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Your submission at Articles for creation: Synchromysticism (June 27)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Max Bruinsma (June 27)

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This submission appears to be taken from http://maxbruinsma.nl/cv-bio-en.htm. Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly exists under a compatible licence and is written in an acceptable tone—this includes material that you own the copyright to. You should attribute the content of a draft to outside sources, using citations, but copying and pasting or closely paraphrasing sources is not acceptable. The entire draft should be written using your own words and structure.
You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Synchromysticism (June 29)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Chrissymad was:
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Most of these sources are generally unreliable or don't feature necessary usage/coverage.
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Your draft article, Draft:Max Bruinsma

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Thanks Legacypac. This piece needs to be translated to Dutch. I lost track of it. But if I could restore it to follow up that would be best. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)

Editing with a possible conflict of interest

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I have generated the message above in regards to your editing history at Jim Ricks; please note that in the future you will be expected to follow the policies linked above.--SamHolt6 (talk) 23:56, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi SamHolt6, I've added those COI's to my user page. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 15:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Confirmed PAID

Today, Jim Ricks has written to SamHolt6 that the origin of the article was paid work. I suggest you take up with SamHolt6 if there is any way to address the UPE template. David notMD (talk) 00:23, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you David notMD. I had heard from Jim the same, mystery solved I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 01:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
David notMD What is UPE? Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 14:09, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Apologies, meant UDP for undeclared paid, put wrote UPE for undeclared paid editing David notMD (talk) 04:47, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

SamHolt6 on vacation

FYI - SamHolt6 Talk page says on vacation until New Year's Day. You may consider posting a query at that Talk page a couple of days after. Point out that the original creator has declared PAID, and that the article has undergone >150 edits since it was created. That should be enough for SamHolt6 to remove the PAID template. David notMD (talk) 11:44, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Max Bruinsma (January 2)

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Debate in the edit summary

RE: whether White Privilege should address the related concept of White Supremacy, rather than doing a null edit to argue in the edit summary I suggest you'd be better off taking your disagreement to article talk to gain consensus. Simonm223 (talk) 19:42, 30 January 2019

Simonm223 You seem to be confused. First of all I have already started a new section on the talk page. Perhaps take a look. And further I have no disagreement.

Rather I seek to define White Privilege. And it is necassary to focus on what it is and to leave out what it is not. It is not an interchangeable term with White Supremacy. The DuBois quote that is in the article does not benefit from the sentence you reverted. In fact that sentence is off topic and confuses the meaning of the quote. In an effort to maintain neutrality and to disseminate objective information in a clear and concise way... I believe you are dead wrong on this. I will make more edits to improve the page on White Privilege and hope you can respect my improvements. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 19:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

That's a heavily watched page and I suspect you'll have a better time if, instead of assuming that article watchers are dead wrong you seek consensus before making major changes. (talk) 19:56, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I know only that you are dead wrong in this specific instance Simonm223. Youre rational is off topic, and doesnt have much to do with the goals of wiki as I can see. But perhaps you care to enlighten me how confusing people and quotes from historical figures is productive to a neutral encyclopedic entry (and in the name of literary flourish). Give us a break man. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 20:00, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Please stop adding full date of birth to living people, and remove where you have

See WP:BLPPRIVACY. Unless you can show that the date is well known. Remember, even the year needs a reliable source. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 07:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

What pages are you talking about? Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 13:09, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok, Doug Weller. I've had a look. I did this in exactly one case on a page I continue to expand and improve. Not sure if that warrants your weird and vague warning here. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 13:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't think it was at all weird and vague and it certainly wasn't a warning but a request explaining why I made the request. I apologise for thinking you'd done it more than once, I didn't check all your edits but did look at another article you'd editied. Doug Weller talk 16:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok, sorry Doug Weller. Thank you for raising this issue. Although I have only done it twice to my knowledge. Your title startled me and suggested to me that I had been doing so to dozens of articles! Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 15:35, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:American curators and Category:American art curators

I've reverted both category moves because the usual locution for categories is "American". I'm not necessarily inherently opposed to changing it, but given the scope of the change I think you'd be better taking it to WP:CFD for debate. Fair warning: I suspect it's been raised there before, so I'd search for previous discussions on the subject before opening a new one. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:34, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ser Amantio di Nicolao thank you, I saw that revert. I also did it incorrectly, so sorry for that too. It's something that does need to change, so I appreciate your suggestions. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Behavior on talk pages

First let me say that our guidelines on this aren't observed as much as they should be. But we do have a behavioral guideline which is at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Doug Weller talk 11:57, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Doug Weller I'm not sure if you are giving me a polite warning or if something caught your attention? But I have found some editors on here to be... let's just say fairly difficult. And in turn I try to hold my ground. I am the first to admit I am hear to learn as much as give, and I abide by rules if they make sense and I know about them. Perhaps you could be more clear as to what you are referring to and your interest in my activities? Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 16:38, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

I want to add this: I think some of the behaviour I've witnessed on the White Privilege page is gaslighting, bullying, and undemocratic. And I'm not sure how to deal with it. Some editors there are VERY defensive. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 16:47, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

I have experienced the same behaviour. There is a cabal of aggressive editors on the white privilege page who will not allow anything critical to be properly integrated into the article. Unfortunately this tarnishes the reputation of wikipedia as having a NPOV. Keith Johnston (talk) 08:55, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Hesperin Nguyen, I have also experienced what you describe on the "White Privilege" page. As a new editor I admittedly was unfamiliar with all the rules. I just made an edit and argued my case. I was surprised that White Privilege was listed as a fact rather than a theory. But once I made that edit, and it was immediately reverted with terse push back...I was surprised by the defensiveness of editors who are demonstrably wrong. I know I am supposed to assume good faith, but in the end it is obvious that there are a few violators on that talk page. Apparently if a few editors with a WP-NPOV issue get together they can block any truthful edit, and keep their Point of view front and center. Doniboy71 (talk) 08:41, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree and it's unclear to me what the best way forward is. These aggressive editors are very active and excel at filibustering and personal attacks. If you or Doniboy71 (talk) have any ideas on what can be done I would welcome your thoughts. In the meantime these editors will simply not allow critique based on RS. Keith Johnston (talk) 20:16, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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Facebook

Why on earth are you adding Facebook as a source to Visual Artists Ireland? I have removed it, please do not put it back. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP It was to verify the date. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)
Read WP:RS. We do not use Facebook as a source.Some of the other sources you added are similarly bad. For example this diff adds Artquest, a wiki-style member's page. I have also removed it.ThatMontrealIP (talk)
Ok, thanks, that was a mistake. It is a work in progress. There is an issue that I've come across and maybe you can help... Sometimes supporting organisations like galleries do not receive much press themselves even though they might have a long and valuable history. Similarly the VAI is in this category. They are their own publisher of most things, and newspapers don't write articles about them. Any advice appreciated. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)
This is because they are not notable. Notability is not inherited. The artists they present are sometimes notable, but the organizations are rarely notable. You should be carefully synthesizing statements form several discrete sources.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:04, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting notability is inherited. Please don't assume the worst from me. Ok, well what about the case of Kerlin Gallery? They are highly notable with an international reputation, but when looking for supporting citations I found next to nothing. The VAI is a publisher mainly (not sure how to source that), a help desk, and almost a lobbying group. They provide quotes to papers about the conditions and issues of artists. I see you removed a source but why wouldn't you have adjusted the lede? I will work on this later when you are done. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)
To address your edit... They are frequently cited in newspapers. They are not normally the feature of the article. But certainly an organisation of this size and readership has different criteria than an individual. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)
Here for example is an Amazon search with a list of books they produced and this also supports what I wrote. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)
Thanks. I think WP:ORG helps a lot and I will add some more details on this line of reason. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)
You could try, but if you read the entire (long) thread, there is obviously no consensus for a special notability guideline for galleries. Also if gallery cannot meet WP:GNG, then it cannot meet WP:ORG, as ORG requires more sourcing. The community consensus is that galleries without in-depth coverage on the gallery itself are not notable.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:38, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Visual Artists Ireland isn't a gallery, I was only comparing the situation. It is an organisation. Again, thanks for sharing that thread, I did make it pretty far done and find it very interesting. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)
It's an org. I pointed you to that thread as arguing that art galleries or art organizations are notable based on inherited qualities or special considerations is a losing battle.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:25, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
It remains an issue. And my points on the issue I noticed with galleries remain valid regardless of whether or not consensus was reached previously on a thread. Regards. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)

Can I move your comments?

Hi buddy, Do you mind if I move your comments into the "Preferences" subsection above the discussion? I think it will be a little clearer if all the "votes" are in the same place. NickCT (talk) 17:36, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

(talk) that sounds ok. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)

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Cheers I didn't know why or how. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 20:54, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

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Wow, thanks for your work on this DGG! Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 14:56, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

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