✉ 23:15, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Film Enthusiast! I am actually participating in the January 2022 GAN Backlog Drive, and I've been meaning to review at least one more, so this is perfect. Thanks for reaching out, I'll get started on the review soon. ––FormalDude talk 02:49, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

One promotion edit, but also

In response to your ping over here, see this. This account specifically was also a bad username, they were copy pasting promotional content from a website with the same name as the account. Usually accounts that also have a promotional name and also make promotional edits get spam blocked without any questions. 11:52, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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Revert of my edit at Joe Biden

You reverted my edit here: [5] The sentence I put back, Biden completed the withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan by September 2021; during this, the Afghan government fell and the Taliban seized control, causing Biden to face criticism over the manner of withdrawal, with allegations of poor planning., was longstanding text that had been there for months. The sentence you reverted to was one Neutrality made up yesterday. You need to restore my edit because it reflected longstanding text. If neutrality wants to change longstanding text, they can go to the talk page.Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Iamreallygoodatcheckers: You did not address any of the issues mentioned by Neutrality in their edit summary. As they said, this text needs consensus for inclusion. The fact that it has existed without objection does not constitute consensus. ––FormalDude talk 04:24, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Thats not how the WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle works. If I went and made a change on Joe Biden and someone reverted, no one has the right to restore it without being discussed first. Neutrality made a brand new content inclusion and I reverted. At that point it goes to talk page, not restored by you, and now I'm expected to challenge it. There is also no consensus for Neutrality's edit, the custom is to go back to longstanding text. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
@Iamreallygoodatcheckers: Neutrality's edit was not a bold one. They simply removed problematic content on policy-based justification. You cannot just restore that content without explanation. ––FormalDude talk 04:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Any edit that changes the text is bold. If content on a highly watched page such as this one is left unscathed for months it's WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS. What Neutrality did was make change, I reverted to the status quo, and now we are supposed to go to talk, but no hers is restored and the status quo is abandanded. Lets say Neutrality removed the entire second paragraph of the lead, would this same principle apply for her revision to be kept until everyone else had a consensus that the entire second paragraph was needed? Or would we just go back to keeping the second paragraph until Neutrality could garner a consensus to remove it? Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:48, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I will not be restoring your edit as you did not address the problems with the content that Neutrality mentioned in their edit summary of the removal. ––FormalDude talk 04:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
How about it removes content that is cited in the body, has been extensively covered in RS, and it's been there for 5 months. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Q

Hello. You shut down an RFC and proposed to remove another one that just opened. The reason I opened them as RFC is because both Talk pages are basically ghostowns. If I post a normal discussion here, the only answer I'll get is from the user with an history of ownership issues that says "no" to anything I type. Yet this was allowed, and lasted less than two weeks. What's the way to do this with this considered? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Cornerstonepicker: If you're only getting feedback from one other editor, I recommend going to WP:3O. ––FormalDude talk 22:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Ok, just posted on the talk page as a normal discussion. If that's the case (almost no response), I'll do as recommended. Thanks! Cornerstonepicker (talk) 23:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Creating Foodshed.io Wikipedia Article

Hello@FormalDude:! I am working on a draft for Foodshed.io. Foodshed.io is a company that specializes in local food systems. I found several sources to justify notability, I noticed you had edited the local food systems wikipedia page and I was wondering if you take a look at the draft and offer feedback. I do have a COI with the topic, I will not directly create the article but would appreciate any help from more neutral parties. Thank you in advance!

Ecazart (talk) 19:54, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ecazart, and thank you for reaching out. I greatly appreciate you declaring your COI in-line with Wikipedia's policy, and I'd be happy to take a look at the article for you. ––FormalDude talk 21:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you @FormalDude:! I appreciate you taking the time to look at it, please let me know if you think the page needs any other sources or if you have any questions I can help with.
Ecazart (talk) 21:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
@Ecazart: It looks pretty good, I've made some changes. There is one source that I tagged as primary which needs corroboration by an independent source. Other than that, the article would appear to pass WP:NCORP, meaning it is considered notable for Wikipedia because it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.
In my capacity as an article for creation reviewer, I'd be willing to publish this draft to mainspace for you if you'd like. ––FormalDude talk 22:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Good call on the sources, I have two other ones that may be more appropriate. One is from the program website, the other one is from Biz Journals. If neither of these are appropriate, we should remove that sentence.
It would be great if you could bring this to the mainspace for Wikipedia, I appreciate your help on this new page!
Ecazart (talk) 22:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
@Ecazart: The first one is also primary, being from the program website. The second one is perfect, as there is a consensus on Wikipedia that The Business Journals is a reliable source. I'll fix that now and publish the article! ––FormalDude talk 22:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
@FormalDude: Great, thank you!! Please let me know if there are any future pages we can collaborate on. Have a great rest of your day! Ecazart (talk) 22:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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I took a look at WP:CANVAS, and I think this is allowed. I would be particularly interested in your input at User talk:Adoring nanny/sandbox/cgr. Adoring nanny (talk) 05:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

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Adopt

Would you adopt me? I would like if you adopt me. What are the criteria that I need to meet before you can adopt me? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 08:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: I don't have any criteria at this time other than a willingness to commit. If you plan on being an active Wikipedia editor who contributes on a weekly basis at least (which it looks like you are) then I'm happy to adopt you.
How would you like your adoption to be structured? We can have it be more like a program where I give you assignments and offer feedback, or I can simply set up a place for you to ask me questions so I can provide guidance to you as you need it. ––FormalDude talk 13:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok, but a few more questions before I say yes.
1. How many does will this 'course' continue?
2. I am actually a little busy in real life, so I may not edit everyday. So is that OK? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 03:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible:
  1. There's not a set length, and it depends how quickly you work and gain experience, but I anticipate we would be working together for at least two months.
  2. It is perfectly fine if you don't edit everyday, however, you should aim to edit at least on a weekly basis.
Let me know if that works for you or if you have any other questions! ––FormalDude talk 03:42, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
And one final question. Can I take wiki breaks in between? Is that allowed? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 03:43, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible: Yes, Wikibreaks are allowed. I'd just ask that you let me know when you're going to be taking a break that is longer than one week. ––FormalDude talk 03:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Would you check your email once please. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 03:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible: Responded. ––FormalDude talk 03:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok so on those terms, I accept to become your student. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 03:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Glad to have you! ––FormalDude talk 04:04, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
@FormalDude thanks a lot. I am also excited to have you as my teacher. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 04:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok, but can you adopt me twice. For example for this time I select option 2. After completing the adoption, I again want to be adopted but this time as per option 1. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 04:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible: I've created your adoption school at User:FormalDude/Mentorship/Itcouldbepossible. ––FormalDude talk 15:39, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for accepting me as your student. In my previous reply, I have already said my opinion. So I want to select option no 2. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 02:50, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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For your work on antivandalism. Thanks for keeping the wiki clean. Rlink2 (talk) 14:09, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

And also, I added a new song, if you don't mind..... Rlink2 (talk) 14:16, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2: Thank you very much! Appreciate the music. ––FormalDude talk 21:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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