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Battle of Fuzhou[edit]

Nice photos of the Pagoda anchorage! I must go and see the battlefield for myself one of these days. I visited Fuzhou in May 1989, when I was working as an administrator in the Hong Kong Government, as part of a government delegation, but at that time I hadn't even heard of the Sino-French War, so missed the opportunity to see the sights. As I still live in Hong Kong, it would be an easy trip to do. Do you live in Fuzhou?

Djwilms (talk) 01:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I live in Fuzhou now, working for China Telecom. I'm looking forward to your visit to my hometown and I would like to meet you then. I have two nineteenth century books (PDF version) concerning the Sino-French War which I'd love to share with you: one is The Foochow Arsenal and Its Results by Prosper Giquel and the other is The French at Foochow by James F. Roche and L. L. Cowen. Please send me an e-mail if you are interested. --GnuDoyng (talk) 13:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flower Lane Church[edit]

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You've got it wrong. --GnuDoyng (talk) 06:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The original text which I referred to is the only English source I can find. Frankly speaking, I really don't know how to meet your requirement, since I've already tried my best paraphrasing and the information is itself rather limited. I don't think I have violated the copyright policy: Fact is fact, what I did was just retelling the fact without adding any personal viewpoints to it. "The sun rises in the east." How am I supposed to rewrite this fact to avoid copyright violation?
Please keep its first paragraph if you believe this article is a copyright violation. --GnuDoyng (talk) 05:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let me see if I can help explain the difference between rewriting and paraphrasing. The original source has:

"In 1938 it was restored and became the only chapel with granite structure in Fuzhou City. TheShang You Tangat that time possessed classical, elegant style, with a flower hall and a fishpond."

Which you paraphrased as:

"In 1938, Siông-iū Dòng was reconstructed into the only granite structured church in Fuzhou, possessing a classical and elegant style, with a flower hall and a fishpond in the interior."

An example of a more thorough rewrite would be:

"When Siông-iū Dòng was restored with granite in 1938, it became the only chapel in Fuzhou City of its kind. The renovations included the addition of interior details like a flower hall and fishpond."

Notice that I completely left out anything about "classical, elegant style" since this is an opinion of the person who wrote the source, not factual - including this would be inappropriate. However, its difficult to give a good example of a rewrite with such a limited amount of text. Its often easier to look at the entire source and write what you learned in your own words. When you try to reproduce the source line by line, you run into problems not only with paraphrasing, but also ending up with the same layout, order of facts etc. - all things that should be avoided. It might also help you to take a look at some of Wikipedia's featured articles - you'll notice that the article text really bears no resemblance to the sources that have been used. Shell babelfish 17:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK thank you very much. I will try it again as best as I can. --GnuDoyng (talk) 00:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) There are some more suggestions, if these should be prove helpful to you, at User talk:MLauba#Flower Lane Church. I am watching the conversation there if I can clarify my suggestions in any way, and you are welcome to come by my talk page as well. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your user page on zh.wikipedia.org[edit]

Hi Doyng, have you deleted your user page on mandarin wiki? You might have reasons to do that, but it's inconvenient when I want to discuss with you on mandarin wikipedia. I hope you can restore that page. By the way, the article 福州历史 is nominated here, please check it if you have the time. --Luhungnguong (talk) 01:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK[edit]

Hello! Your submission of Shen-kuang-szu Incident at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 20:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, King of Hearts. Thank you for reviewing my article. I've made a slight change in its last section to include the "cited hook". I have to reply in my own talk page because the DYK talk page is currently blocked by GFW (maybe it contains some blacklisted words) and the open proxy I use is also blocked by Wikipedia. Hope you don't mind. --GnuDoyng (talk) 13:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have passed the article; it's now at T:DYK/P2. By the way, have you heard of Wikipedia:IP block exemption? Editors in good standing (like you) who have no alternative can get it, so you can edit even if your IP is hardblocked. Normally, open proxies aren't allowed, but China is an exception. If you want the block exemption, just reply here below, and I'll give it to you. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I would like to have this privilege. Thank you very much! --GnuDoyng (talk) 09:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
 Done King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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DYK for Shen-kuang-szu Incident[edit]

Updated DYK query On August 13, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Shen-kuang-szu Incident, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 20:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Move Fuzhou dialect to Foochowese language?[edit]

Hi Doyng, it's more proper to move Fuzhou dialect to Foochowese language. I really don't see why Foochowese seems the only one in Min languages that is denominated with "dialect". Please see here.--Luhungnguong (talk) 23:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know how to move the article?--Luhungnguong (talk) 22:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No idea. Seems only admins have the privilege. I'm not sure though. --GnuDoyng (talk) 04:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shen-kuang-szu Incident [edit]

Hi, I tagged this because of the poor grammar mostly:

  • was a series of events that took place from 1850 to 1851 in Fuzhou China and is marked as one of the earliest conflict between local Chinese and foreign Protestant missionaries. mixed tenses
  • Although the controversy was supposedly settled in October the next year, on terms that the missionaries were allowed to stay, Shen-kuang-szu Incident foreshadowed another yet more important missionary case, Wu-shih-shan Case, in 1878. supposedly settled? Missing preposition in front of Shen-kuang-szu Incident, foreshadowed - how?
  • During the first days since their arrival they resided temporarily ??? grammar
  • within the walled city, namely what is today called the Gulou District. poor grammar.
  • Gingell arranged a meeting with the the county magistrate Xinglian (兴廉) to discuss about its rental. - about?
  • In a harebrained manner Xinglian put his seal on the agreement. - weasel words, POV.
  • requesting to undo the rental of Shen-kuang-szu. to undo?
  • And so on. This very poor in grammar, prose style and use of weasel words.

Jezhotwells (talk) 12:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Church of Heavenly Peace, Fuzhou[edit]

Updated DYK query On September 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Church of Heavenly Peace, Fuzhou, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 23:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Gratitude[edit]

THANKYOU SO MUCH GnuDoyng for your Outstanding Translation effort!
I am overwhelmed with gratitude.
May God Bless you and may the Mindong Wikipedia continue to prosper!


(The translation has also been placed here). You can help fix the Mindong Chinese character version when you have time. --Jose77 (talk) 04:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I will also help you correct the English grammar of the Shen-kuang-szu Incident article soon.


Yours Faithfully, --Jose77 (talk) 04:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have made several corrections to that article. Your English is actually quite good compared to this article.
Christians were also persecuted in Taiwan during the late 1850s (See this article). --Jose77 (talk) 06:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your improvements on my article Shen-kuang-szu Incident. --GnuDoyng (talk) 03:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tì-miàng Kuóh-dà̤ có̤ Dṳ̆ng-ùng wiki siông gì dĕk-sáik dèu-mŭk[edit]

Hi Doyng, nguāi ī-gĭng diŏh Dṳ̆ng-ùng wiki siông tì-miàng Kuóh-dà̤ có̤ dĕk-sáik, mŭk-cièng nâ nguāi siŏh tiŏng ciĕ-tì-piéu, nṳ̄ lì ché̤ṳ káng â̤-mâ̤ muāng-é.-- Luhungnguong (talk) 17:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nguāi dàu piéu lāu. :) --GnuDoyng (talk) 04:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: CDO interwiki language issue[edit]

Hi GnuDoyng,

I have contacted User:Siebrand to see if he can resolve this issue on all of the Wikimedia editions. --Jose77 (talk) 20:43, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, thank you Jose. I've also left a message in his talk page, and am waiting for his reply. --GnuDoyng (talk) 13:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Campora San Giovanni in Chinese....please u can translate new infomations with the new photo?[edit]

Merry Xmas to You...i write that u can translate te new information and enlarge the Chinese article....if u can help me? To cange i can translate in italian, french, spanish and italian dialect on Wikipedia..i'm biographer and geographer...and translator...in Campora San Giovanni it is a small chinese community and the relative that live in Homeland read the information for u amables in Calabria..well u can translate totaly in chinese?Thank U so Much and Merry Xmas♥--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 14:11, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank for the help...thank u so muck and Merry Xmas :'(--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 18:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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