User talk:Grahamludlowca

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March 2011

Please refrain from writing autobiographical articles, as you did at Graham Ludlow. Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged; if you create such an article, it may be deleted. All edits to articles must conform to our policies on no original research, neutral point of view, and avoid conflicts of interest. Please remember that Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, not a personal webspace provider. If your achievements are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedians with articles.) Thank you. Crusio (talk) 11:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Can you confirm if you are Graham Ludlow or not? If you aren't, you will have to change your user name. If you are, I would be happy to work with you on improving your biographical article, if you can find better sources. Viriditas (talk) 03:48, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I am Graham Ludlow. I would greatly appreciate your help on improving this article. I am trying to follow the Wikipedia rules and make sure that only pertinent, verifiable information is included in a neutral way. But it seems I am not yet pleasing everyone. (----). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grahamludlowca (talk • contribs) 09:15, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Take a look at this comment in edit mode to see how I indented a response. To sign and date your reply, type four tildes like this: ~~~~ Please take a moment to read WP:RS. Are there any biographical articles about you, interviews, or other types of coverage? Viriditas (talk) 09:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you did the indent, but I will look at WP:RS now and search for other types of coverage. Are the NY Times and imdb not enough? ~~~~

Hi. You have to type the actual tildes to create a signature and timestamp. In the above, you copied and pasted the "nowiki" code that allows me to display the tildes. Try copying and pasting just the tildes to generate a sig. The NYT link is not an article and anyone can appear on IMDb. Try finding something else. Viriditas (talk) 09:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, here are some other references: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11] Grahamludlowca (talk) 10:13, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I wonder...Perhaps you could simply enter this information for me, since I cannot seem to get this other person to lift their alerts? It seems that because I am trying to enter information about myself - it is viewed with extreme disdain. WHat do you think? Grahamludlowca (talk) 18:35, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Graham. Looking at the additional references you provided, I see the following: 1) Support for general information about your filmography/credits as an actor, associate producer, coordinator, executive producer, screenwriter, production assistant, and production executive. The question at hand is, do the sources you've provided above, meet or exceed our criteria for Wikipedia:Notability, specifically, WP:CREATIVE? I am currently reviewing it, but it would help if you would as well and offer your opinion. Please be aware, some editors may question whether you have been the subject of "multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" that is sufficiently more than trivial coverage. It is generally good practice to be aware of arguments for and against, so don't take this the wrong way. I've noticed that there are additional sources on and offline that you have not offered as of yet, so perhaps you need to do more research. Viriditas (talk) 04:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I know that there are other sources and I will include some more below. It is difficult for me to determine what is appropriate for Wikipedia or not. But the LA Times review of THUNDER RUN, the New York Times link, and a few other things I will include below will hopefully support the cause. Thank you for your help. In some ways, I really wish you could write the bio for me - one that you think would be appropriate and stick.  :) [12], [13], [14], [15] Grahamludlowca (talk) 06:01, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, I'm concerned that we don't have enough material for a biographical article on Wikipedia. Keep on mind, not everybody gets an encyclopedia article. However, your role as a screenwriter, producer, and actor could be said to be "notable". Which awards have you won, and who was it that said your adaptation of London's story was the best yet? The answer to those two questions could determine the future of your article, provided the sources are sound enough. Viriditas (talk) 07:50, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I totally understand what you are saying. And you have been so nice and so patient with all of this. Whatever you determine is best, I will be fine with. I hope that we can at least pull enough together for the "notable" classification. Let me gather some of the award information now:

• 4 Gemini Award nominations and one win: [16], [17](on the above link, click on BEST TV MOVIE to see the win and my name), [18](on the above link, go to page 10 of the 28 page document to see my two nominations for the 2007 Gemini Awards for BEST TV MOVIE).
• CFTPA Indie Award Nomination for "In God's Country": [19], [20]
• CFTPA Indie Award win for "In God's Country: [21](on the above link, scroll down to the February 23rd announcement), [22]
• "Anya's Bell" award wins and nominations: [23],
• "The Call of the Wild": I found some links below, but it was Michele Greppi of The NEW YORK POST who said "Best version yet of Jack London's classic story of survival." I have a hard copy which I could fax to you, but I cannot find this review online: THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER - Monday, February 10, 1997 said "THE CALL OF THE WILD is a pleasant surprise. Much more faithful to Jack London's 1903 novel than the two Hollywood versions." I have this in hard copy also but cannot find it online. [24], [25],[26], [27], [28], [29]Grahamludlowca (talk) 21:04, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for doing more research. I'm reviewing it now. Keep in mind, user-generated websites aren't very helpful as good sources, but they can be used to confirm some claims. The fact that there isn't a single biography about you in the secondary sources (online at least, there may be some offline) is one problem we will need to address. Viriditas (talk) 06:02, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

BTW, feel free to help expand your biography with any of this information, including The Vancouver Sun article you have offline. Viriditas (talk) 09:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for your assistance. I'll look for online bio info, too. I would be happy to expand the bio here, but THE VANCOUVER SUN article isn't online. I have it in hard copy... along with some of the THE CALL OF THE WILD reviews. Is there a way to get these verified, per chance? Grahamludlowca (talk) 19:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

As long as you add the correct date, page number, and title, you should be fine. We work with offline sources on Wikipedia all the time. Keep in mind, there are archives, so we will be able to verify the information one way or another. So, feel free to start adding info. Viriditas (talk) 20:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI

Anything you can do to help improve other articles you have knowledge about or are interested in (such as adding good sources, expanding the prose, etc.) would be greatly appreciated. Contact me for any questions. I will take a look at your biography in a bit and see if I can do anything to help out. Viriditas (talk) 21:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I added the newspaper references. Fortunately I still have the information - even though it is not available to me online. If you have any questions, let me know. I hope I added the information correctly. Do you think this may be enough biographical information now? There are two articles from The Vancouver Sun which give such information - which I cannot seem to find elsewhere. I have also added the review references for "The Call of the WIld."

I look forward to helping to improve other articles!

Grahamludlowca (talk) 02:40, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Not out of the woods yet

There is a chance that someone may nominate your article for deletion. For now, you should continue to expand it and add sources. Focus on notable aspects of your life/career as covered by secondary sources. Don't worry if they are on or offline, we will deal with that later. Viriditas (talk) 06:10, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

This has been quite an undertaking! But a learning experience indeed! If I get nominated for deletion, gosh... that would be sad after all of this work, wouldn't it? Honestly - and in trying to keep with that neutral and unbiased tone - I don't think there is anything else I want to ad, aside from what I have added tonight. I hope that I got the newspaper references right now. I included the title of each article. And I added a Filmography - which is fairly extensive, and will hopefully help support the page. Thanks again for your help. I will give this one more look and then leave it for your perusal and comments. Grahamludlowca (talk) 06:18, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

There appears to be additional sources you are not using. For example, I just found two more that mention you and your work: [30], [31] You may want to do some more research or even contact your local library to access more sources. Viriditas (talk) 06:20, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Please remember to try and assert your notability in the body of the article. The reader will ask, who is Graham Ludlow and why does he have an encyclopedia article? The addition of minor roles or jobs to the filmography might work against you, and make it look like you are using Wikipedia as a resume. You only want to add notable appearances and work, and more importantly, only content that can be verified in reliable sources. Viriditas (talk) 06:24, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

So maybe I should delete the section about the two minor film roles, and keep the focus on my producing and screenwriting efforts? If you think this would help the page, please make the edit. Also with the Filmography, perhaps this mention is unnecessary. Is the Filmography okay? I will add a bit more about the Gemini Award nominations, etc. There are many other references from newspapers and Daily Variety, but they were about projects which sold but ultimately didn't get made. I am loathe to use such references. WOuldn't you agree?

Grahamludlowca (talk) 06:33, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I think I have added as much as I can. Your thoughts?

Grahamludlowca (talk) 07:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)