User talk:Fortheloveofbacon/Archive 2
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January 2012
Andy
- Speaking as a bacon-loving vegetarian (It's been hard - we have meetings to go to), I'm not at all suprised if there are issues of "identity overlap" between these two accounts. However I strongly feel that any blocking of this account for such a matter would be no more than punitive and far from assisting the encyclopedia. If the baconlover transgresses on their account's own terms, then block away. For past history though, there's no need for it at all and if there's no need I ask if the reason is instead more to do with past attitudes than current judgement. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm unclear on exactly what you mean. Could you rephrase? Fortheloveofbacon (talk) 13:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- He's suspicioning that you are, in fact, a sock of a no-longer-banned user. And I share that suspicion. After a 20-month absence, your first act was to go after an article that's about an admin's real life. That smells as fishy as lutefisk in the mid-summer sun. At the very least, it looks like a bad-faith nomination. If you've edited under other user ID's and/or IP's, telling us who they are might restore some good faith. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I have not edited under any other usernames. I could have edited under any IP in the 12/8 18/8 128.83/16 or 4/8 netblocks. And even if I did have a list of what all my dynamic IP assignments have been, I would not write them here. That said, this Love of Bacon guy sees no reason that we can not interact. I mean, I'm talking to Andy, and he's a vegetarian! I am disheartened that it was my choice of name that caused this ruckus. If I'd been BroccoliBoy instead, I am confident that I wouldn't have had to defend myself. The AfD probably would have still been contentious (I'm still not convinced this contention is a bad thing in this instance. And in any case, past misbehavior by other individuals should't take the topic off the table, prima facie.) Not knowing anything about this other guy, it is impossible for me to point out any differences between us. I do not even think he edited the Rubin article, although I am not aware of all of his pseudonyms.Fortheloveofbacon (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- He's suspicioning that you are, in fact, a sock of a no-longer-banned user. And I share that suspicion. After a 20-month absence, your first act was to go after an article that's about an admin's real life. That smells as fishy as lutefisk in the mid-summer sun. At the very least, it looks like a bad-faith nomination. If you've edited under other user ID's and/or IP's, telling us who they are might restore some good faith. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether I'm suspicious or not isn't the point. I see any questions as to identity as simply unimportant. If this is a recycled ChildOfMidnight, then what of it? Block's long gone, anything else is way past stale. We should give Fortheloveofbacon a clear run at being an editor, same as anyone else. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, Andy. I appreciate it. Fortheloveofbacon (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether I'm suspicious or not isn't the point. I see any questions as to identity as simply unimportant. If this is a recycled ChildOfMidnight, then what of it? Block's long gone, anything else is way past stale. We should give Fortheloveofbacon a clear run at being an editor, same as anyone else. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- From my standpoint, it IS important, for this reason: I am on an interaction ban with the editor you've named. I need to know whether I am also implicitly on an interaction ban with this Love of Bacon guy. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Then it would surely be in your interests to behave impeccably towards this new editor. If they behave in one of those regrettable manners that lead towards topic bans (which I'm sure of course they wouldn't), then you would however have a cast-iron demonstration of your own innocence, as you had already been assured that they were a different editor. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- If the powers that be are convinced this is not the same guy (as I've been assured on WP:ANI), then no problem. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Then it would surely be in your interests to behave impeccably towards this new editor. If they behave in one of those regrettable manners that lead towards topic bans (which I'm sure of course they wouldn't), then you would however have a cast-iron demonstration of your own innocence, as you had already been assured that they were a different editor. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Since you've apparently had some interaction with this other guy, perhaps I should tell you a bit about myself and how I came to be here under this name. This was an account that I made while I was in undergrad (this was two and a half years ago. yikes). I literally had to dig up the log-in information out of a box of notebooks. I did so because I understood it to be proper procedure to maintain only one account. So, to me, I may as well have just created this user. I've never had qualms about fixing punctuation, spelling, or blatant vandalism from an IP. But I'd like to get more involved, and to do that I need an identity. Well, imagine my consternation when less than 24 hours after I decide to do this, my account is blocked. Apparently this guy had quite a reputation. But 1) I made one vandalism revert to the article on Doritos and 2) My name has the word "bacon" in it. Put yourself in my shoes, logging in for the first time since you've finished school... I guess it quacked for some people. But, my discussion with arbcom went quite quickly, as you can see. If you still have doubts, and you want to voice them, I think we both potentially have something to gain from that. If you'd like to inquire with and admin or an arbitrator, please do whatever you think will put your mind at ease. Fortheloveofbacon (talk) 22:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, let's just say that if you are him, your demeanor has changed dramatically for the better. :) In any case, I foresee no further problems between you and me. Cheerio. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Let's... just not say that. Fortheloveofbacon (talk)
- I replied to you on the Drv, the readers' digest version is that I hope you are not deterred from contributing further to the project. We actually have an essay (Wikipedia:Lurkers) that highlights the problem you've encountered here, unless a new user acts totally clueless people assume he is a sock. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:48, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Let's... just not say that. Fortheloveofbacon (talk)
- Well, let's just say that if you are him, your demeanor has changed dramatically for the better. :) In any case, I foresee no further problems between you and me. Cheerio. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Since you've apparently had some interaction with this other guy, perhaps I should tell you a bit about myself and how I came to be here under this name. This was an account that I made while I was in undergrad (this was two and a half years ago. yikes). I literally had to dig up the log-in information out of a box of notebooks. I did so because I understood it to be proper procedure to maintain only one account. So, to me, I may as well have just created this user. I've never had qualms about fixing punctuation, spelling, or blatant vandalism from an IP. But I'd like to get more involved, and to do that I need an identity. Well, imagine my consternation when less than 24 hours after I decide to do this, my account is blocked. Apparently this guy had quite a reputation. But 1) I made one vandalism revert to the article on Doritos and 2) My name has the word "bacon" in it. Put yourself in my shoes, logging in for the first time since you've finished school... I guess it quacked for some people. But, my discussion with arbcom went quite quickly, as you can see. If you still have doubts, and you want to voice them, I think we both potentially have something to gain from that. If you'd like to inquire with and admin or an arbitrator, please do whatever you think will put your mind at ease. Fortheloveofbacon (talk) 22:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Arthur Rubin AFD
I read about this AFD which you created and was closed early, and I agree with you that the early closure was incorrect. I have taken it to deletion review, and your comments are welcome at the discussion there. Robofish (talk) 18:11, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I wrote over there, but I think I screwed up the formatting, or probably did something else that made people grumpy. I couldn't for the life of me get the editor to do a line-break and indent. Maybe that will convince them that I'm a n00b and not a professional article deleting miscreant :/ Fortheloveofbacon (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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