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Cabinets, cabinets, cabinets

Hi. Happy new year, Impru20. Regarding the articles of cabinets I've just seen you have taken the split choice regarding the Sánchez's one. :). I've come to think about one thing. Would it be worth discussing to somewhat include if the member of the cabinet is an MP or not vis-à-vis the tabulated information? I mean, I think it is utterly redundant to include it as suffix in the individual biographies (it usually comes later in the infobox), but here it would actually make some sense (as an 'annotation', 'commentary', 'notes', whatever). What do you think (pros, cons...)? Cheers.--Asqueladd (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree on 2. While the idea could enhance the table the fact that the condition does not necessarily extend for the full mandate is probably the main drawback. If somewhere were to add a "notes" column (concept, which I don't particularly like) the MP thing could be included there in some form, anyways. While some may argue they also border WP:TRIVIA, prosopographical sections are another option as container for the MP information, but those sections are best founded upon some reliable source already doing the prosopography.--Asqueladd (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi again. Is there any provision in the manual of style addressing the suffixes in the infoboxes? I find the use of 'MP' to be quite inane in the infoboxes of articles such as Pedro Sánchez, Inés Arrimadas, Pablo Iglesias or Pablo Casado. In the end, even if it can be arguably useful for certain purposes (as suggested above these lines), English-language sources do not use it as suffix when it comes to address Spanish legislators and in this particular case, it is often redundant with content already included later in the infobox (not to say that it means nothing in Spanish, so it cannot possibly be used to state other thing than what it is already stated elsewhere using actual words)? Reckless IPs are actually going over and over the thing including the suffix (as it they thought the suffix had an intrinsic value of its own, rather than to serve a purpose). Might you be aware of what dark sorcery (or compelling argument based on sound Wikipedia policy) is being played in the articles of Angela Merkel, Jean-Luc Mélenchon or Matteo Salvini (all of them "MPs", IIRC) which I may transfer to some articles of Spanish legislators just to remove the cruft?--Asqueladd (talk) 21:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Spanish ministries

Hallo, Thanks for your work on Spanish ministries. When you create something which needs a disambiguator, like Ministry of Consumer Affairs (Spain), please remember to make sure the reader can find it easily by adding it to the disambiguation page at Ministry of Consumer Affairs. (I've done so).

Please also link the article to the existing Spanish one: go to the "Languages" link in the left-hand tool bar, click on "Add links", choose "es" and select the right item. Thanks. PamD 09:30, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Please explain

What do you mean by "specific formatting"? Why didn't you take part in the discussion, so that I could take your remarks into account? Kahlores (talk) 13:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Consistency for all the Commonwealth realm general elections

I've opened up discussions at 2019 Australian general election & 2020 New Zealand general election articles, to see if they'd agree to changing up their Subsequent Prime Minister to Prime Minister after election, as we now have for the Canadian & British general election articles. GoodDay (talk) 17:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

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Talk page clarification

Hi, I noticed your most recent comments on WP:ANI and just wanted to let you know that the notice for AN/I discussions is required to be put on an editor's talk page when you open a discussion, but that editor is permitted to remove the notice per WP:OWNTALK. Schazjmd (talk) 20:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

@Schazjmd: Hi! Yes, thanks for the remark. I know about it, but I was replying to that editor's behaviour of "forbidding me" to cast any comment on their talk page in general, including 3RR warnings on actual breaches of the rule or ANI notices (both of which have been deleted), somehow hinting that he is above such Wikipedia's policies. That these are actually left on their talk or removed is not of my concern, though I acknowledge it is not polite for a warning, which was casted as a favour to avoid a direct report, to be dubbed as "shit" without any meaningful reason. Impru20^talk 20:47, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Albert Rivera

Hey, yes, I'm glad we could clear up the misunderstanding. And good catch on the IP user's edit, as you say I didn't notice that. Cheers :) Μαρκος Δ 16:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

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Please fix your signature to match this edit

Please fix your signature to match this edit. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:27, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Ordinary People and Independents Persionalities

Colour shade @Impru20: Please stop the adding green colour to the party colour. On election and Council diagrams it was gray colour for few years. Colour is being corrected also on party page, because older party have same colour and this party is bicolour. --Klofáč (talk) 17:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Israeli election

Thanks for stepping in. Could you also remove the outdated turnout figure from the infobox? Cheers, Number 5 7 22:37, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I see you've already sorted it. Thanks again! Number 5 7 22:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

It might be worth leaving in the TOI link as it is the source for the seat allocation (which isn't on the CEC website yet). Number 5 7 22:39, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe something like "CEC (votes), Times of Israel (seats)" at the bottom of the table would work? Number 5 7 22:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Consistency in 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Spain

Hi Impru20, I've seen your edit comments asking for consistence because the data of the main graphic of 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Spain and the data of the graphic in Stadistics section were unequal, and I obviously agree with that. May I ask you... could the different timezones be the origin of that mistake? I updated the data of the graphic in Stadistics section every night at 00:00 CET, and I didn't on the other graph. Thanks, --Mcsmp (talk) 21:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

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List of prime minsters of United Kingdom

Thanks for your revert of the IP editor at List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom. I reverted exactly the same edit, but from a different IP address on 20th Feb. Need to keep an eye on this one. Robynthehode (talk) 10:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Opinion polling for the next Spanish general election

Quería saber el motivo por el cual has borrado la encuesta de OkDiario? Que pasa que solo pones encuestas de medios de la izquierda? Gracias Danielpm_87 (talk) 10:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

OpinionPolling

What is the name of the application you use to make moving average line diagrams like the ones you make and upload?--2A02:587:4D2F:AE00:C8B6:CDB9:79:8756 (talk) 20:06, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Prime ministers of spain FYI

I noted you undid my edit on 01/05/2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_prime_ministers_of_Spain&type=revision&diff=954250879&oldid=954250075 Just so you know, I wasn't changing any information. When I was browsing through the article, the lines were zig-zagging across the timeline. I found that by putting the regime changes and historical events in date order, the zig-zags returned to being lines.

After you reverted my edit, the zig-zags no longer appear so perhaps an issue with the code at the time. Hopefully it stays normal.

Humongous125 (talk) 14:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 pandemic in Spain

Hi, can you update the stats for the above article as they haven't been updated for like 3 days now. To the point that they're all outdated now

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.176.119.221 (talk) 15:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Must add data-sort-value to Norwegian poll entries

Hi. You've been adding new polls to the table here. That's great. However, you have to add a data-sort-value element to each entries so that when you sort the Lead column from highest to lowest, the values also get sorted depending on whether the Lead is Labour or Conservative. See earlier entries in the table to see what I'm talking about. It should look like this:

style="background:#87add7;color:#FFFFFF;" data-sort-value="-0.6"| 0.6

currently, your edits look like this

style="background:#87add7;color:#FFFFFF;" | 0.6

Thank you. --Spaastm (talk) 13:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Next United Kingdom general election

Hi Impru20; apologies if I'm being too forward by writing here, but could I ask you to reconsider your phrasing in your reply in the Talk:Next United Kingdom general election#Flag in Infobox should not be removed discussion, particularly Since they did not get a consensus for removing it, some users resorted to mutilating it by pieces instead, including (among other things) removing the flag claiming that the MOS backed them, despite this not having been an issue in the initial discussion about infoboxes? I would like to participate in the discussion but I'd feel more comfortable if the discussion were operating within the bounds of assuming good faith from other editors. You and the editor I believe you're referring to here are both experienced and respected users and I don't think accusing them of damaging the encyclopedia because they didn't get their way is fair, and nor can it help a productive conversation. Ralbegen (talk) 10:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

"Parties and candidates" en "2020 Galician regional election"

Hola. A efectos legales, Marea galeguista es la sucesora de la coalición En Marea, por lo que debe figurar en la segunda fila de la tabla, teniendo en cuenta que las candidaturas están dispuestas según el número de votos en las pasadas elecciones y no según los datos que proporcionan las encuestas. Yo ya lo he corregido en la versión en gallego de este artículo. En esta página solo me aparece la opción de "editar la fuente" y así no sé hacerlo. Te lo digo a ti porque me parece que ya diseñaste tú esta tabla. Gracias, un saludo!!--Ogaiago (talk) 10:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

New Democracy and PASOK

Both New Democracy's and PASOK's pages have been subject to edit warring for many times over the last year. And why am I supposed to provide sources when other people aren't? Don't get involved into a dispute if you're not concerned about it. Because if you are, I don't think that it's as hard for you as it is for me to get reliable sources that verify my arguement.

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Talk:Kiev

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First-past-the-post and Friend-of-the-planet-99 undo

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Slovak opinion polling pages

Dear Impru20, I would like to discuss reversion you've made on pages aimed for Opinion polling situation in Slovakia. The pages were collecting all relevant information for polling of political parties. These are not only polls themselves but also the situation which may change voters' preferences - change of the leader of party, constitutional crisis, parliamentary crisis, government crisis, the foundation of a new party (of former prime minister with strong support.) These could be seen in Australian page, British page, Czech page and few others. I would like to discuss a problem seen by you and maybe discuss possible standards of opinion polling pages.

Talking about the difference between 2024 and 2020 pages, this is going to be removed and I am planning to collect similar events as stated before and include them to 2020 page. The page 2024 page is talking about both government and opposition parties and aimed at the main events which dramatically change the situation of politics in Slovakia. The ″leadership changes of parties with 1%″ are stated with specific reasons - Most-Hid is former government and minority party regionally strong and SPOLU was until April polled together with PS and their coalition won the 2019 European Parliament elections.

As I said, I am open for any discussion with you and other wiki members.

Madeinslovakia (talk) 07:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. From your reaction I consider the biggest problem to be the objectivity of events to be written in opinion polls. In my opinion, leaderships changes are significant in any polling situation because in most Central and Eastern European countries are usually the leaders of their party the main criterium who to vote. Besides that, there is no background on Wikipedia for leader elections in Slovakia which could be used as link between opinion polling page and the event. For that reason, I consider presence of leader changes in opinion polling articles as an important part of them. As I've written in first comment, the selected leadership changes are related only to the main parties - PS, SPOLU, Most-Hid and SMK. All of these either won previous elections or are regionally strong minority parties. The foundation of a new party by former prime minister which immediately reached the support near 20% is in my point of view (and the sociologists' as well^[1]^[2]) the game changer.

Talking about government crisis in 2020 article (which was not written by me) or the ongoing theses scandal - these were and are the main topics discussed in Slovak media for long time strongly. However, if you think that these are not objective and not relevant for the article, it only shows your unfamiliarity with the actual situation in Slovak society and these may remain deleted. If you are familiar with it, let's work on 2020 in Slovakia together and you should focus on User:RI99 (Talk) whose 18 days old edit ″(or also Slovak: Pezinská Skládka)″ attacks, defends and depreciates the President Zuzana Čaputová because ″Pezinská Skládka″ is an insult and in English means ″Landfill or garbage dump in Pezinok″.

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Republicanism in Spain

About your edit in the wiki article "Republicanism in Spain", wher you removed the sequence of events in the polling, mentioning that "Opinion polling tables throughout Wikipedia are mostly without events, and definitely all those of Spanish opinion polling", I have to disagree on that action. The events that were placed on the poll help to better understand the rise of republicanism in Spain, as a fact of cause-consequence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.174.6.227 (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Cite web template

Hi Impru20,

Regarding this edit and others like it, I believe that the reference formatting used before the edits was correct, considering the examples here. I know that the automatic citation tool formats the website parameter the way you did it (putting the website url), but I believe this may be incorrect. Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 15:32, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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All-cause death charts

Please stop reverting and start a discussion. --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:37, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I started one at Talk:COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_Kingdom#All-cause_death_charts, but there could be a better place. --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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Question

[1]. Do you think that the dropping of the numeral can be considered, simply leaving Manuel García Prieto, Marquis of Alhucemas? After becoming Marquis of Alhucemas he was indeed very commonly referred as such but the numeral is cruft if we take usage into consideration. The inclusion of the numeral in the title seems like an attempt to be educational for the sake of being educational, bypassing usage and concision. Not even entering in the issue that his successors to the dukedom do not seem to enjoy notability of their own or that the "García Prieto/García-Prieto" surname has been lost in the dukedom line.--Asqueladd (talk) 12:10, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Kiev, User:Mzajac, and an anonymous IP

Did you notice this? --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I especially like his plea, "I am confused as I did not think that my clerking editing was in any way contentious". --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 18:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

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Dear Impru20 I feel you are being unreasonable in your repeated undoings of my recent lead for the 2020 New Zealand Election. By reverting back to the old lead, you have put back a lead written before the election, and subsequently out of date, and you have failed to discuss with me on the talk page. Please stop, friend. I understand your frustration, but I feel my lead has validation on the page I am editing. Aubernas (talk) 13:59, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Undid in Parliament of Andalusia

Hi Impru20. The infobox list of politic groups who are represented in the chamber of parliament must be chosen at the polls. If this lady has transferred to another party during the legislature, leaving the VOX party, she no longer represents VOX. But neither to the Falange, since it was not the party to which that lady was voted. They are called "Diputados No Adscritos" (Non-Attached Deputies). Geom (talk) 16:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Next Andalusian regional election

Hola, Impru20.

Como veo que también eres de España, prefiero escribirte en español en vez de en inglés. Sobre la modificación que he hecho en el artículo del título, te comento que hay 6 diputados de IU en vez de 5: uno de los diputados elegidos inicialmente por Podemos, José Luis Cano Palomino, dimitió y quien le seguía en la lista y tomó posesión poco después, Carmen Barranco García, es de Izquierda Unida.

Aprovecho este mensaje para preguntarte lo siguiente: ¿consideras necesario, como he hecho, explicar quiénes son esos 6 diputados? Estaba buscando información de las 3 diputadas elegidas por Podemos para que también quedara constancia.

Estamos en contacto, --Peejayem (talk) 15:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hola de nuevo, Impru.

Pues vaya torrija arrastro. Menos mal que te has dado cuenta de que se me había olvidado la diputada por Jaén. Confío en tu buen criterio (y hacemos un poco menos pesado el artículo) y te agradezco su vigilancia: lo veo más completo que el de la Wiki en español. Voy a tomar alguna nota y, en cuanto pueda, lo adapto.

Un saludo y muchas gracias, --Peejayem (talk) 16:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Opinion polling fixes

Hi, I was wondering if you could please make some fixes on some polling tables? On the page Leadership approval opinion polling for the next Senedd Cymru election it is stated to use dmy dates but the tables are incorrectly dated month and then day. I managed to change this around (see my edit in the history section for how) but it messed up the 'date to' section. I realised how to fix this but I have no programme or automated way to do it and I kept messing up somewhere along the process of individually fixing each date. I was wondering if you could please help fix the dates in the tables to dmy? Helper201 (talk) 21:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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First women MPs in Spain

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Question

Is there a problem with the electoral body/population ratios? It is sourced by authoritative sources and it is quite a relevant information.--Asqueladd (talk) 23:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

[1] ttps://domov.sme.sk/c/22436218/sociolog-pri-pellegriniho-strane-moze-zafungovat-efekt-snehovej-gule.html

[2] ttps://www.webnoviny.sk/aku-stranu-by-mal-pellegrini-zalozit-podla-politologa-len-so-socialnou-demokraciou-neuspeje/

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