User talk:Frank1ray

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Speedy deletion of Randy Leonard[edit]

A tag has been placed on Randy Leonard requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

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April 2009[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from Randy Leonard, a page you have created yourself. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, you can place a {{hangon}} tag on the page, under the existing speedy deletion tag (please do not remove the speedy deletion tag), and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. —LedgendGamer 02:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've read the material you left with the associated "hangon" tag on Randy Leonard. You may want to look at the Wikipedia policy page at WP:POLITICIAN which states, essentially, that politicians don't become sufficiently notable to be the subject of Wikipedia articles until they represent an entire state or are the subject of significant (by which I assume national-level) media attention in reliable sources. Neither seems to be the case here, and whatever is rumoured about him is of no verifiability at all, so I've decided to agree with the individual who tagged the article for speedy deletion. You might find WP:Why was my article deleted? and WP:Your first article to be further sources of useful information. Best of luck with your future contributions. Accounting4Taste:talk 03:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD Nomination: Randy Leonard[edit]

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but all Wikipedia articles must meet our criteria for inclusion (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Since it does not seem that Randy Leonard meets these criteria, an editor has started a discussion about whether this article should be kept or deleted.

Your opinion on whether this article meets the inclusion criteria is welcome. Please contribute to the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randy Leonard. Don't forget to add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of each of your comments to sign them.

Discussions such as these usually last five days. In the meantime, you are free to edit the content of the article. Please do not remove the "articles for deletion" template (the box at the top). When the discussion has concluded, a neutral third party will consider all comments and decide whether or not to delete the article. Accounting4Taste:talk 04:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I trust this meets your needs as you expressed them to me. You should make your arguments for the article's retention on the page that's linked from the box at the top of the Randy Leonard article, not the talk page of the article itself. My advice would be to find arguments based on Wikipedia policies to use in order to argue for the retention of the article; if it loses this articles for deletion process, it will be deleted permanently without much chance for re-mounting under most normal circumstances. If it survives the process, it will remain in place and have a defense against most further attempts at removal. If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 04:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I closed the debate as Speedy Keep b/c of his status as a state legislator. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 13:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright problem with File:Randy without his mustache.JPG[edit]

Thanks for uploading File:Randy without his mustache.JPG. The image has been identified as not specifying the copyright status of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the copyright status of the image on the image's description page, using an appropriate copyright tag, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided copyright information for them as well.

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This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 07:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image permission problem with Image:Randy without a mustache.JPG[edit]

Image Copyright problem

Thanks for uploading Image:Randy without a mustache.JPG. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the image (or other media file) agreed to license it under the given license.

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Hi. Basically, you have to get the copyright holder to consent to releasing the image into the public domain, and then you need to send them have an email to OTRS (or discuss it between yourselves and then forward the emails). If the image is deleted before this is worked out, feel free to simply reupload it once OTRS permission has been secured. Thanks. :) — neuro^{(talk)(review)} 09:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article creation[edit]

Although you may find local politicians notable, on Wikipedia they are often not considered notable and deleted. Leonard is special in that he was a state senator, which per WP:POLITICIAN means he meets an automatic inclusion criteria. To avoid deletion of the articles you need to establish the notability through sourcing the information using Wikipedia defined reliable sources, such as The Oregonian, The Portland Tribune, Willamette Week, The New York Times, magazines, and other high quality news sources. Blogs, official websites, and the like are either not considered reliable, or in the case of an office holder's website, it is not independent of the person. For local folks like Bemis, you will need likely around 5-10 sources that cover Bemis in an substantial way, not just mention him or only receives a paragraph or two in a long article about MAX crime. This should then make the articles meet notability guidelines for people and avoid not only deletion, but any attempt to delete the article to begin with. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shane Bemis is looking better, but External links are external links, and not considered references, thus they are typically not counted for establishing notability. Work them in as references, for instance I'm sure one of them could substitute for the Gresham city website and anther for his restaurant website. As you may have noticed, other editors have nominated other articles you created for deletion (I was able to save Randy Leonard for you), so if you work in the sources into the body of the article, you can avoid this in the future. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neil Goldschmidt[edit]

Frank, I appreciate that you're trying to improve the Neil Goldschmidt article by changing the phrasing about the sex-with-a-minor scandal. However, you need to understand that this is an issue that a number of people have discussed, and the current version of the text reflects (more or less) a consensus of a number of editors. The extensive discussion is available on the article's talk page if you're interested.

Making changes to that phrasing without first seeking consensus on the talk page is not welcome. I appreciate that you may have a fresh perspective to bring to the deliberation, but the important thing for you to understand is that it is a deliberation, of a community of editors. You are welcome to your opinion, and you are welcome to try to convince others.

But you are not welcome to simply ignore the fact that a number of editors have divergent opinions, and have sought to find acceptable language to discuss the issue. If you continue to make this sort of change to the text without engaging in the discussion, you will be blocked from editing. -Pete (talk) 21:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Frank1ray. You have new messages at Peteforsyth's talk page.
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No worries[edit]

Thanks for the note Frank, and it's not a big deal. I may have been overly harsh in my note above, and I'm sorry for that.

It's not uncommon for people to jump right into the most controversial stuff on Wikipedia, before they have a thorough understanding of how we work together. So sometimes you experience the fallout of a contentious debate that you had nothing to do with. I happen to agree with you that the terminology currently used in the Goldschmidt article could use some improvement, though I don't think the phrasing you used is quite the way to go. It's a very dicey issue. Anyway, this isn't the place to hash that out -- I'll watch for your comments on the Goldschmidt talk page if you want to reopen the discussion. I'm a little hesitant to do so myself as it gets rather ugly rather quickly...but it's a discussion worth having.

Glad to see you building up content on local politicians, and I look forward to working together to build some good articles! -Pete (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested permission from the author.[edit]

Anna DeBennedeto is the author of this image. I have requested permission for it's use. Documentation pending. Frank1ray (talk) 14:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank, in case it helps -- I wrote a blog post a while back discussing the issues of getting portraits on Wikipedia, and describing the easiest way to use the OTRS system to submit a photo. You may want to pass this along to Anna: http://wikiprojectoregon.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/portraits/

Hope this helps, -Pete (talk) 16:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]