User talk:Ihor tverdomed

Paid editing[edit]

As previously advised, your edits give the impression you have a financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. You were asked to cease editing until you responded by either stating that you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits, or by complying with the mandatory requirements under the Wikimedia Terms of Use that you disclose your employer, client and affiliation. Again, you can post such a disclosure on your user page at User:Ihor tverdomed, and the template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Ihor tverdomed|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. Please respond before making any other edits to Wikipedia. ~~~~ Theroadislong (talk) 13:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My name is Ihor Tverdomed. I live in New York. I edited the only one article about the restaurant that is located in the middle of Manhattan.

As I don't have an experience in editing Wikipedia articles, I asked my friend to help me, so he created the page. No money/paid services were involved.

I can assure that this restaurant is a legitimate company that operates already for more than 40 years and can be an interest for anyone: from the food industry observers to the restaurant reviewers.

It is proved by the references, such as NY Times articles and NY Post. Ihor tverdomed (talk) 14:00, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK if it passes WP:NCORP a reviewer will be sure to accept it. Theroadislong (talk) 14:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are editing using your real name and Google search shows that you may well have a conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 14:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just started the article and eliminated all the advertisement content. Now it consists of only raw an neutral information.

The locations and the restaurant are real. I'm not not trying to promote, I wanted to inform.

Other users can add their info. For example, a controversial stories like this:

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/man-loses-900g-award-failing-convince-judge-article-1.1773523 Ihor tverdomed (talk) 14:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've read the rules of Wikipedia. So, I would like to be honest and sincere as I really respect the rules and policies of Wikipedia website.

I, Ihor Tverdomed, work as a digital marketing manager and also an SEO manager for the company CitySEO.

I conduct a blog for Mangia catering company: https://mangia.nyc/blog/

The management of Mangia asked me whether it's possible and relevant to place an article about their company as they are already 40 years in business.

And, moreover, they found some small coffee-shops that were just established a few years ago and they have an article in Wikipedia.

I answered that "Yes, for sure, it's would a good idea because the business has an image and history, and the restaurant is pretty notable. Especially, considering their client portfolio".

They didn't pay me additionally, it was an asking for help. But I still have to disclose it.

Hence, I tried to exclude the promotional tone from the article and I think other people can contribute. Ihor tverdomed (talk) 14:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please use the template above to disclose your conflict as requested, namely the form: {{paid|user=Ihor tverdomed|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. Theroadislong (talk) 15:56, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw your request.

Added this information to my author page. Ihor tverdomed (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Advice[edit]

Here is some advice for you if you are working for clients that want Wikipedia articles.

A company isn't entitled to have a Wikipedia article just for existing. Wikipedia articles are about notable topics - those that are of interest to the world at large and over a period of time. In the case of companies, they must pass our notability criteria for companies.
To pass the notability criteria, the company must have already received significant coverage in multiple sources that are deemed to be reliable and independent of the company itself.
A reliable source is a source with an established reputation for fact-checking and editorial oversight. This heavily favours mainstream news organizations, academic press, and reputable publishers of newspapers, books and magazines. An independent source is one with no personal, political or financial interest in the company being written about.
Sources that are either written by the company or by third-parties paid to represent them are neither reliable nor independent. Therefore this invalidates sources such as press releases or interviews with company personnel.
If the company is notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article, then the article is not the company's property. It has no right of ownership or control over its content, and it cannot insist that it remain at a version it prefers. Any Wikipedia user acting in good faith - which we always assume unless proven otherwise - can edit any article at any time. Therefore, an article's content can change over time, perhaps substantially.
If there are disputes over content, then they should be calmly discussed on the article talk page, through a process of civil discussion and compromise. If this fails to resolve the disagreement, further dispute resolution measures are available.
You have an inherent conflict of interest when creating or editing articles for your clients. Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure policy requires you to visibly disclose the names of the clients who are paying you to edit Wikipedia, and which articles you are creating/editing for them.

--Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Understand everything!

Sorry, for placing a press release and an interview as the sources. Didn't know they don't comply with the rules.

So, I added the New York Times and the New York Post as the reliable references. Could that be enough?

Also, there are some other stories in the internet that may be really interesting about the restaurant.

Like this, for example:

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/man-loses-900g-award-failing-convince-judge-article-1.1773523

I just don't want to add it on my behalf. I think other users can complement an article with a similar information.

Thank you for your quick response, anyway! Ihor tverdomed (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That source is not available in the Uk so I can't advise, I doubt that anyone else is going to edit the draft. Theroadislong (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will try edit it later today. Ihor tverdomed (talk) 16:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, if I only knew what edits should I make to get it approved... I will check all the sources. Ihor tverdomed (talk) 16:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The New York Daily News is generally considered reliable. You can consult the list of frequently-discussed sources to see how the Wikipedia community has evaluated their reliability.

The New York Times is a reliable source, but I can't read it because it's behind a paywall. Paywalls don't disqualify sources, but it does make it more difficult for a user to verify the information unless they're a paid subscriber. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Made a visual to read... if it can help:

https://ibb.co/bXz9qKz

https://ibb.co/W0CHkN8

https://ibb.co/ydd58gS

I would love give my New York Times credentials, but I don't think it's appropriate here :( Ihor tverdomed (talk) 16:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wait! I have an article gift:

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/21/dining/food-stuff-off-the-menu.html?unlocked_article_code=jVYfktUtWOf31N5wvkwdYD5jRUnOodt__G3fMqKJ8UVNeqLBqXN60xuzoPH7fojV0AvYjwg1KJ3WkKzuLB1wevSzXmjx5IDY4TLTwI2Vv1gqY2-gxaJMzUyZUl-817O2MupLS7jEKCPWYKf6aq6_-KUaaLnyiblCPmWy-pM4NWYmSp8QhbD9uqyYNwKyVloKBUN3SE3mgI3OekD1-_ebgiVv4csSe84Yuj4v0EfOtuRbTXtzVCSzl6N_dI-IC4EWwuWwSnUqLetyY7MC1HpzbIIrcJLSosvi9abibDyIqFSUBhrCeBMiKFsKwSA1SiNje82TEKkK6gHtBMdAuALTFyE&smid=share-url

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/21/dining/the-hottest-lunch-in-new-york-the-sandwich.html?unlocked_article_code=5szPX3GdHuaLMJfSfQ7ARaX5-VwCbKDcXriaYZqcPLXoLttKWk5j15hEMeN0I--G2zhzowL9iuaVmgvALlEApYqZe_kE73MGvVYoqfQi9GCRftmxcfGoOFegDDWUZaCQLKFQc79lKdIUMQcrLlv1OqYab03evskJsdWl_DgyM31HJIG469uIT3lKnTtmZ22M3gCCh4uBjOmiBrCJAEqEnCyU3E_XdfsvD6ztegLXugvWQD4k_Fm8XxviBECbcs2ml47bL2M_23u4M-IGOCVXGH3pvwU32lRFe26nvalKu2v0-3kO6FegFSynxTLRhrqefkph6cYg7oDcUnhmQRaOpLlOLLwpumLoc1YTDFmOwE2hbt2z&smid=share-url Ihor tverdomed (talk) 16:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first link might be considered too brief of a mention to constitute significant coverage. Depending on what you use it for, it might or might not be good enough. The second link seems fine to me. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the first link says about who is the founder (Sasha Muniak), first location (West 56th Street) and fourth location (at 22 West 23rd Street)... also it tell that it was opened "more than 20 years ago".. considering that the article is dated on 2004 that means that Mangia restaurant was founded earlier than 1984 (1981 if to be precise, which is stated in another links) Ihor tverdomed (talk) 21:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, it might or might not be considered sufficient, depending on what text it is being used to verify.

This discussion really should move to Draft talk:Mangia (restaurant) so that it isn't split across two places. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:12, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sure.

I will reply to the Mangia Draft discussion.

Thank you! Ihor tverdomed (talk) 18:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mangia (restaurant) (October 8)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jamiebuba was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Mangia (restaurant) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Jamiebuba (talk) 19:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ihor tverdomed! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Jamiebuba (talk) 19:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]