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Administrators' newsletter - February 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
  • Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
  • The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration

Obituaries

  • JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

13:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

4th GA Cup - Round 3

WikiProject Good Articles's 2016 GA Cup - Round 3

Hello, GA Cup competitors!

Sunday saw the end of Round 2. Shearonink took out Round 2 with an amazing score of 499. In second place, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga earned an astounding 236 points, and in third place, Cartoon network freak received 136 points. Originally, we had plans for one wild card for 9th place, however it appears that both Chris troutman and J Milburn were tied for 9th place. Therefore, we have decided to have both advance to Round 3.

In Round 2, 91 reviews were completed! At the beginning of this GA Cup, the longest wait was over 7 months; at the end of Round 2, the longest wait had decreased to a little over 6 months. It's clear that we continue to make a difference at GAN and throughout Wikipedia, something we should all be proud of. Thanks to all our competitors for helping to make the GA Cup a continued success, and for your part in helping other editors improve articles. We hope to see all remaining users fighting it out in Round 3 so we can keep decreasing the backlog.

To qualify for the third round, contestants had to earn the two highest scores in each of the four pools in Round 2; plus, one wildcard. For Round 3, users were placed in 3 random pools of 3. To qualify for the Final of the 3rd Annual GA Cup, the top user in each pool will progress, and there will also be one wildcard. This means that the participant who comes in 4th place (all pools combined) will also move on. Round 3 has already started and will end on February 26 at 23:59:59 UTC. Information about Round 3 and the pools can be found here.

Also, we'd like to announce the departure of judge Zwerg Nase. We thank him for all his hardwork and hope to see him back in the future.

Good luck and have fun!

Cheers from Figureskatingfan, 3family6, Jaguar, and MrWooHoo.

To subscribe or unsubscribe to future GA Cup newsletter, please add or remove your name to our mailing list. If you are a participant still competing, you will be on the mailing list no matter what as this is the easiest way to communicate between all participants.

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Your GA nomination of USS Dictator

The article USS Dictator you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:USS Dictator for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.2

Hello Iazyges/Archives/2017,
A HUGE backlog

We now have 816 New Page Reviewers!
Most of us requested the user right at PERM, expressing a wish to be able to do something about the huge backlog, but the chart on the right does not demonstrate any changes to the pre-user-right levels of October.

Hitting 17,000 soon

The backlog is still steadily growing at a rate of 150 a day or 4,650 a month. Only 20 reviews a day by each reviewer over the next few days would bring the backlog down to a managable level and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
It didn't work in time to relax for the Xmas/New Year holidays. Let's see if we can achieve our goal before Easter, otherwise by Thanksgiving it will be closer to 70,000.

Second set of eyes

Remember that we are the only guardians of quality of new articles, we alone have to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged by non-Reviewer patrollers and that new authors are not being bitten.

Abuse

This is even more important and extra vigilance is required considering Orangemoody, and

  1. this very recent case of paid advertising by a Reviewer resulting in a community ban.
  2. this case in January of paid advertising by a Reviewer, also resulting in a community ban.
  3. This Reviewer is indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry.

Coordinator election

Kudpung is stepping down after 6 years as unofficial coordinator of New Page Patrolling/Reviewing. There is enough work for two people and two coords are now required. Details are at NPR Coordinators; nominate someone or nominate yourself. Date for the actual suffrage will be published later.


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Thanks for your work on Quintus Fabius Maximus Gurges (consul 265 BC)

Thank you for taking the time to review the proposed deletion of this article, and fix the issues! I hope my subsequent edits didn't ruin your work. I started on it when I saw a PROD notice appear unexpectedly on the talk page of another article, in the middle of a move discussion, and although I couldn't see anything on the Gurges article, I assumed that it would be proposed for deletion as soon as the editor realized his "mistake". So I undertook to fix the same problems that you did, apparently neglecting to check recent edits to discover that you'd already deprodded it. As it turned out, there was still a serious issue of potentially duplicated material between two biographies perhaps representing the same individual. So I spent my morning revising both of them to try and work out 1) whether there could reasonably be two of them, and 2) if so, what to say about the controversy in each article. I finally resolved this by focusing the prodded article on the controversy as to his identity, without duplicating most of the other material (although there wasn't really much else to duplicate anyway). Only this morning, when I saw the deprod notice, and tried to figure out what changes had been made in the process, did I realize you'd already worked to fix the problems. So I wanted to let you know that your efforts were sincerely appreciated! P Aculeius (talk) 14:49, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

@P Aculeius: No problem! -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:02, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

RFC and DRN

You were correct. An RFC takes precedence over DRN. Thank you for noticing the RFC. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXX, February 2017

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I am not puppet!

are you idiot? (Idot (talk) 18:26, 7 February 2017 (UTC))

  • check my global contribution dumb ass! (Idot (talk) 18:31, 7 February 2017 (UTC))
@Idot: 1. Chill out. 2. That has nothing to do with VP:M. 3. Your post highly resembled a post made by a sockpuppet. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:19, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Macedonia (ancient kingdom)

Hi Iazyges! I'm sorry that another was able to review my GA nominee Europeans in Medieval China before you were able to tackle it. I'd like to know if you'd be interested in reviewing Macedonia (ancient kingdom) instead, my latest Good Article nominee. Do you have time for this sort of thing? If so I'd be very grateful if you could review it. The GA review process is so damned slow otherwise! Pericles of AthensTalk 12:52, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure thing PericlesofAthens, I'm about to leave the house right now, but I should be able to start on it as soon as I get back! -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 13:42, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Katherine Johnson

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Mongolia is not and was not a part of China!About-a-treaty of Kyakhta (1915)

It was unjust and agreement violations by butt and international laws and regulations against small and poor-country.16:32, 10 February 2017 (UTC)Wrote from Ulan-bator-Mongolia!....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.181.179.209 (talk)

Raqqa

Hi and thank you for dealing with RMT requests. Re this – I don't think it's generally a good idea to move a talk page without leaving a redirect if it has incoming links. – Uanfala (talk) 14:58, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Emmett Till

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Please comment on Talk:Sirius

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February 2017

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed a file deletion tag from File:DebraKahnTolchinsky.jpg. When removing deletion tags, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 02:47, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@Whpq: Sorry, I removed the DI under the belief it was being DI'd for not being used, rather than the possibility of there being a free version. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:18, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Taiwan

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Please comment on Talk:George Wylde

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New Page Review-Patrolling: Coordinator elections

Your last chance to nominate yourself or any New Page Reviewer, See Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Coordination. Elections begin Monday 20 February 23:59 UTC. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:17, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

hi, I noticed you watch the above page, this request was posted [1] 2 days ago(UTC), I was wondering if you might be able to help, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:08, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Willie and Joe

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Guild of Copy Editors February 2017 News

Guild of Copy Editors February 2017 News

Hello everyone, and welcome to the February 2017 GOCE newsletter. The Guild has been busy since the last time your coordinators sent out a newsletter!

December blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 11 through 17 December; the themes were Requests and eliminating the November 2015 backlog. Of the 14 editors who signed up, nine editors completed 29 articles. Barnstars and rollover totals are located here. Thanks to all who took part.

January drive: The January drive was a great success. We set out to remove December 2015 and January and February 2016 from our backlog (195 articles), and by 22 January we had cleared those and had to add a third month (March 2016). At the end of the month we had almost cleared out that last month as well, for a total of 180 old articles removed from the backlog! We reduced our overall backlog by 337 articles, to a low of 1,465 articles, our second-lowest month-end total ever. We also handled all of the remaining requests from December 2016. Officially, 19 editors recorded 337 copy edits (over 679,000 words).

February blitz: The one-week February blitz, focusing on the remaining March 2016 backlog and January 2017 requests, ran from 12 to 18 February. Seven editors reduced the total in those two backlog segments from 32 to 10 articles, leaving us in good shape going in to the March drive.

Coordinator elections for the first half of 2017: In December, coordinators for the first half of 2017 were elected. Jonesey95 stepped aside as lead coordinator, remaining as coordinator and allowing Miniapolis to be the lead, and Tdslk and Corinne returned as coordinators. Thanks to all who participated!

Speaking of coordinators, congratulations to Jonesey95 on their well-deserved induction into the Guild of Copy Editors Hall of Fame. The plaque reads: "For dedicated service as lead coordinator (2014, 1 July – 31 December 2015 and all of 2016) and coordinator (1 January – 30 June 2015 and 1 January – 30 June 2017); exceptional template-creation work (considerably streamlining project administration), and their emphasis on keeping the GOCE a drama-free zone."

Housekeeping note: We do not send a newsletter before every drive or blitz. To have a better chance of knowing when the next event will start, add the GOCE's message box to your watchlist.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Miniapolis, Jonesey95, Corinne and Tdslk.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:21, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

NPP stats

Hi Iazyges, you left a message at this query request - did you manage to take a look? -- Samtar talk · contribs 10:19, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

User:Samtar Yeah I did, I started it at User:Iazyges/Stats. But counting out how many patrols there were is a pain in the rear, so I'm only gonna do the other 4 ones. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

NPP training

Hi Iazyges! I've been doing new page patrol over the last week or so, and wanted to keep learning about how to do new pages patrol. Wikipedia:New pages patrol/School has you listed as an instructor, so I decided to ask. Please let me know if you can do this, as well as your schedule; lots of the time during the week, (as an aside, I'm in EST) I will be in class, and unable to respond, though after classes I will be able to. Thanks! MereTechnicality 22:47, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

(Another thing: I did apply for the NPP right about 2 weeks ago, but was denied because my account didn't meet the 90-day threshold by about 6 days. Just to let you know.) MereTechnicality 22:49, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
User:MereTechnicality Sure thing! I'm not as active as I have been in past, due to school mostly, but I should have time enough to help you. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! MereTechnicality 23:28, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Where/when do I start? Let me know what times work for you (or what times don't work for you). Most of my free time is between 3 and 6 PM EST/8 and 11 PM UCT, though there is a small amount of free time outside of that time. MereTechnicality 23:36, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
The first thing to do would be to familiarize yourself with CSD, PROD and AFD reasons, and deletion policy in general, then read up on NPP policy. The rest is mostly experience based. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:45, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
I live in CST, should be available around those hours. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:46, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay. I think that I'm pretty familiar with CSD. The only problems that I have are with pages that only contain infoboxes; whether to tag something as a test or as vandalism (though I often figure that out based on how new the creator is); and whether to tag suspected (not confirmed) sockpuppet's pages as G5. For PROD, it's where the page, for whatever reason, does not need to exist, and the deletion would be uncontroversial. (BLPPROD is where it's a BLP and there are no sources. In contrast to PROD the template can only be deleted when sources have been added) AfD is basically the same thing, but where the deletion would be controversial (including if the author deletes the PROD template).
I have dinner now, so I'm going to go eat. I would like to know what to do with regards to the CSD confusion I listed above. Thank you for mentoring me! MereTechnicality 23:59, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Infobox only is currently being discussed, and currently has no definitely answer, PROD is usually "no sources for x years", or other such concerns. The sockpuppet G5 thing doesn't technically work until they are actually banned, but almost all sockpuppet pages I've seen fit G4. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:00, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Usually all the recreations I see go through CSD, which is not counted under G4. Does the 10-15 minute "grace period" for A1, A3, and A7 apply to recreated articles? Or can I tag them immediately? MereTechnicality 17:44, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Shouldn't do according to everything I've seen, especially if the article was recreated after being deleted under one of them. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:45, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay. Something unrelated to NPP, is there a way to make it so I don't have to keep adding colons to replies? MereTechnicality 17:50, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Go to your mw:User:MereTechnicality/global.js and add mw.loader.load( '//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Perhelion/signing.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' ); to it. It automatically adds another colon when you hit return on a line. It also signs your comments automatically. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:55, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to have worked. Oh well, that's okay. Can you clarify what you meant when you said "PROD is usually "no sources for x years", or other such concerns"? MereTechnicality 19:53, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Prod is meant to literally "prod" or poke, someone into action, ie "please fix this, if you don't it will get deleted", whereas AFD is for larger problems. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 22:05, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I was under the impression it was for Proposed Delete. MereTechnicality 22:08, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
It is, but it also works literally, basically a wake up call. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 22:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

(wrapping discussion back out of the colons) Ah, ok. Should I use PROD on new articles where it should be deleted and no CSD apply? MereTechnicality 22:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Not really, prod tends to be for longstanding problems, such as lack of citations etc. Usually it is used for niche subjects, such as some obscure protein, but it wouldn't be used for say "Donald Trump's cabinet" even if it had no citations, because it is a matter of high public interest. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 22:14, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Alright, got it. You said that I should learn deletion policy, then read up on NPP policy. I've read WP:NPP, and every page linked on WP:NPP school. Are there other essays/guidelines you'd recommend that I read? MereTechnicality 00:54, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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New Page Review - newsletter No.3

Hello Iazyges/Archives/2017,

Voting for coordinators has now begun HERE and will continue through/to 23:59 UTC Monday 06 March. Please be sure to vote. Any registered, confirmed editor can vote. Nominations are now closed.

Still a MASSIVE backlog

We now have 816 New Page Reviewers but despite numerous appeals for help, the backlog has NOT been significantly reduced.
If you asked for the New Page Reviewer right, please consider investing a bit of time - every little helps preventing spam and trash entering the mainspace and Google when the 'NO_INDEX' tags expire.


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The future of NPP and AfC

Voting for coordinators has now begun HERE and will continue through/to 23:59 UTC Monday 06 March. The coordinators will do their best for for the advancement of the improvement of NPP and AfC and generally keep tracks on the development of those things. Coordinators have no additional or special user benefits, but they will be 'go to' people and will try to keep discussions in the right places. This very much involves this project too, especially with growing renewed interest around the site about what WP:ACTRIAL was all about.

Please be sure to vote. Any registered, confirmed editor can vote. Nominations are now closed.


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This Barnstar is for you!

The Reviewer's Barnstar
You have demonstrated great effort and dedication in assessing and reviewing Wikipedia articles for their good quality! Thank you! SILENTRESIDENT 16:35, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Ty Law

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Your GA nomination of USS Dictator

The article USS Dictator you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:USS Dictator for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:41, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Germany

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Please comment on Talk:Operation Léa

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RFC on routine file deletion

Hi Iazyges. Just noticed you closed this after only about a week of discussion. As per Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Ending RfCs, RfCs are usually open for 30 days. If you want the community to accept this proposal as a new policy, then I think you should re-open the discussion, allow it to run for another three weeks, and advertise the discussion at Template:Centralized discussion or via watchlist notice. Regards, FASTILY 09:36, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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Unused License Tags

Hi Iazyges. FastilyBot compiles a weekly list of free license tags that can be sorted by transclusion count. It might be useful to some of your recent work. Regards, FASTILY 10:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@Fastily: Thanks, its super helpful! -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Battle of France

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March Madness 2017

G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:

  • tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
  • updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
  • creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.

For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Review for Germanicus article

I'd really appreciate it if you could review the article Germanicus. Any thoughts on the article would be nice. I saw you got Iazyges promoted to GA status, which is what I'd like to do with Germanicus in the future. Psychotic Spartan 123 09:50, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@PsychoticSpartan123: Will do. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:04, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of USS Dictator

The article USS Dictator you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:USS Dictator for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:41, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Operation Storm

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