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John Joseph Montgomery

I'm a bit concerned about your recent edits to this article: as far as I can see you are citing an unpublished manuscript and a lot of letters that are cited without any details of publication. Unfortunately this counts as original research, and so is not permissable under wikipedia's reules. Just a heads up: as a new editor I would not expect you to know this.TheLongTone (talk) 14:31, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

John Joseph Montgomery

Thank you for pointing that out. I have removed the unpublished primary source references and have substituted them with published primary sources.

On the subject of the Chanute book that keeps coming up. In the Progress...article Chanute is speaking as an interpreter of another person's work (Montgomery) and at no point in his article does he quote or use the term "I". I have preferred to use primary sources in divulging Montgomery's story as it removed the possibility of introducing errors that can come in relying on secondary sources. If you absolutely insist on inserting content that comes out of secondary sources, then you should (i believe) acknowledge and insert content from the other available secondary sources produced by writers who either spoke with Montgomery or were provided with material from Montgomery and subsequently published their understanding of what occurred in the 1880's. As examples, there is Kavanagh (1905a, 1905b), several newspaper interviews in 1905, Ernest L. Jones (1909, 1901, 1911), Lougheed (1909, 1910, 1911, 1912). You will note that Chanute was the only one of those secondary sources who implied there was but one flight accomplished and the two subsequent craft were failures. The rest referred to a plurality of flights with each. Chaunte had the least interaction with Montgomery compared with the others and was writing compiling his interpretations of over 100 other experiments. For this reason he was willing to admit to one correspondent "If it will be of any satisfaction to you to criticize some of my mistakes in print, you can do so; I dare say you can find plenty of them"...(OC to A. De Bausset, 11/13/1900). I personally am willing to explore the narrative through review of the primary sources.

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