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Goat

Hello..

Please can you delete Christian's name off the Goat page you have created. We appreciate the time you have taken to do this page, but the band want to keep anonymity.

Also, small thing, but the band are signed to Rocket and licensed to Stranded, so please swap over the labels and put us first.

Thanks

Chris Rocket Recordings — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.222.147 (talk) 09:01, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but so far as removing Mr Johansson's name is concerned, the answer must be no. The article reflects what has been published in reliable sources. Whether or not you or the band want to "keep anonymity" is not important, given that Johansson's name is already in the public domain. Wikipedia articles are independent, and not a marketing tool. Please keep on producing good music, but I advise you to stay away from editing - or asking others to edit - articles in which you have a conflict of interest. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 01 April 2013

who are you

who are you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackgoody1999 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Someone who zaps vandals. Come back when you grow up. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I say, I say, I say....

"What do Margaret Thatcher and Jimmy Savile have in common? They both screwed with miners in the 1980s" A. Scargill (talk) 19:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
R.I.P. - one of the towering figures of our lives... Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
.. much better ears, it has to be said. Jimmy (talk) 20:37, 8 April 2013 (UTC) Dennis never looked so good. Was about to suggest at WP:ITN/Candidates that she looks like she's got rolled-up black socks on her head, but maybe not ...

The Signpost: 08 April 2013

Out of the mouths of babes (and sucklings)?

Not habitually a reader of The Daily Mail, but this story caught my eye: [1]. For some reason I was reminded of a certain, occasionally outspoken, fellow editor. Although, isn't there a "scum-o-pedia" these days? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Funnily enough, earlier on today I reminded myself of this. He didn't used to be a drummer did he? Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:09, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Haha yes, I think he was. Looking forward to next week's Yoof Yoolageez for the big event... [2] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
I'll be pogoing like it's 1979... Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:26, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Mosh on, dude. Ah yes, Heb, that hot bed of Tory suburban gentility. Don't know if you saw it, but tonight's HIGNFY, with calm and sensible Brian Blessed, was particularly outrageous and enjoyable. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC) p.s. Burnley 's finest!!

Trinity College, Cambridge

Trinity College Recent newspaper reports indicated that portraits of the Duchess of Cambridge's great great grandfather and great great granduncle Sir Charles Lupton are in the Wren library. I KNOW this to be true. Both Sir Charles is obviously a "high-achiever". His great great grandneice is well known. Please tell my vandal to stop the nonsense. This information - we would very much like - to be on the wikipaedia site. Cheers Ted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.167.4.192 (talk) 10:47, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I thank you for your help amd interest. I am convinced that if you read this article below (Guardian) you will see WHY Trinity College Cambridge (article) sees it as imperative that this ancestry reference is included. Cheers Ted http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/the-northerner/2013/apr/05/duchess-of-cambridge-kate-middleton-leeds

You do not understand. You must stop trying to impose your changes. Instead, you must discuss them on the article talk pages with other editors who are interested - not me. If you do not stop, the changes will not be made and you, personally, will be blocked for edit warring. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:36, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Staunton, Gloucesterhsire

Okay, just what should I call the other Staunton which is in the district of Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire? Pasicles (talk) 20:40, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes... My mistake, I forgot there were two in the same district, sorry! I've re-re-named the Coleford one as Staunton, near Coleford, Gloucestershire, and I suggest the other one be named as Staunton, near Gloucester, Gloucestershire. Bloody stupid Saxons - why couldn't they have called them "West Staunton" and "East Staunton"? Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I've done that then. Apparently north Staunton used to be in Worcestershire, so it's some stupid 20th century bureaucrat who is to blame, not the Saxons. :) Pasicles (talk) 20:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Not me! (Former 20th century bureaucrat = Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC) )

Edit warring.

Lol. But got the message, cheers.-Simone 15:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

GoodDay

You might want to add some of your wisdom here ----Snowded TALK 15:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

So I see. I'll think about it. Thanks, Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Will fully understand if you don't want to, but I think you could add a useful perspective. GoodDays life seems to be Wikipedia which was one of the reasons I took on the mentor role. I fear he is now past the point of no return but ....----Snowded TALK 15:41, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't think I could put it any better than this essay: "If a user has behavior problems that disrupt the collective work of creating a useful, encyclopedic reference, then the editor's participation in Wikipedia may be restricted or banned. These problems may be caused by personal immaturity, an inability to properly apply Wikipedia's policies, poor social skills, or other reasons.... In some cases, those actions [to improve behaviour] will ultimately be ineffective, and action must be taken to stop the disruption of the encyclopedia. This requires that Wikipedia editors accept our limitations at changing behavior or policing it, admit that we are not equipped to engage in extended efforts to change or improve someone's behavior, and follow the usual procedures to request a block or ban. Ultimately, it is not the responsibility of the community to develop or enforce a plan that enables the editor to be successful." I agree with all of that. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:44, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 April 2013

Ken Khouri

You beat me to it, Mr Myrtle! Notice how we got in an edit conflict on Flea's page where we both mentioned Khouri at the exact same time? Good work, you really should nominate it for DYK, maybe something like:

Hillbillyholiday talk 21:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

p.s. Lord Messam next! -- talk 21:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I do not do DYKs !!!!! If I'm nominated by someone else, OK, but I will not nominate myself. Thanks for suggesting, but..... I've had enough experiences there, thank you! Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
PS: See also Hedley Jones. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Wow.. bold and italic.. I've only been here two months really, but I review absolutely loads (8 or so yesterday) and have put up quite a few already, and not had much in the way of bother. May I ask what ahs soured your experience of DYK? Edit conflict again! Better go check that one out. Thought that was an example of things gone wrong. Hillbillyholiday talk 22:01, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
The standards at DYK slipped badly when they introduced the "quid pro quo" system a few years ago. Before that there was a happy band of people submitting articles, and an apparently equally happy but mostly separate band reviewing them. Then, it changed for the worse, and now I dread to think what bureaucratic system operates. It certainly hasn't improved the quality of DYK articles or blurbs - it's a bit of an embarrassment now, which frankly should be either discontinued or radically reformed. I'm staying well away! Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I had no idea it used to operate differently! I noticed it was a bit slow sometimes, and that some hooks were a bit rubbish, which is why I've been reviewing as many decent ones as possible (tho I don't have to QPQ yet). For a newbie like me, it's nice to see the articles you've reviewed up on the main page and I'm quite thorough in checking them, but admittedly, I know next-to-nothing of the admin side of things over there. Hillbillyholiday talk 22:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
The bottom line here is to work in the areas that you want to work in, and in the way you want. It's supposed to be a pleasure doing stuff here, and often is. Take advice from people, of course, but never feel that you are under instructions to do things a certain way. Some people can get quite aggressive about "rules" - if they do, back away and let them stew. Enjoy it - you're making a brilliant start so far, in my view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Hear, hear! Quite agree with all of that. There are some notable "exceptions to most of the rules", of course - e.g. User:Dr. Blofeld who gets more DYKs in a month than most people get in several years (or indeed ever, as in my case). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I noticed old Blofeld gets an amazing amount of DYKs up there. I wonder if he's ever ventured as close to the bone as my latest 'factoid'..
Did ye ken that the controversial artwork on NOFX's album Heavy Petting Zoo features a man and sheep "sixty-nining", and led to the LP version being confiscated in Germany?
- Roy Chubby Brown
ok ja, I am admitting the confiscation!! interested party
Don't mention the war!
No, no, do your Jimmy Cagney!!

Sonny Knight

Good one - very well done sir.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm hoping that the weather will drag me away from the keyboard and into the garden a bit more soon.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Count Lasher

Just completed an entry for yet another neglected mento star. I had made a start on Lord Messam but scrapped that for the criminally overlooked Lasher. Glad I did too, Lasher's much more fun. If you thought the Lord Flea article was vague in personal details, this one has no consensus on how to spell either first or surname, and I've found his birth given as c.1940 but also as 1921.. Would you mind casting your expert eye over it for me please? Hillbillyholiday talk 20:44, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Wow! Very impressive.... Never heard of him before! Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:47, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Cheers, I only got into this music very recently (and after I thought I'd kind of heard it all).. This is a good'un - well, as far as songs about mango cultivars go, it's probably the best! Hillbillyholiday talk 20:51, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Should we send a Sockpuppet investigation?

Because I feel 208.69.244.9 is using other anonymous IPs and it's likely he might be Smoovedogg too. Because I'm getting tired of him adding trivial information to what was supposed to be an encyclopedia article on a music legend. I think it's high time now. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 00:54, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's not an area that I've much experience in, so I'll leave it to you. It's certainly very noticeable that User:Smoovedogg hasn't been around for a few weeks. You're doing a great job over there, by the way. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
I got you lol and yes it is very noticeable. It hit me a few days ago when I actually went to his page and the last time he edited a page was in mid-March. And thank you. It was a hard road to climb to get Richard's page to be easier to access as an encyclopedia entry than some fan page that it was being made into. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 17:12, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lord Flea

Hillbillyholiday talk 00:06, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Sam Most

Yes, I know what you mean. I was leaving it until the article had "calmed down" a bit. Maybe worth dropping a note at User talk:Tutshen (his nephew allegedly...)? He only has an (unsigned) welcome template there at the moment. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I did sign his welcome template! Well, it's no big deal, so long as he accepts the changes. If you want to clean it up a bit more, I'm not going to stop you... Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh yes, there it is, hidden away in the top bit - why was I expecting to see something signed at the bottom!?? (Not sure what a "newphew" is, either.) Sorry, Ghm. I'll try. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Gave me MY laugh of the day, friend. JohnClarknew (talk) 21:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 April 2013

Wild Jimmy Spruill

Surprised that you do not seem to have had a look at this chap yet. I see Derek has. Sadly lacking an image so far. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

More surprised that I got a little red square at the top of the page telling me there was a message here. No more orange banners???! Umm... never barely heard of him. Can't I just try to manage the 6256 pages on my watchlist without worrying about even more???!! Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I only knew him from that scorching solo on Wilbert Harrison's "Kansas City". My word, your list need some pruning! A red-square, eh? That marvellous new feature was nicely promulagated, no doubt (!?) It probably means you've been singled our for special attention. I thought it was just me with a new little zero next to my name there at the top - and I thought it was probably "wikipoints scored this semester". Oh well. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Part 1? Yes, that was good too. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, I've had a brief go at it. The original 2005 article was a straight cut and paste copyright violation from here, so hopefully I've been able to straighten it out a little. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Aha! Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:38, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Firstly, I must point out that my editing of an article does not guarantee any degree of quality. Merely too much time on my hands.... you both probably knew that already. Secondly, why does Wikipedia continually spring surprises on us with regard to messaging ? Is it Facebook/Twitter inspired, with 'buddies' and the rest ? In that case I'm screwed, never taking any interest in those type of activities. Finally, 6256 - phew, I thought I should prune down my list of 481. I hope you are well chaps - I suspect you will both receive an OBE for services to Wikipedia, before I even get a mention in my village newsletter.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Notifications? Might have been nice if someone had notified us, but.... I think I'll give any honours a miss, thank you... they only invite trouble. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Personally am looking forward to that golden wiki-handshake in the seaside town of my choice... 22:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Poor Willy, 75% of his life playing someone else, it's hardly surprising he has a slightly loose grip on the nature of reality. A real-life Truman Show perhaps? Anyhow, I'm glad he was right in his prediction — 2013 really has been the start of that "golden age when war, poverty and famine disappear.." — Hillbillyholiday talk 22:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I really must keep up. I initially thought that it was this Poor Willy. Hence - "Poorboy twangs the rhythm out on his kalamazoo. Willy goes into a dance and doubles on kazoo". Either way, this old man has definitely hung up his kazoo for good. Just when I thought I had got the bloody thing in tune.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Derek, for reminding me of that rock classic Whole Lotta Love by The Temple City Kazoo Orchestra. I know just how you feel.... although some of us still look forward to the occasional "musical outing". Martinevans123 (talk) 07:04, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Glorious! The Temple City Kazoo Orchestra would doubtless clean up if they ever entered Britain's Got Talent.. This wee kazoo-doozy is still as fresh as a daisy at 85 years old — Hillbillyholiday talk 07:36, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
A tidy outfit. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 April 2013

Lord Messam

Just created a new mento-bio for Lord Messam — only a few sources for this chap unfortunately, and one of them went off-line just as I was putting the finishing touches to it. Without birth and death dates, do you think it needs a infobox? and would you mind checking it for errors? Cheers! — Hillbillyholiday talk 21:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Guy, that one had been left gathering dust for a while — The far more interesting Lord Pretender is nearly done in my sandbox. Hillbillyholiday talk 21:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Can't add anything really I'm afraid... Good work! Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ken Khouri

Allen3 talk 00:31, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey GH, I added the days viewing figures for Ken Khouri and the other artists in the hookline and they reached about 1,000 views. A bit on the low-side, possibly because it was on the mainpage at night in the UK where reggae's more popular? Also the hook I came up with was quite dry and that never helps. Unfortunately innuendo seems to do well on DYK compared to genuine interesting stuff (Not that I'm knocking toilet-humour!) Oh, and of course you were right - I'm coming to realize that it really is a mess over there.. Hillbillyholiday talk 18:39, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Birkenhead School Chaplain

I agree. That is why I reversed your reversal. Go to the chapel section of the school's web-site, and follow the link at the bottom of the page. JMcC (talk) 09:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Rikeus. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Jim Walsh (columnist), and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Rikeus (talk) 16:47, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what this message means. I assume it doesn't matter. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 May 2013

Flagging you down

Apropos nothing in particular... here's a link that you might find useful: [3], if you don't already have it to hand. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I thought for a moment it was these types of flagging, flagging, rather than flagging. Shit, I'm f(l)agged out, or should that be fagged out now.... Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:27, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, time for your sly fag I expect, you complete meatball! .. psst, don't mention "the war". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Alvin Robinson

Well done on your recent creation. I notice that the Dead Rock Stars Club, where I ventured to see if it mentioned the cause of his death, has him listed as Alvin "Shine" Robinson.[4] Any idea why that should be ?? Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:44, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me to add his nickname - no-one seems to say where it came from though. Rather too many blog sources in that article for my liking, but they're all people who know what they're talking about, I think. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Stalking campaign seems to have reached its nadir

User:Tim! has been warned hundreds of times over many years, and yet he just cannot stop himself. If he doesn't learn self-control then he will need to be shown the door:

--Mais oui! (talk) 19:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 May 2013

Climax records (Peerless Quartet)

Re: Peerless Quartet, great job as usual. Just a small correction. Climax (the 1901 - 1902 version) was not a subsidiary of Columbia, but was made by the Globe Record Company to be sold by Columbia, for their entry into the disc market. It would be fair to say that Climax was the predecessor of Columbia (but only for discs, not for cylinders, which Columbia had been making for a decade). Later (circa 1909 - 1916) Columbia revived the Climax label, this time indeed as a subsidiary, but since the Peerless Quartet article is about the 1901 iteration, the statement "subsidiary" isn't wholly accurate. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 16:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

My misunderstanding - thanks. I'm no expert on that period, as you can tell! If you see other errors of mine, feel free to correct them, of course. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
not really an error, and it is a bit murky. The revised wording is accurate. I saw nothing else in your article needing revision, although I think if a mention of the "Edison Male Quartet" and a link to the Haydn/Hayden Quatette were worked in, the article would be improved, since the orgins of the groups are so similar. If you can get a copy, the Allan Sutton / Kurt Nauck book "American Record Labels and Companies: An Encyclopedia 1891 - 1943" is by far the best source if you want to understand the industry side of things for the era. The Brian Rust Book "The American Record Label Book" is also useful, but some information in it (a small minority, to be sure) needs to be taken with a grain of salt. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 18:05, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes - if past experience elsewhere is any guide, as I do more of these articles I'll identify the cross-relationships between the groups and individuals more clearly. Work in progress! By the way, if you have any experience in uploading images, some of the articles could certainly use them - it's an area I've given up on, having had many images deleted in the past for (allegedly) incomplete licence information. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Most of my image uploads involve LP covers (used under fair-use rationale) and a few 78rpm record labels. Photographs of individuals/groups are always a copyright minefield, unless you are scanning from an original pre-1923 document/publication. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 18:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Trudy Lynn

The same old question. Could you check for me if this is correct, and did she have any single success ? She is probably more your field than mine, but old Trudy seems to have glided between the blues, soul and R&B without much fuss, or frankly fanfare, for around 45 years. Just squeaks in for the notability stakes, me thinks.

Whilst I am here - have you gone deeply retro ?? If your subjects go any further back, they'll be playing the zither and harpsichord !

Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Loretta yes, Vera yes, but Trudy, sadly not. No record of any hits anywhere, and I know nothing of her I'm afraid. Re my retroness... a kind person bought me that Joel Whitburn book, Pop Memories, for my birthday, which is v. helpful and interesting. And then I read this. Ah well... Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
PS: But I do know her date of birth! Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I had forgotten you had access to that website. Mind you, I think my wife has too - must check with her one day. Anyway, thanks for your input. The vitriolic debate between Whitburn and his 'rival' fair kept me amused. Trying to create a 'chart' when the whole methodology was suspect is a bit daft - but it sells book. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes - it's a fascinating book, even if it is full of errors (even I noticed that they mis-spelled Indestructible Records) and needs to be taken with the entire annual production of Northwich. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 May 2013

Brynmawr's finest? no joke!

I hardly recognised you without the pastels, glitter and mini pigtails. That late forearm smash was almost after the bell, Adey! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Can we get "Dale Martin" co-opted to manage WP:AN/I? I'd don a grey wig and handbag and sit in the front row. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure the wiki-lawyers would have a field day. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to see Eric the Half-a-C (well, I can think of a few others more of a c... than him) give it a go.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I was just thinking, "I bet Peg Leg Howell doesn't have an entry." Please leave some for the rest of us Mr Myrtle. -- Emperor Roscoe

Kenny Laguna page

Kenny Laguna did in fact play with Tommy James and the Shondells and he also has recorded over 50 hits.

This can be referenced in his discography at allmusic.com

Please keep this information.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabegodin (talk • contribs) 17:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I've found a better source (Tommy James) for the claim that he played on "Mony Mony", and added that. Allmusic doesn't list the singles he played on, so that still needs a better source. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Seeger

I saw your new article about a Pete Seeger album. If you would like to do more work in the area, I am working on his discography. Any help would be appreciated --Guerillero | My Talk 16:47, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I thought that particular album needed an article, but I don't have any plans to do any more articles on his albums - I was hoping that others would do that! The article on the man himself needs a lot of work though - as I mentioned on the article talk page, it's constructed in a very strange way, with apparently a huge gap in his musical career between the 1950s and the 2000s. Some of the material has been put in the "Activism" section, but the whole article needs a good rewrite and restructuring. So, that may be something on my long term horizon.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:23, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

William Hickey (columnist)

Discussion moved to Talk:William Hickey (columnist)

The Signpost: 27 May 2013

Erased vandalism

Thanks for erasing the vandal's intrusion on one of my comments.[5] Qexigator (talk) 22:26, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Rigby's personal status

One of the rules of Wikipedia is respect for the living. In this case the rights of the wife, the "fiancee" and family ought to be respected. You can call this "Original research" if you like, but the fact is that the legal wife of Lee Rigby stated to one of the papers that she was looking forward to getting back with her husband "as a family". I don't know exactly what she had in mind. But I do know that they are not divorced. Therefore there can be no "fiancee", regardless of how the other young woman may perceive their relationship, and regardless of how the press might describe it. He cannot enter a contract to marry anyone while he is still married. Therefore any intentions that he had to "remarry" as stated in the Wikipedia article, are purely hypothetical. They are dependent upon him being granted a divorce (were he still alive). In the light of the wife's statement, it would be wrong to assume that a divorce and remarriage is inevitable. Divorce, in the UK, is not an easy process, particularly when a child is involved. The wife's statement might be merely "wishful thinking" but because she is legally his wife she is entitled to it. Therefore, the situation is sensitive.

In this instance, given the ghastly nature of the events, it is better to be discrete about those matters that are not directly related to the murder, for the sake of the living, in line with Wikipedia policy, which you will see at the top of the page.

I have left this on your talk page because I don't want to keep repeating these details on the talk page of the article where one needs to use the same discretion as in the article itself. Amandajm (talk) 11:14, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure (except that you mean discreet, not discrete). But, I don't think your comments relate to my edits, other than in the mention of a son - which is a detail that I still believe is relevant background for the article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Bertrand Russell

Dealing with a (fairly marginal) ambiguity like whether Monmouthshire is Welsh by deleting references to Wales and adding hidden "scare" comments and unnatural inclusive terms like UK has a ring of locking the mad wife in the attic (when she's really just had a bad hair day). I see you have a history of dealing with this issue (which is totally new to me - I only came because of Pointless) but can I suggest it's puzzling and undue-weighty to mysteriously omit Wales: perhaps at most a footnote should refer to the ambiguity. (And I notice the Alfred Wallace FA doesn't share the coyness). Dickdock (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

This is a debatable issue. Monmouthshire was not included unambiguously in Wales until 1974, and there is a strong body of opinion that, at the time of Russell's birth (and Wallace's for that matter) people of an upper class English background - and lawyers - considered it to be part of England. See for example this - a little bit later, but the principle applies. I could find dozens of other examples if you like. The point is that we refer to places of birth by how they were described (and administered) at the time, and at the time of Russell's birth Monmouthshire was not always or even usually described as being in Wales - the issue was disputed. (At the time, Wales as a whole was not a distinct administrative area in the same way as it is now, or was centuries earlier.) So, in this case, it is better to leave it as Monmouthshire, UK. The hidden message - only seen by editors - gives the issue much less weight than if it were explained in a footnote. There is no doubt now that Monmouthshire is in Wales, and there is no doubt that according to some cultural and ecclesiastical criteria it always has been, but those points are irrelevant when considering how to describe the birthplace of someone born in 1872. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:59, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes. This was discussed briefly le on the articTalk Page last December. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
You've missed the point. It isn't about whether Monmouthshire is unambiguously Welsh or not, but about using "Monmouthshire, UK" without explanation. And also about the use of hidden comments. Dickdock (talk) 02:47, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
The point is that, in this case, Wales should not be added to the text for the reasons I've given; and that a hidden comment on this is preferable to a footnote, again for the reasons I've given. Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:48, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
That isn't the point. Which is: omitting Wales (or substituting UK) without explanation is puzzling to a reader. Nothing you've said addresses that point. Dickdock (talk) 03:37, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I disagree. It's very doubtful that anyone would be puzzled by this. The link is to Monmouthshire (historic), which at the time was within England and Wales - which was part of the UK with Scotland and Ireland. It is not - and should not be - to Monmouthshire, which is within Wales, because that was not the situation that unambiguously applied in 1872. Obviously it was not unambiguously in England either. But a footnote would be better than including the word Wales within the text. Either Monmouthshire, Great Britain, or Monmouthshire, UK, would be OK in my view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I was puzzled for one. OK so I'll remove UK (and hidden comment) from the "Early life" section (where it reads weird) and leave the infobox as is ("Monmouthshire, UK") and add the note there. Dickdock (talk) 16:57, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
That looks OK to me. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:15, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
You said you were concerned about "a (fairly marginal) ambiguity like whether Monmouthshire is Welsh". I thought UK was the pretty well-used name of a country, not "a unnatural inclusive term". Martinevans123 (talk) 07:17, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I think in this context it is. Look at the article. You should know you're dealing with a UK subject by then. One might as well put Monmouthshire, UK, Europe, Earth, The Milky Way, The Universe, The Multiverse. (Though there could be an ambiguity about the last one.) Dickdock (talk) 03:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The Great Pretender

Hello, Guy. Would you mind awfully casting your peepers over this new article on Lord Pretender before I put into the mainspace? Thanks. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Never ask two people to review interesting articles at the same time! I've been gazumped and edit-conflicted by our mutual friend. Never mind, I'll try to pick up anything he doesn't pick up later. You will need to disambiguate M.O.M though. Master of Oriental Medicine? Microsoft Operations Manager? Ministry of Magic....  ?? Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Ha ha. Cheers anyway. Seems I don't need to leave messages on Mr Evans' page anymore!! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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Gwennan Gorn

Hi Ghm. You might find this of interest. The main author is looking for some copy-editing prior to DYK nomination. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:43, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I know - I took a quick look. It's interesting and well referenced - but I'm not even sure the article should exist at all, and certainly not in the form it's in now. We already have Madoc, which is all about the (supposed) journey, and now we have another article rehashing exactly the same material and expanding it even more with bits and pieces about medieval ships and speculation about what it might have had on its sail, etc. etc. That's one of the big problems with DYK - it encourages people to write articles on subjects on which there is absolutely no need for an article, rather than improving poor articles on important subjects. Really, it's just a vanity project. Maybe I'll propose it at WP:AFD (which is probably where at least half of all DYK nominations should go). Or, I could "copy-edit" and take out what is (or should be) included at the Madoc article. There might not be much left. (I'm feeling more Mancunian by the day - very strange.) Pah!! Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:55, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Ah I see. I was impressed, being unaware of Madoc. There is indeed far too much overlap. A shame, oh well. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC) (p.s. don't worry, I don't see you using any swear words. Yet.)
Seems I may have opened a large can of deer antler worms there... ? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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