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Al Copeland

Hi Graham,

I hope all is well...

Al Copeland

Personal Life, the second paragraph is incorrect... I thought I would let you know since you monitor the page for spam... The paragraph is written with incorrect facts on the endowed chair that the article mentions. [1]

I still believe the foundation created in Al Copeland's name abbreviated as ACF for Al Copeland Foundation should be listed in the article.

Thanks, Tiffany Stockstill Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 16:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Stockstill, Tiffany: All is well, thanks; hopefully the same to you. The "Endowed Chair of Franchising" mentioned in the article absolutely does exist per sources like this and this, but these refs aren't any better than the one already in the article so there's no need to add them. The endowed chair in cancer was created after his death so it doesn't belong in the personal life section. What I've ended up doing is adding "legacy" to the last content header in the article, so it can accommodate a brief mention of the Al Copeland Foundation.

In future please write such messages at the Al Copeland talk page, not my user talk page, as they're about the article, not me. If you want a second opinion, please ask at the Teahouse ... in fact I'd appreciate it if you did this whenever possible. Graham87 17:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, some of the writing on this page reads a lot like yours. If you have a connection with the Al Copeland Foundation, you need to declare it; see our plain and simple conflict of interest guide and the full guideline. Graham87 17:59, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I will post to the talk page next time, my apologies... I have no correlation to the Al Copeland Foundation or Al Copeland nor do I have any relations to the content written... My past reverted edit that was adding historical donations to LSU for development , which we discussed in emails.

Thanks again @Graham87. Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 18:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the typo... The edit I speak of was sinply adding historcial donations for a development... To futher clarify - There is no relation to me with Al Copeland or it's assets, family, branding, charity, etc... I simply live near the development site and I recieve real time updates... Being LSU recieved the development land (as it's largest donation on record) I thought to add it for building blocks of historical transactions and facts but it was removed... Nonetheless, thanks for the help, I am working on my writing context and stay Golden.

Appreciate it Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 18:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Protection at Vala (Middle-earth)

Hi Graham87, hope you're doing well. At Vala (Middle-earth), it looks like you inadvertently applied full edit protection when downgrading the move protection. I have removed the edit protection and just wanted to give you a heads up. Thanks, DanCherek (talk) 17:27, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@DanCherek: Oops, thanks for the note and the action on that. Graham87 17:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Page importation question

Hello Graham! I just discovered Wikipedia:Requests for page importation and saw that you are the most active admin there. I have translated articles from Spanish before, using the Content translation tool (which does not import the history, but provides attribution). For future translations, would I need to request a page importation, or is it OK to keep translating and adding attribution as I have been doing so far? Yolanda Fernández de Cofiño is an example of an article that I have translated using CXT. Thanks! –FlyingAce^✈hello 16:44, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@FlyingAce: It's completely fine to keep using the content translation tool and let it handle attribution. It's my preference, personally. Graham87 16:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Understood, thank you very much! –FlyingAce^✈hello 17:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Indenting and accessibility

Hi Graham, hope you're well, been a while since we interacted directly. I seem to recall a conversation in which you gave me very helpful advice about what sorts of indenting caused accessibility problems, what sorts did not: but I cannot find it. I did find Wikipedia:Colons and asterisks, but if memory serves, you had said a single asterisk followed by varying numbers of colons is also okay: am I wrong about that? The reason I ask is, I just got back to reviewing at FAC after a break of nearly a year, and was struck by the wide variety in indenting practice; and I wondered if it was worth beginning a discussion about best practices, and possibly asking the coords to enforce them. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 23:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Yep, it's been some time now! I can't find any discussion we had about this either ... but yes, an asterisk followed by one or more colons is fine. I don't think it requires another official discussion let alone coordinator enforcement. Skimming through FAC I can't find any indentation problems that cause major issues, and there are probably bigger fish to fry. Graham87 08:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Good to know, thank you. I was reviewing Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Electric eel/archive1 yesterday, and the various indenting styles made me wonder...but if you're unbothered, I'm not going to spend time on it. Thanks again. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 15:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Your move from Good Girls Don't (song) to Good Girls Don't

Graham87 moved page Good Girls Don't (song) to Good Girls Don't without leaving a redirect: clearly far and away the primary topic

A redirect should have been left behind, so I have temporarily reverted the move and then redid the move with a redirect left behind. Please be careful with redirect suppression next time to avoid breaking links. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@GeoffreyT2000: Oopsies, yeah I don't remember intentionally setting out to suppress that redirect! Must've been muscle memory from the other moves I did around then. Thanks for fixing that. Graham87 07:46, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Joan Baez

You know you're adding a "potentially ambiguous" synecdoche to the Joan Baez article and not removing it right? You're replacing 'Vietnamese government' with 'Hanoi' Reflecktor (talk) 15:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@Reflecktor: Whoops, sorry, self-reverted. Using an edit summary in the first place would have completely prevented this, though. Graham87 01:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Some more fun with ancient blocks

Just stumbled on this, wondering if you know what combination of bugs accounts for it:

23:05, 20 August 2005: Redwolf24 blocks a user. According to the block log, the user in question was 음낭, but...
23:08, 20 August 2005: Redwolf24 notifies a user then known as 음낭 that they have blocked them.
19:52, 24 August 2005: Ed Poor renames 음낭 to Eum Nang (talk · contribs)
04:16, 16 August 2008: 음낭 (talk · contribs) account created a second time (assuming log is correct)
04:27, 16 August 2008, 04:05, 15 November 2008, 02:47, 4 February 2009: 3 more blocks of 음낭 (assuming log is correct), as Grawp sock

So, the ability to register 음낭 twice, assuming that's what happened, I assume is just because whatever antispoof measures (if any) we had in place back then didn't catch that. (And I assume the unusual block/rename timing is just changing norms.) But 1) Why is Redwolf's block logged under the old username of the user they blocked and 2) Why are there three blocks on the second 음낭 despite 0 edits/deleted edits/filter hits/logged actions (other than registration)? It occurs to me that the latter might not be a technical issue, and rather represent a 0-edit-sleeper CUblock followed by minus-email on private evidence followed by either the talkpage getting OS'd or D67 yanking TPA on a bunch of old sox as a precautionary measure, but I don't know. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 00:07, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Yeah user renames were a bit weird in those days. I originally had the username "Pianoman87" and deleted edits didn't move when I was renamed but were moved later (see this old village pump archive discussion). After I added my two cents there I was then encouraged to re-register that username, which I did. So I shouldn't be surprised that the 2005 block is still associated with the old username, even though it shouldn't be (maybe the Actor migration will fix that eventually. Taking over old/renamed accounts was a JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp specialty and was much easier than it is now, hence my creation of User:Graham87/Old2 for cases of really old accounts where this happened (see some relevant search results). As for the three blocks, standard operating procedure with Grawp was to block with talk page and email access disabled; the first two admins probably just forgot to do that fully (or the second and third were precautionary blocks of old socks, as you said). According to centralauth 음낭 has no edits in the database, and I'd be inclined to take that at face value. Graham87 04:48, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

That all makes sense! Thanks, as always, for the history lesson. :) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 09:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Kubrick talk page

Thanks for your efforts on the Kubrick talk page. I apparently got confused because there were both the HBC archiver and the Miszabot. I was trying to get archiving working on several different talk pages simultaneously (bad idea) - and thought that I had added the Miszabot template, not realizing it had already been there. Tl,dr: I fubared it. Thanks for fixing it. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 07:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

@Anastrophe: No worries; makes sense. Graham87 07:56, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Reviewing Disability in Kenya

Hi @Graham87!

I am a fellow wikipedian and member of WikiProjects Disability like you!

I recently published a new article called Disability in Kenya, because I thought it was primordial to provide knowledge on disabilities in this specific country. Each country's norms, perceptions, myths, and policies around persons with disabilities are different, and as I am particularly close to Kenya, I think this article is valuabe.

But since I am quite new to Wikipedia, I wanted to know if I could get your feedback on this article. I see that you specialise in content cleaning and re-editing, so I thought you were the wikipedian to reach out to!

Thank you in advance!

~~~~ Zp 2298 (talk) 20:39, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

November music

celebrating GW60 or: the birthday of my first subject, Graham as you may remember, pictured on the Main page with a photo I took when he came for my birthday last year; the background of is smiling face is the masonry of a reconstructed Roman watchtower. This image shows purple berries - with a bit of orange - of a plant I don't think grows in Australia.The closest American plant I know is called bitter-sweet. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Wow. Ah, Euonymus europaeus per the file caption. Graham87 04:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

thank you! wish you could come on Saturday, when music from 5 decades will be played! ... and/or on Friday when Ukrainian choir OREYA will sing! ... and/or on Sunday, when the youth choir will sing that God's time is the very best time! I plan to hear all - travel involved - and expect to then be busy for the rest of the year. As I write this, I haven't even updated my "images", but hope I'll get to it today. Yesterday I wanted to write about Graham's mother but it just made it to my sandbox when I fell asleep. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

3 concerts in 3 days can now be found together: a Ukrainian chamber choir, my cellist and composer friend's 60th birthday music (with a world premiere and that overview about his career), and Bach's ultimate statement about life and death --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

vacation in the U.S. with friends! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like fun! Graham87 20:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

yes, it was, even singing twice, with the Renaissance Street Singers in rehearsal, and the Katonah church choir in a service - Thanksgiving in the U.S. - Bach said it in music for peace --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Bright-line rule

Regarding this: there isn't one (I have gone through some RSN archives, RSP, RS supplements etc. to look for it and found nothing). That said, in this circumstance it is probably not worth the effort to have an argument with the editor removing them -- luckily for us, in this instance the cited content seems not to matter a whole lot, so I guess we can just leave it out. jp×g 15:09, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@JPxG: Thanks for that ... I wasn't really that attached to the text even at the time I added it. No other source seems to have taken that angle, so ... meh. Graham87 15:16, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Not a wikiarchaeology question, for once

Content/navigation question this time! I've been trying to throw something together at Draft:Atkinson Hyperlegible, and was going to include a link to Sighted and was surprised to find that it's a redlink. Then came to understand why, as I can't really find a good place to redirect it to. Visual impairment is a candidate, as an {{r from antonym}}, but the article doesn't really explain the term well. A soft redirect to Wiktionary also seems a candidate (there's some page somewhere discouraging creating a page as a soft redirect ab initio, but it doesn't really seem to reflect current practice). Or is there maybe some page in the topic area of disability studies that it could be pointed to? Like something about terms for majority groups?( We also don't seem to have a page or redirect for the comparable sense of the word hearing, although I'm not sure what disambiguator would be appropriate there.) Wondering if you have any ideas. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 06:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Hmmm ... I lean towards just not linking it, because it's a common English word. It's not a specialised term like neurotypical. Ditto with hearing. Graham87 06:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hmm. I'd be curious how many sighted people know the term "sighted". I mean, in this context it's probably clear enough from context, but no more so than "visually impaired" is, which I still link and I think most people would link. I know the term because I'm interested in disability studies and myself have quite poor, if correctable, eyesight; but it's not a term I encounter with any regularity. In my anecdotal experience with a term likewise used to refer to a large majority, I'd venture less than 50% of cisgender people know the term "cisgender", and that probably gets used more in the media than "sighted" does. Linking question aside, though, I feel like there should be a redirect somewhere, if only for people searching the term. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 06:30, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: I've occasionally heard sighted people struggle to find a word for "people who can see" in contrast to blind people ... but they seem to readily understand the term "sighted", because it's just a regular verb with an -"ed" on the end. In contrast the "cis-" prefix of "cisgender" is extremely specialised, probably even more so than the same term with a very different capitalisation. Now that I think about it, maybe a Wiktionary redirect would be best; I for one wouldn't have a problem with it. Also, you might be amused by my recent highly round-about application of WP:NONAZIS. :-) Graham87 06:40, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Every now and then I see someone refer to themself as all-caps "CIS", and it makes me wonder whether that's an autocorrect or they think it's an acronym but have never bothered to look up for what. To far more people I've had to explain that no, it isn't some word people made up, it really is the antonymic prefix of "trans-".

But I digress. Created the soft redirect; we'll see if someone can think of a better target.

By the way, since you've edited my father's article, not sure if I ever mentioned that he had (a less severe form of) the same condition you have. Or at least I assume it was retinopathy of prematurity; the description in our article is consistent with how he described it. Would be an interesting fact for his article, but I'm not sure if there's any RS documenting it; at most might find one saying he had terrible vision or that the Army had to make him special lenses for his gas mask.

Also, good semi, yeah. List-space BLP enforcement still has a ways to go... -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 14:26, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Cool re redirect. Wow re your father and retinopathy of prematurity ... yeah it was very common back in the '50s, as the article says. I thought you'd like the semi; it's amazing what can be found when checking through IP edits like that ... Graham87 14:44, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Speaking of IP edits sticking around too long, c:Special:PageHistory/File:Graham87 at Dubai Museum (cropped).jpg. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 14:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Wow, thanks for that ... it's on my Commons watchlist but I must have stopped visiting it at some point so I stopped getting email notifications about that file. That edit wasn't so bad; there's been worse at that file and in other places, like my user page filter log (I find it all kinda amusing though). It looks like I dropped the ball on the Commons file in this edit. Graham87 15:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Wow that IP edited my talk page too ... Graham87 15:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Gotts Corners

Walter Romig has an entry for the community in his book, Michigan Place Names, page 230:

GOTTS CORNERS, Huron County: this settlement in Lake Township was founded by Robert Gotts, a homesteader, and he became its first postmaster, with the office named Gotta, on Oct. 5, 1895, the office operating until Aug. 14, 1905 [GSM 1897-1908; PO Archives].

The GSM is a citation to the various editions of the Gazetteer of the State of Michigan, and the other is a reference to archives from the Post Office Department.

I don't think that's enough to base an article, but enough for a redirect to the township and a mention there, right? Imzadi 1979 → 07:00, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Imzadi1979: Sure, I've written articles myself about less significant places. You can do whatever you like re Gotts Corners ; I was just cleaning up after a random IP range. Graham87 07:05, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Vala (Middle-earth)

Graham87, we've ended up with most of the Middle-earth races in the form "X in Middle-earth", and I've moved Vala (Middle-earth) to Valar in Middle-earth accordingly. This isn't a plural but a collective, which people seem to find correct; it also happens to be by far the better-known form of the name. However, Talk:Vala (Middle-earth) failed to move, perhaps implying it's still move-locked? I'd be glad if you could fix it for the project. Many thanks, Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap: Yeah that's what happened. I've removed the move protection, moved the page, and tweaked the archive box. Graham87 11:09, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah, good, many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you so very much for taking the time to maintain Wikipedia:Former administrators. That seems like a lot of effort to have put in for so long. It's such an invaluable resource. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 10:50, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

@L235: Thanks for the kind words and the probably (unintentional) reminder re the latest resysop. There have certainly been some interesting situations over the years ... Graham87 10:56, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

And this time an admin query

I'm in one of my least favorite positions to be in as an admin, which is a user who's been unblocked on a last warning for one thing, and then violated a totally different policy. In this case, it's Jha09 (talk · contribs), whom you blocked in Setember for using unreliable sources and then unblocked when they agreed to stick to fictional articles. They've done that, but a new issue has arisen at Pyar Ke Saat Vachan Dharampatnii (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), where they added a copyvio, were reverted and warned by C1K98V, and then added a different copyvio in the same place. Normally this would put me at "final warning", but given your previous block/unblock here I thought I'd ask your opinion first. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 11:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Argh, sorry, I missed the "new message" notification there! I lean towards a block ... As you can see at User talk:Jha09/Archive 2 (now easier to find as I've fixed the archiving), they've gotten many, many warnings for all sorts of things (including ignoring previous warnings), so maybe a final block might be in order now. Graham87 14:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

I was on the fence here till I noticed that they've apparently not kept to their agreement to only edit about fiction, with quite a few BLP edits including this addition sourced to an apparent gossip site. Will block. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 15:04, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Good block. By "topics about fiction", I meant films, film stars, etc. ... I was just trying to get them out of the way of historical topics where their editing was even more dire. But I didn't even think about BLP ... Graham87 15:20, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Did you get the email I sent last night? I kinda mangled the subject line and opening ... I understand if your hands are tied re that sort of thing at the moment though. Graham87 10:01, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Projectspace lists of TLAs

Asking you because you've edited Wikipedia:TLAs from AAA to DZZ some in the recent past.

Would you mind moving five draft lists to projectspace for me?

Once you move these to the correct locations by dropping "Draft:", they will be identical to the capitalised forms except with no capitals; I've already added them to {{Wikipedia TLAs}}. I submitted the drafts, but all of them were declined with a crazy rationale — for some reason the reviewer thinks I'm requesting a massive number of redirects. 120.21.41.202 (talk) 20:48, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Done, but just this once, since you asked nicely. Please do any future work like this with an account; choosing to not use one in this situation wastes the time of other community members. (I'm going to assume good faith that you're not evading a block on any old account you might have). Most Wikipedia editors have no idea about or interest in these lists of abbreviations; the only reason I have one on my watchlist is due to vandalism. Thanks also for your edits to Eyre Bird Observatory. Graham87 03:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

FYI - they did not take you up on your advice, see Wikipedia:TLAs from aaa to dzz submitted under 120.21.41.202 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Since you had accepted the others, I went ahead and accepted this one as well. S0091 (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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Wind speed

Thanks. I didn't want to simply remove those edits because most of those pages' climate sections already didn't have sources, but I see you have found a reason to. Steelkamp (talk) 15:34, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Manhattan Transfer Live

Manhattan Transfer Live- I saw your wiki by accident. This was very much released back in the day as an LP. I was working college radio at the time and distinctly remember the album coming in and playing and recording it. You state it was never released as an LP which is not correct. Thanks 47.16.178.149 (talk) 18:00, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I fixed the page ... it contradicted itself. Presumably I got this message because of this edit. Graham87 02:31, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Time in Portugal

Strange action. Xx236 (talk) 11:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Oops, thanks for the note ... I often use a text editor to edit and sometimes the paste action doesn't quite go through. I've done the edit properly now. Graham87 14:23, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

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December music

We sang Charpentier's delightful Messe de minuit pour Noël today, which was on DYK yesterday, - a first for me, pictured, - enjoy the season! - My calendar image shows frosted plant in sunlight, - it looks almost black&white. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:53, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

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		Hello, I wish you the very best during the holidays. And I hope you have a very happy 2023! Bruxton (talk) 19:58, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Graham87,
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