User talk:I dream of horses/2019/June

Please comment on Talk:Princess Michael of Kent

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A message from 137.74.150.79 (AfC review request)

Hi, mind reviewing the draft I'm working on? 137.74.150.79 (talk) 14:11, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I always turn down requests to review specific drafts. I'm a little free-spirited that way. Since the article has been deleted three times, it's probably best we contact the deleting admins, anyways, and I'll do so after writing this. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 08:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, however only C.Fred is also an active AfC reviewer for the moment in addition to being a deleting admin of a previous version.137.74.150.79 (talk) 09:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Admins tend to appreciate being informed regardless if they're active in AfC. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 09:24, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Whatever. But when the page importation request was ongoing, admin Xaosflux has hinted that there was a mess drama during the AfD of a last iteration for the article so I think it's best to leave the ball to uninvolved reviewers. 137.74.150.79 (talk) 09:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Right, and you'll get an uninvolved reviewer by waiting for one, and also possibly the opinion of the deleting admins. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 11:13, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, and in the meantime let's have a cake while waiting for the uninvolved reviewer to arrive.137.74.150.79 (talk) 11:52, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

137.74.150.79 (talk) has given you a WikiCake! WikiCakes promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cake, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Spread the tastiness of cakes by adding {{subst:GiveCake}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Update - the draft has been reviewed and accepted, and I gonna move on to adjust Draft:Deqing Moganshan General Airport before flying back to America next month.137.74.150.79 (talk) 13:05, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd have thanked you if that was technically possible.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 23:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. On the other hand please do note that I'll be abandoning this IP identity by next month as I fly back to America from Turkey then so I hope the subsequent users of this IP are not to be confused with me, and to use it responsibly. Anyways it would be nice if a page-watcher or two are available to keep tab on those pages I've successfully incubated, just in case of a new update or to revert vandalism. Have a nice weekend!137.74.150.79 (talk) 13:28, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Then,,, just shortly before the end of May,,, I successfully helped in incubate another article. 137.74.150.79 (talk) 16:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, I did put a shared IP template on your talk page that's appropriate for a proxy IP. I don't think anyone will confuse future users of the IP address with you. If you want to prevent confusion, you should probably register an account and have a secure password.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 00:40, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

I think I might put the "Abandoned" template and maybe blank the talk page when it's at the end. That would help in dissuading the confusion.137.74.150.79 (talk) 05:52, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
• An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
• An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

Technical news

• The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
• Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.

Miscellaneous

• The previously discussed unblocking of IP addresses indefinitely-blocked before 2009 was approved and has taken place.
• The 2019 talk pages consultation produced a report for Phase 1 and has entered Phase 2.

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Please comment on Talk:Donald Trump

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Teahouse Hosts

Hello. Over at the Teahouse we're having a bit of a 'spring clean' by removing old entries from the list of Hosts that new users see. As you don't appear to have been very active there for some time, your 'host profile' has been removed from the list. But please don't let that put you off contributing again in the future - either by signing back up as a Host to assist on a regular basis, or just dropping in whenever you fancy helping out.

Thank you for all your past help and support for new users at the Teahouse. Hope to see you there again soon. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Please verify the page "Saint Durbalnath" as soon as possible

Please verify the above mentioned page. Shubham Nawariya (talk) 08:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Shubham Nawariya: I think you mean "save it from speedy deletion", and since I'm not an admin, that's not my decision to make. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 15:47, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

I removed your maintenance flags on Horizontal Environmental Genetic Alteration Agents

I hope it is justified that I removed the your maintenance flags from the top of the article as I think all of them have been addressed. If you disagree please feel free to return them. Second point: I think it should be considered if the name of the article should be changed to be its more common acronym "HEGAA", however I do not know how I would initiate such a discussion / request. Would you have any suggestions? Thanks Maxj27 (talk) 14:02, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Maxj27: Unfortunately, the article is still orphaned, and so needs to be linked from other articles (not talk pages, etc. but actual articles).

One way to get HEGAA associated with this article is to create a redirect, which I've done. If something else can be abbreviated as HEGAA, it might be converted to a disambiguation-like page. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 15:56, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

I think it is not longer an orphan now. I did not until now understand what Orphan meant. Thanks a lot also for the redirect thing Maxj27 (talk) 18:20, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Your edit (04 JUNE 2019)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Loner_(disambiguation)&diff=900214393&oldid=899766701

Hey just a head's up, I think you may have made a mistake in the above edit. You wrote 'clean up' in your edit summary but you deleted a novel addition. I know that you may have not seen the film personally but a source was provided and you can verify yourself if you would like. If you do have some extra time for wikipedia, the 2019 film needs a new page created and other same named film pages probably could use disambiguation.

refs: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4768160/ https://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/review/loners-2019-film-review-by-jane-fae https://tldrmoviereviews.com/2019/05/27/movie-review-loners/

Cheers! 135.23.239.115 (talk) 16:52, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

• (talk page watcher) Nope, the film doesn't belong in the disambiguation page until it has an article, or at least a verifiable mention in another article. Dab pages don't use references. Create the article about the film first, or even add it to the article on Brian Letscher (currently there's a 2016 TV show of that title listed), and only then add it to dab page. PamD 17:43, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@PamD: Hi, sorry I'm not a wikipedia member and it doesn't say on the "Dab" page that references are prohibited. When I submitted with the reference I did read a message asking to double check for "external links", but i figured since the film was just recently it might be helpful to include the imdb reference. I will re-add the film to the list without the references. I'll link to the Brian Letscher wiki article and correct the date on that page. I cannot create new pages because I am not a member of wikipedia. If you are able to do so and have free time to work on wikipedia, that would be very constructive. Cheers! 135.23.239.115 (talk) 18:32, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Dear IP Editor: please just make it easier for all concerned and register yourself as an editor, do some useful edits, and soon you'll be able to create articles for yourself. For some reason ("Good deed for the day"?) I decided to help out here and have created a sourced stub for this movie, though I'm not sure there's enough coverage for it to count as "notable" - but I'm not familiar with which sources are "Reliable" about current US films. The disambiguation page doesn't need any references because it is only guiding readers to the well-referenced (we hope) information which exists in the encyclopedia. Happy Editing. PamD 19:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Untitled

Emily, fix the The New Adventures of Blinky Bill page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.241.174.197 (talk) 05:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what's wrong with it to begin with. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 05:59, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Tom Hanks was not the developer, and there is also what appears to be vandalism that went unnoticed at the bottom of the production section. 202.241.174.197 (talk) 07:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

So, if I were you, I'd:

1. Remove the vandalism myself
2. Either inquire about whether or not Tom Hanks was the developer on the talk page, or remove the mention of him as well.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 08:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Moved Wikilove here at 03:31, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

About the name

Do you actually dream of horses while you sleep or is something that you just randomly thought of when you created the username. HawkAussie (talk) 03:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@HawkAussie: It was kind of random. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 03:33, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough and good job on keeping Wikipedia in a much cleaner state then what it might otherwise be. HawkAussie (talk) 03:39, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@HawkAussie: No problem. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 05:06, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Halsey

Hi, I was just wondering why my latest edit on her page was removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikki J 99 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nikki J 99: It appeared that you changed her birthdate to after the day she died.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 05:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@I dream of horses: Halsey never died and I did not change her birthdate?

@Nikki J 99: Sorry, I think I had you confused with another edit I reverted. I reverted since it seemed that your edit wasn't entirely neutral, per the links I left you in my message to you, and had some weasel words. The article itself, on a second look, might've had some issues before you edited, so go ahead and take the message with a grain of salt, if you wish.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 05:37, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Delete your greeting?

I saw your welcome to DPByTwoBigBros. As the user name suggests, this is not a nice person, and his only edit was grossly offensive. I've indeffed him, revdeled his posting and removed his name from the edit too, but I haven't revoked talk page access yet, although I'll remove talk page access if he abuses it. As it stands, he could post something offensive to you there. Do you want me to delete your welcome, or just take your chances? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:38, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak: I'll take the chances, given that you've already indeffed the guy and it's been a little bit, so boredom has probably set in. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 06:58, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

A message from Texacomexico

Can you edit my biography

Texacomexico (talk) 13:23, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Texacomexico: How so? -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 16:08, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Fortescue (surname)

Why did you delete the references from Fortescue (surname)? It's not a disambiguation page, and while the references may not be ideal, they're at least better than a 'name you new baby' blog. Leschnei (talk) 12:59, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Teahouse request intended for you

It appears there were two drafts submitted regarding McKelvy House. One draft is pretty short and poorly formatted and the other looks decent at first glance. The submitting editor left the following message on the Teahouse regarding the drafts (but didn't use the ping/reply feature correctly):
McKelvy House Page

@IDREAMOFHORSES

We submitted two versions of the same page, but the second submitted page is much more complete. Can we delete the first and submit the longer, more complete page, please? THANK YOU! — Precedingunsigned comment added by Tabassum Alam (talk|C|TB| • contribs) 6:19 pm, Today (UTC−4)

I believe they're asking you to ignore the pending review of the short article, and to review the larger Draft:McKelvy House which you've already declined instead.
Orville1974 (talk) 22:43, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

A message from MockerHex hey hey dude, wanted to know whats the average amount of time for a page to be published for the general audience

hey hey dude, wanted to know whats the average amount of time for a page to be published for the general audience MockerHex (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

@MockerHex: If you're talking about an Articles for Creation draft, it can take up to two months but is otherwise difficult to predict.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 00:44, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Moved wikilove here at 19:01, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Fortescue

Maybe disambiguation pages shouldn't have something that needs cited, but if they do have something that is cited, the solution is to remove the material, not just removing the citation and leaving the material that needed it, in complete violation off WP:V. Agricolae (talk) 19:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Agricolae: Fortescue doesn't have anything controversial that needs to be cited, though.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 19:19, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Somebody sure thought it did or they wouldn't have included the cites. Agricolae (talk) 19:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Agricolae: If they still think that, they can come talk to me directly.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 19:27, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

I removed the material that the cites were documenting, as should have been done from the start. Agricolae (talk) 19:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Agricolae: I reverted it. If this mysterious 'somebody' still thinks it needs to be cited, they can still speak to me directly. If they can't even figure out how to email me (links to the userpage section containing how to do so via Special:EmailUser are here on my talk page), unfortunately there are severe issues with technological competence that would interfere with Wikipedia. Until then, it can stay.

A surname meaning 'strong shield' typically isn't controversial. No need to remove that, IMO.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 19:38, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Agricolae: If you revert my edit again, I will have to report the both of us to the edit war noticeboard. The worst case scenario from doing that is we both get blocked temporarily. I'll advise you to please cease and desist reverting immediately.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 19:50, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Go ahead, make your report. Maybe when you do you can explain how it is that you are declaring that challenged text to be sacrosanct, neither do be documented nor removed. Agricolae (talk) 19:59, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

It was dubious enough with the cites, which represented the credulous just-so-stories of centuries-old family tradition, but at least someone could see what kind of sources made the claim. Now you want to declare it uncontroversial truth based on, what? your gut feeling alone? Agricolae (talk) 19:59, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Based on about 12 years of editing (see my user page for previous accounts), I think it's non-controversial. So, sure, I suppose you could spin to being my intuition or "gut feeling" alone, but that's something that develops with experience.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 20:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

And with my however long I have been editing, I have not found 'it is uncontroversial because I say it is, in spite of your claims to the contrary', to be a convincing argument. Anyhow, maybe with all your years of experience, you can explain why it is that you have decided to treat this Set index article as if it was a disambiguation page. Note that guideline explicitly lists surname pages among Other types of SIAs and further, it states that "Fundamentally, a set index article is a type of list article", and guess what? List articles can have citations. Agricolae (talk) 20:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Agricolae, fundamentally set indexes are list articles, but, at least in the case of human names, there appears be no difference between them and disambiguation pages of peoples' names.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 22:00, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Except there is a difference. Lists allow citations. Agricolae (talk) 22:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Agricolae, right, except in this case, this is a set index basically being used as a disambiguation page. I really don't understand how it's different beyond the ceremony of calling it a list article.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 02:05, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

It is different because the guideline says it is different. Lists can have citations, disambiguation pages should not, and rather than being a ceremonial distinction the difference determines which citation policy applies. As to it 'being used as a disambiguation page', that is clearly not the case. Disambiguation pages distinguish among subjects that might be referred to (or searched for) by exactly the same text string (e.g. people sharing the name John Smith). This page is not doing that, it is simply listing people with different given names who share the same surname. Further, if this was truly a disambiguation page, then it should begin simply "Fortescue may refer to the following people:", and nothing more. Any attempt to describe the surname, such as the text on its origin and meaning that you have insisted on reinserting, is a description of the unifying characteristic of a list, not disambiguation. Anyhow, such disagreements over how similar a list might appear to a disambiguation page are subjective and entirely unnecessary. The prohibition against citations on disambiguation pages does not apply to surname pages because the guideline tells us they are not disambiguation pages, they are lists by definition. Agricolae (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Agricolae: I still don't quite get it. "Because policy says so" doesn't quite make me content. I'm more interested in the why of the policy.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 06:43, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

The 'why' of the guideline is for the same reasons that cause this page not to be a disambiguation page: 1) because were it a disambiguation page it could only disambiguate people who would otherwise occupy exactly the same namespace - disambiguation pages are not used to distinguish every instance where a word occurs, they do full matches; and 2) it is so that a surname page can describe the origin of the surname, what type of surname it is, its ethnicity, distribution, etc., material inappropriate for a disambiguation page but pertinent to a surname page, and that represents novel encyclopedic content of the type subject to WP:V. These descriptions can be extensive, even excessive (Hackett (surname),Belknap (surname), Spencer (surname)) or they can be minimal (Audley (surname), Ayala (surname), Stanton (surname), Zimmer (surname)), but having such descriptive content is a desirable feature of a surname page that would be inappropriate were they just disambiguation pages, while classifying them as not disambiguation pages places the appropriate burden of verifiability, proportionality, etc. on such descriptive information - if novel information can be included, it likewise can be (and in many cases needs be) cited. In restoring non-disambiguation content to the Fortescue article, as you have twice done, you are effectively recognizing that this is not simply a disambiguation page, but it leaves you pushing for mutually incompatible conclusions, that the material must be there (not a disambiguation page) but can't possibly be cited (disambiguation page). Agricolae (talk) 13:15, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Agricolae: All right, got it. Sorry about all this.

I'm still a little confused as to why the information being cited would be seen as controversial. Is it the word "epithet"?  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 22:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

It is because family history before the 20th century is rife with claims of origin that are simply made up. Many of the English noble families could not be traced before the mid-12th century, but the families invented, or had invented for them, fantastical origins, with just-so-stories explaining their coats of arms and in some cases their surnames. Claimed surname origin tales that rely solely on such pre-20th century material must be viewed with skepticism. This origin of the surname may be authentic, but I would not view it as such based on the cited sources (and certainly wouldn't without the cited sources). Agricolae (talk) 00:38, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Agricolae, OKay, got it.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 03:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Agricolae: By the way, I do not appreciate you reverting me again before getting a chance to respond. I had work yesterday, and decided to unplug the computer after being on all day. I won't go forth with the noticeboard report, though I technically can. If you hadn't been so incredibly insistent on reverting me, I would not have been so difficult for you to deal with. Reverting like this outside of the context of vandalism is very incivil, and I would highly advise against it in the future.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 22:24, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

My perspective of this content dispute has been rather different than yours. Would you like to hear what I did not appreciate? my advice to you? Agricolae (talk) 00:38, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Agricolae: Perhaps this is hypocritical of me (I'm a bit flawed), but unsolicited advice is actually a pet peeve of mine, so thanks for asking if you can give it.

You can go ahead and give advice, your perspective, etc. I may or may not take your advice in the way you'd like/expect, but I'll read it and it'll most likely alter my behavior in the future.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 03:49, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

I will modify your own words: if you hadn't been so incredibly insistent on your version of the page, I would not have been so difficult for you to deal with. My perspective was that you arrived making a unilateral change to a page you had not previously edited, then seemed to claim ownership over it. Not only did you revert my attempt to restore the status quo ante pending discussion, you also rejected the alternative I suggested - your version and only your version was acceptable. And you went further, indicating that if anyone didn't like it they should come here and talk about it with you (as opposed to discussing it on the Fortescue Talk page), again suggesting that you were now claiming the right of refusal over any other edits. And finally, you reinforced this by decrying that I did not wait indefinitely for you to grant me permission to again edit the page. Then there are the repeated threats to report me - what do you think would have happened when you did that? The first thing an administrator usually does is return the page to the version before the dispute - the version I returned it to. If you make a change and it gets reverted, the burden is on you to make your case before you put your text back in (WP:BRD). Saying 'If you don't let remain the version I keep changing it to, I will report you' is not how it is supposed to work. I could go on, but I will just give my advice: that you not project such a sense of entitlement in such disputes. Agricolae (talk) 04:54, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Agricolae, I can assure you that I don't usually act this way on Wikipedia, but rigidity is a struggle that I have in real life.

ETA: I felt like I needed, twice, to get you to communicate on my talk page to explain things to my satisfaction. Perhaps this is an area where you need to improve on. It's not an excuse, in any case, so again, I apologize. This is honestly my first big conflict on Wikipedia where the other party had any interest in not only (eventually) communicating at all, but also doing so in a civil-ish fashion, so I'll probably improve in the future. Thanks for saying what you said, in any case.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 07:25, 21 June 2019 (UTC) (added paragraph at 07:37, 21 June 2019 (UTC)) (fixed unindent at 01:53, 22 June 2019 (UTC){

A message from DDB9000

Hello again (maybe?)

I have been having horrid problems, and as such, I am writing to the info@wikipedia.

I decided to have you see this also, as I am clearly WAY out of my depth suddenly... below is that e-mail

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Hello,

  I have been editing various pages in the last few hours, and after first being contacted a very nice person (I dream of horses), I am now being accused of vandalism which couldn't been further from the truth.

This is what has been said...

"This is a message letting you know that one or more of your recent edits to The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys has been undone by an automated computer program called ClueBot NG.

   ClueBot NG makes very few mistakes, but it does happen. If you believe the change you made was constructive, please read about it, report it here, remove this message from your talk page, and then make the edit again.
   For help, take a look at the introduction.
   The following is the log entry regarding this message: The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys was changed by DDB9000 (u) (t) ANN scored at 1 on 2019-06-23T02:09:32+00:00

Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 02:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys. Your edits continue to appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. 122.108.183.105 (talk) 02:13, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Shoot Out at the Fantasy Factory, you may be blocked from editing. Butter72 (talk) 02:17, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at When the Eagle Flies. Butter72 (talk) 02:17, 23 June 2019 (UTC)"

Here is a link showing the last revision I made...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Low_Spark_of_High_Heeled_Boys&diff=next&oldid=903033430&diffonly=1

This is how I responded...

"I changed my most recent edit to be more accurate, than the previous one, pointing out that it is ONLY the front cover that gives the 3D illusion. A previous iteration stated that is was a 'die-cut cover' which is not really correct. A die-cut cover generally refers to covers that have holes in them."

...and...

"I don't exactly get what's going on here. I realised that I changed the page a couple of times because after finishing I noticed I had made small errors.

I am not doing any 'vandalism', I just am not familiar with all the methods here, like apparently the "Sandbox". Instead of using that, I kept saving the page, and then when I realised I made a mistake

The information that I provided in my last edit is correct and in no way could be considered malicious in any way. If you just read what the differences are you will see I am IMPROVING the page, not vandalising it."

I think part of the problem here is that I have a very old, slow computer, and the page says... "Could not connect to the reCAPTCHA service."

Ever since they recently made changes, I cannot access reCAPTCHAs on my home computer anymore

I have also tried to 'talk' to these people who are falsely accusing me, but to no avail.

After getting the e-mail from I dream of horses, I responded to her

"Hello Emily,

 I wanted to thank you for your e-mail, and I wanted to tell a little bit about the Wiki stuff I've been doing.

 I have actually been making edits here and there for some time now. I had signed up and got a password and all that, and at some point I lost that info and tried to retrieve it to no avail. So I had been making anonymous edits until I recently straightened out the password thingy. I am a big music fan and a longtime record collector and as such this is where I have making edits.

 Recently a boxed-set of LP of the British band Traffic was released, and from talking with another collector, it was recently made clear that something that was believed to be a fact was not. And so I decided I needed to fix that, as I might have added the incorrect fact myself. So it was at this point I decided to get that password thingy set up again.

 As such, I have been making little edits here and there about Traffic albums, adding more info and fixing any (usually minor) mistakes I see, making sure I've checked the info as best as I can. As I have a very slow computer at home, sometimes it may seem like I'm doing more than I have, but much of the time is just waiting for the changes to go through.

 I'm pretty clear about how to make most of the edits and when I do make a mistake it's usually cause of a missing character, or dumb spelling mismatch.

 But I thank you for making you knowledge available, and if I need anything in particular, I'll let you know.

Take care! DDB9000 (David)"

Ironically when I wasn't signed on, I was also making mistakes and re-doing things. Now, suddenly that I'm 'official' I'm being accused of vandalism(!) for just not knowing exactly the way to do it right. I just want people to have the best facts at hand and use my knowledge to help. Isn't that the idea of Wikipedia?

This is really me...

David Ithaca, NY ILPS9000@yahoo.com

Is there a human who can understand what is going on and help me?

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Maybe it's you - take care i any case, Emily DDB9000 (talk) 03:20, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@DDB9000: Well, it looks like you're in a bit of trouble, though even I am bit unsure as to why.

To clarify, Cluebot NG is a bot, but no one else who reverted is. So perhaps Butter72, or the IP editor who reverted you can better explain what's going on.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 04:36, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I apologise for any inconvenience caused by the edits I have made. This was a mistake that I have made because a ClueBot NG reverted your edits. This was the first time I had made a mistake reverting something that wasn’t actually vandalism. I have reverted the page to your revision. Thank you, 122.108.183.105 (talk) 06:48, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@IP: To be fair to you, I've also made mistakes reverting edits, and I'm quite the experienced editor with access to semi-automated editing tools. Happens to everyone. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 08:51, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

A message from Hitesh2617

Hey,

i have added an incoming link to it. Can you please review ? curious to learn more. 

This is regarding the orphan tag - You have given on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aanand_Kumar_(_IAS) page. I have added more links to this article. Can you please recheck and give me your feedback on this again.

Hitesh2617 (talk) 08:52, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hitesh2617, you don't quite understand. {{orphan}} refers to links to the article, not from the article. So, try to link to Aanand Kumar ( IAS) from other articles to add to this list.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 08:54, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Aanand_Kumar_(_IAS)

I have added 2 external sources ( links ) but still the orphan tag is not going an you please help me ? i am curious to learn more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitesh2617 (talk • contribs) 09:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Hitesh2617: You need to link Aanand Kumar from other articles. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 19:20, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Regarding orphan status of Anand_Kumar_IAS

Hello, thanks for the help. I wanted to to let you know that i have linked Ministry of New and Renewable Energy ‎& Ministry of Tourism (India) to anand kumar IAS still orphan tag is there. you can check - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Anand_Kumar_IAS

please help me on this. TIA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitesh2617 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Hitesh2617: I have removed the orphan tag. Thank you for linking the page. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 08:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for teaching me. @I_dream_of_horses — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitesh2617 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Hitesh2617: No problem!  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 09:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I added a footnote, but...

Hello I dream of horses,

Please be kind, as I am new at this. I corrected the birthdate on Elizabeth O'Farrell's page, and today attempted to add a footnote explaining the change and including a citation to the source. However, the footnote is not properly lined up with the rest of the footnotes, and I don't know how to fix it. I thank you in advance for any help you can offer.

EireHistorian (talk) 18:10, 25 June 2019 (UTC) ÉireHistorian

EireHistorian, it looks like Adam9007 or PamD might've fixed it for you.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 21:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Australian Independents

This was not vandalism. The sections I am removing have absolutely no sources. I am returning the story to a long standing, sourced and relevant version. Please read both versions before making these decisions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.199.107.229 (talk) 21:49, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

I notice you haven't really gotten into the habit of using edit summaries yet. If you start to use them, people are less likely to revert you. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 21:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

A message from 90.219.105.72

I edited a football player Luke Gambin. You stated his contract starts on July 1st. However a former player for Colchester United (Brennan Dickenson) left the club to join MK Dons. His contract also doesn't start there till July 1st, however all his details have already been moved over to MK Dons. You can't have 1 rule for 1 player and another rule for another. 90.219.105.72 (talk) 18:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

I think you meant to talk to LTFC 95. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 00:44, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@90.219.105.72: Can you provide a reliable source that states that Brennan Dickenson's contract begins on 1 July? I have a checked a number of sources, none of which mention this. I have removed this from the article as it is not supported by the source. LTFC 95 (talk) 18:01, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

LTFC 95, you have to use {{talkback}} templates with IPs, unfortunately.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 21:16, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I am so new to this and very confused.

I love researching and documenting places on maps. My favorite pastime is documenting places that reality shows go to, such as the Amazing Race. I've been editing the Food Truck page Season 10 information. It's a learning experience for sure as I'm not familiar with CSS and HTML. My daughter is a linguist, so she's helping me. So far, the only concern is citing the bio's I've listed. I hope that was enough to prevent plagiarism. Thanks for your message and offering to help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NJS36 (talk • contribs) 2:50, June 27, 2019 (UTC)

@NJS36: Thankfully, I didn't accuse you of plagiarism. I'm not sure if someone else did, but I didn't. I gave you a welcome template. Welcome again to Wikipedia!  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 21:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Random but

If you ever decide to dabble in american sign language again - what helped me learn was using songs that I enjoyed that are rather slow - and learning the words one by one. The repetition, melody, and use of common words in most songs helped me out tremendously. Of course grammer in asl is slightly different but words matter more starting off — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mk170101 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Mk170101, that's actually really good advice. Thanks.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 01:10, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

I wanted to say that I really appreciate you jumping in to warn User:TaylorNation Official about their WP:COI issues. As you were doing that I made a report to the WP:UAA regarding the account. Maybe it was a bit premature but I didn't know what the intent of the account was and their edits seemed speculatory. Being a fan of Taylor Swift I knew that if it wasn't addressed immediately it could become a problem in no time.

It's good to meet someone else that has vandalism patrolling on their radar. If there is ever anything I could do to assist you, or if you think you may be able to assist me in any way, don't hesitate to let me know. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Edits) 23:36, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

No1lakersfan, thanks for being a vandal fighter as well. If you haven't already, look into programs such as huggle that will make vandal fighting easier.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 23:50, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

@I dream of horses: Thanks, I will definitely check in to the huggle program. I have been doing a lot of editing on an iPad and I have found the Twinkle add-on is very helpful in those cases. Anything that works to keep the vandals' mischievous behavior out of Wikipedia is a great thing. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Edits) 23:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

@I dream of horses: Maybe sometime you can help me work on my User and Talk pages. I just recently started back with Wikipedia and like what you have done with your pages. I don't necessarily want to copy what you have done, but I want to improve my page over what I have now. (p.S. I kind of did steal the infobox from your page, but changed info to reflect me. Hope that isn't a problem!) --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Edits) 00:34, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

No1lakersfan, I think I "stole" the infobox from someone else, actually. Feel free to get more inspiration from mine.  I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 04:23, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

@I dream of horses: I appreciate it. I promise anything I use from your page that you created I will give you credit for it. One thing I will say is I, too suffer from mild depression at times. I don’t talk a lot about it publicly but it’s nice to know someone else with a similar situation. I also identify as ISTJ with the Myers Briggs personality traits. I’m glad to have you as a friend. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Edits) 15:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)